Does encoding sounds make them distorted?
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ADCcoyote
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If you look on the net you can find out information. I don't know about the change in WT but I hear nothing in the FP 24 bit sounds. They sound clear to my ears.
If you look on the net it will tell you the higher the bit rate and sampling rate of a sound the better it will sound after encoding. Could be WT's issues?
Are you trying to copy them onto another brand of caller? If so your going to get white noise trying to copy them through a standard mic onto your computer? You could use goldwave or the such to bleed out some of it but probably won't get it all.
If you look on the net it will tell you the higher the bit rate and sampling rate of a sound the better it will sound after encoding. Could be WT's issues?
Are you trying to copy them onto another brand of caller? If so your going to get white noise trying to copy them through a standard mic onto your computer? You could use goldwave or the such to bleed out some of it but probably won't get it all.
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snowcamoman
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hammer07,
Sorry it took me so long. I answered this one on Huntmasters, but didn't catch it here. There's some good information on the Huntmasters post as well about Martz.
http://www.huntmastersbbs.com/cgi/cgi-ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000321;p=2
TA17rem,
Thanks for that smiley, those help answer questions.
Sorry it took me so long. I answered this one on Huntmasters, but didn't catch it here. There's some good information on the Huntmasters post as well about Martz.
http://www.huntmastersbbs.com/cgi/cgi-ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000321;p=2
TA17rem,
Thanks for that smiley, those help answer questions.
Actually you never did answer the question.. Why do the WT sounds and the F-P sounds sound like crap comeing out of his F-P caller compared to his WT caller ????????
Is'nt the F-P designed to play F-P sounds??? And is'nt the F-P suppose to be clearer and louder than the WT??????
Is'nt the F-P designed to play F-P sounds??? And is'nt the F-P suppose to be clearer and louder than the WT??????
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snowcamoman
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TA17rem,
Where in the question does the person say what caller they are playing the sounds out of Tim (TA17rem)? The question was strictly about the sounds themselves, was it not? Read the original post again and show me where it says what caller the guy is using? Yes Tim, the FoxPro is designed to play FoxPro's proprietary FXP files, just like the WT's are made to play their WTX files. Where in the advertising do you see data saying the FoxPro is "Clearer and Louder" than the WT? I searched for those statements in the product literature online (FoxPro, Allpredatorcalls) and couldn't find it. If you have that information, please post it for me. Thanks Tim, I appreciate your help.
Here you go hammer007.
I was wondering if you guys think all this encoding makes noises noisy?
Answer: Encoding should not diminish the quality of the sounds. Encoding basically keeps whatever the original sound quality is, just puts it in a format that the software on the e-caller will read. It prevents people from using the sounds in other callers or from editing them.
Seems my old WT non-encrypted sounds are much clearer then the new encoded WT sound and the FXP sounds.
Answer: The old WT non-encrypted sounds will be clearer than the new encoded WT sounds if you tried to record them from the caller. This is especially true in the KAS2030MS model, where there was a noticable white noise. The FXP sounds again would not be as clear as the original files (if you had them). Anytime there is a recording from a caller to computer or however it was done, there will be sound quality loss in that action. So having the original files is going to give you the best sound quality no matter what. I'm not exactly sure how you're comparing the clarity of the non-encrypted WT sounds to FXP sounds in terms of clarity, since they're different sounds. Let me know if you have more questions or PM me if you need any help.
Where in the question does the person say what caller they are playing the sounds out of Tim (TA17rem)? The question was strictly about the sounds themselves, was it not? Read the original post again and show me where it says what caller the guy is using? Yes Tim, the FoxPro is designed to play FoxPro's proprietary FXP files, just like the WT's are made to play their WTX files. Where in the advertising do you see data saying the FoxPro is "Clearer and Louder" than the WT? I searched for those statements in the product literature online (FoxPro, Allpredatorcalls) and couldn't find it. If you have that information, please post it for me. Thanks Tim, I appreciate your help.
Here you go hammer007.
I was wondering if you guys think all this encoding makes noises noisy?
Answer: Encoding should not diminish the quality of the sounds. Encoding basically keeps whatever the original sound quality is, just puts it in a format that the software on the e-caller will read. It prevents people from using the sounds in other callers or from editing them.
Seems my old WT non-encrypted sounds are much clearer then the new encoded WT sound and the FXP sounds.
Answer: The old WT non-encrypted sounds will be clearer than the new encoded WT sounds if you tried to record them from the caller. This is especially true in the KAS2030MS model, where there was a noticable white noise. The FXP sounds again would not be as clear as the original files (if you had them). Anytime there is a recording from a caller to computer or however it was done, there will be sound quality loss in that action. So having the original files is going to give you the best sound quality no matter what. I'm not exactly sure how you're comparing the clarity of the non-encrypted WT sounds to FXP sounds in terms of clarity, since they're different sounds. Let me know if you have more questions or PM me if you need any help.
Peter you will have to do a search but hammer007 bought a F-P awhile back and has loaded WT sounds into it along with the F-P sounds..So the problem is with his F-P..
Quote: Where in the advertising do you see data saying the FoxPro is "Clearer and Louder" than the WT? I searched for those statements in the product literature online (FoxPro, Allpredatorcalls) and couldn't find it
I'm just going by what the F-P members posted here and on a few other boards claimed. So then the F-P is'nt clearer or louder than the WT's??
Quote: Where in the advertising do you see data saying the FoxPro is "Clearer and Louder" than the WT? I searched for those statements in the product literature online (FoxPro, Allpredatorcalls) and couldn't find it
I'm just going by what the F-P members posted here and on a few other boards claimed. So then the F-P is'nt clearer or louder than the WT's??
snowcamoman
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You're assuming things Tim, that's all you're doing, thanks for adding nothing useful to this post except stirring the pot. My FoxPro is louder and clearer than the KAS2030MS model I tested. Is that the kind of information you were looking for? The KAS2030MS had white noise, as I've said before and as other customers have told me. If you have any other questions or want to discuss any rumors you read, just let me know.
ADCcoyote
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Tim so your saying FP sounds sound like crap on his FP caller???? How can that be? What model does he have? Could be part of the issue. Next would be how he got the WT sounds from the WT to the FP??? Depending on method used yep some aren't going to sound very good. The FP will play wav,mp3 and FXP sounds. The sound comming out will only be as good as the recording going into it. Pretty simple.
Tim have you heard a CS-24 or a fury with your own ears?? Be honest. Becuase if you had you would relize they are crystal clear even at max volume. Just the facts.
Tim have you heard a CS-24 or a fury with your own ears?? Be honest. Becuase if you had you would relize they are crystal clear even at max volume. Just the facts.
Quote:Tim have you heard a CS-24 or a fury with your own ears?? No i have not thats why i'm asking the question..
Hammeroo7 started this thread, maybe he could chime in with the F-P he has and how he loaded the sounds to begin with..
I do know he has the older WT that you can take sounds off of or put on and he has a new F-P just don't remember which one it was..
To my understanding i thought a F-P owner could load F-P sounds onto his F-P caller and not loose anything or get distorsions..from reading Hammers post he is claiming the older WT he has sounds better than the F-P playing f-p sounds..
P.S. I did a search and Hammer007 has a fury...
Hammeroo7 started this thread, maybe he could chime in with the F-P he has and how he loaded the sounds to begin with..
I do know he has the older WT that you can take sounds off of or put on and he has a new F-P just don't remember which one it was..
To my understanding i thought a F-P owner could load F-P sounds onto his F-P caller and not loose anything or get distorsions..from reading Hammers post he is claiming the older WT he has sounds better than the F-P playing f-p sounds..
P.S. I did a search and Hammer007 has a fury...
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snowcamoman
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You're just assuming what you want to try and badmouth FoxPro TA17rem, plain and simple. If you didn't have anything but a smiley face to help the guy, why even stick your nose in it? What was the smiley face supposed to do, answer the question?
ADCcoyote
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Tim, if he has an old WT you can just download the sounds off of then they wouldn't be encrypted in the first place? So where would the problem be?
Something not jiving here?
Yes FP owners can download sounds onto there callers with no loss of the recording what so ever.
If your worried about volume between the 2 brands then compair apples to apples and look at the testing done, it clearly shows the results of testing www.predatorwild.com
Where the WT could be tested it was, read and evaluate for yourself.
I would end with, if he is having problems with the FP and FP sounds he might be better off calling FP as they have the knowledge to work him through any issues he might be having.
Something not jiving here?
Yes FP owners can download sounds onto there callers with no loss of the recording what so ever.
If your worried about volume between the 2 brands then compair apples to apples and look at the testing done, it clearly shows the results of testing www.predatorwild.com
Where the WT could be tested it was, read and evaluate for yourself.
I would end with, if he is having problems with the FP and FP sounds he might be better off calling FP as they have the knowledge to work him through any issues he might be having.
The smiley was for the guy that owns both a WT and a F-P and made a honest opinion on what he heard from both of his callers. You on the other hand seem to sway youre opinions towards F-P because you use one and you don't like Bill or Wt so no-one is going to get a honest answer from you..
Question: Do you have an electronics degree of some sort to qualify you to do all this E-call testing or is it mostly based on just youre opinion....
You have also stated you only buy WT calls for there sounds. Is there a problem with the sounds that come with a F-P???
You also claimed that there maybe a problem with the newer WT and cold weather below -40. How would you know if you have'nt tested one yet and also do you know most of the WT'S are shipped and used in the lower 48 states so cold temps should'nt be a problem..
Question: Do you have an electronics degree of some sort to qualify you to do all this E-call testing or is it mostly based on just youre opinion....
You have also stated you only buy WT calls for there sounds. Is there a problem with the sounds that come with a F-P???
You also claimed that there maybe a problem with the newer WT and cold weather below -40. How would you know if you have'nt tested one yet and also do you know most of the WT'S are shipped and used in the lower 48 states so cold temps should'nt be a problem..
ADCcoyote
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Thanks tim for that open assesment. LOL. I'm betting you didn't read any of it did you?
If he would have used an older WT then you would have said, Aw come on this isn't the new unit with the newer circuitry in the end cap correct?
I wish you would have took the time to really read through the information.
I doubt that Gary is looking for any gig on a pro staff he list positives and negatives of ALL callers.
If you have the time maybe you could do an unbias testing of those models and let us know your outcome????
If you mean a fair shake as in the WT must win in all catagorys even though it can't, then I guess yep the WT will never get a "fair shake" and it will all be bias testing LOL. Except for that done by Bill himself and testing a 8AA unit with a smaller surface area speaker, against a unit that uses 15+ volts and a speaker 3 times the size as being un bias? LOL.
If he would have used an older WT then you would have said, Aw come on this isn't the new unit with the newer circuitry in the end cap correct?
I wish you would have took the time to really read through the information.
I doubt that Gary is looking for any gig on a pro staff he list positives and negatives of ALL callers.
If you have the time maybe you could do an unbias testing of those models and let us know your outcome????
If you mean a fair shake as in the WT must win in all catagorys even though it can't, then I guess yep the WT will never get a "fair shake" and it will all be bias testing LOL. Except for that done by Bill himself and testing a 8AA unit with a smaller surface area speaker, against a unit that uses 15+ volts and a speaker 3 times the size as being un bias? LOL.
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I read most of Gary's test when he posted it on the monster board, like i said you have to look at the source. I've met gary in person in AZ a few years ago, at the time he liked the WT sounds but hates Bill... If! Big if the tests are accurate then great... As for me i don't have any hate for any of the E- call makers and i did hear a F-P played once at the AZ camp out and i made my decision about 3 months later when i heard a WT caller played.