e-callers and cheating

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The Brothers B

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Friends,

Does anybody find using e-callers to be cheating? And when I say cheating, I mean cheating the person using it. I think if you ask most predator hunters they would say that it is more than the kill that they enjoy. Some of my fondest hunting memories have come, not in the theater of the outdoors, but in my small garage. On many occasion I have sat at my workbench convinced that I had just tuned a reed that could call the weariest coyote or turned cocobolo into a shape that would oblige the truest tone. Of course, it only takes one line from a book or one suggestion from an APC member and there I am again convinced my last call was worthless but my next one will be perfect. Despite my fanatical preparation, the yote can have consistent victories, content to sit in the tree line laughing. At this point my calls get put in the glove box and I start reworking my calling techniques with my trust Dan Thompson. For me hunting is problem solving and I get most of my enjoyment comes from trying new techniques or developing new ideas. After reading many of your posts, I don’t think I am alone. Anybody can buy an e-caller, a gun, set up in the nearest field and kill a coyote, without any feeling of accomplishment or triumph. In a day when everything is “e”, e-caller, e-mail, e-business, should hunting be given reprieve.


……Oh no I’m writing to a bunch of anonymous hunters, in a chat-room, typing on an e-machine; I am one of them. The “e” revolution has taken hold of me too…. Gotta Go.

BB
 
I don't have an E-Caller. I've only called in a 1/2 dozen dogs, since I started callin. It was very cool to say the least. I would buy a "remote" E-caller, if they come down in price. But for me personally, it wouldn't be as satisfying as hand calls. IMO, calling is 1/2 of "it". The other 1/2 is tagging'em LOL!
 
I can relate to what you are saying, but no, I don't feel cheated, nor do I feel like I'm cheating by using an e-caller.
I love working on and tuning rifles, handloading, experimenting in general, I have made my own knives for years, cast jigs, and weights, cast bullets, and shot wildcats. It's my character. I get enough fun out of experimenting with different sounds, setups and patterns. If I needed more, then I might build my own e-caller, or custom mix sounds, or something, you get the picture. At the present time I don't want to make calls, but am glad you enjoy it.
For the record, I don't mind having 3 fishfinders on a glass walleye boat either! It seems like I have had this same conversation, with someone about that. Each to his own.
Dogleg
 
First I know what you're saying but you can buy the best e-caller out there and still not call a coyote or cat. Some of the posts I've read would have you beleiving otherwise but it takes more than sound to fool em. When I got my first e-caller it was a JS512 and I had a lot of faith in that caller more so than the handcalls I had, even though I was fairly successful, I now "knew" my sounds were right because they were recorded by a proffesional. I called a bunch of critters with that JS but eventually realised I liked those handcalls and went back to them. I have had a preymaster and a foxpro since then both were sold shortly after purchase because they didn't do anything I couldn't do with handcalls, my numbers didn't go up and I felt the cheated part you're talking about. It's strictly up to the individual and how he wants to hunt, an e-caller will not make you a better hunter but it will provide you with good sounds you still have to figure the rest out yourself.
 
In a way the use of e-calls is overrated. There are a lot more things to consider when calling than just sounds. The main reason I went to a e-caller is to be able to set it out away from me and use a remote. This works a lot better in the kind of country I call in these days.
 
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I've hunted yotes for the last ten years.Im not a bit cheated using an E-caller.Its not just the sound its the hunter.If its easy for you to call up yotes with an e-caller come and show me what im doin wrong cause i work my a&s off tryin to call up these things and here lately ive been the happiest hunter in the world cause ive had good luck.Sounds to me i save a lot more breath than you.I just push a button(to get my sound).Save my breath for all the hootin and hollorin i do whene i kill 'em.
 
I don't think it's "cheating", because I don't see it as any tougher to do, other than requiring better movement discipline.

I love the satisfaction of using hand calls, especially howlers when I can get them talking trash back to me, but I don't think it's particularly tough to do, any more so than knowing how to properly use an e-caller is. Both have their challenges. Personally, I'm still more confident in my ability to get wise coyotes in with hand calls than I am anything I've got programmed on the foxpro.

I bought my foxpro for use on cats, and for use when I simply can't stand to blow on a mouth call anymore. Eight or so stands a day, for two weeks, it gets old in a hurry. But I still think I have better success with the hand calls, so I don't see electronic as a significant advantage personally.
 
There are no silly question .
But that’s real close to being one.

Do you feel custom calls are cheating?
why don’t we just suck on the back of are hand or lip squeak them all in.

how about good boots to keep your feet warm.
Why not moccasins. Are warm boots cheating


Look to be honest with you the harvest is a very very very big part in what I do.
for one I can see coyote , bobcat at the zoo and save money.
But out in the field its me and them. and how a hunter dose his thing is between him and them . the only cheating to me is if your braking the law. I am not the type that to go and look at the nice scenery or the pretty animals I did that and I am over it. I am out to hunt! And the game I am hunting I feel is one of the smartest predators IN MY WOODS .
If not the smartest thing out there so if a e-caller can help put his
face in the dirt am all for it. And one other thing that I like to do is.
I like to be successful . and a e caller is just another tool in my bag of tricks.

Just my 2 cents

George
PS,
I also feel most predator hunters like CALL THEM IN to knock the snot out of them. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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Do you ever feel that you are cheating by using a rifle instead of a slingshot? Do you ever feel that you are cheating by driving to your hunting location instead of walking? Do you ever feel that you are cheating by wearing camoflage instead of a three piece suit.
Nope.

Harvey7
 
Rem223PA,

Tough Guy Tuesday was yesterday, so relax for a minute. I'm just curious to see where people draw the line. If a hand-held device was available that could tell you how many coyotes where in a certain square mile and where they were would you use it? If you wanted to kill the max amount of yotes that sure would help.

Perhaps I will give a slingshot and a three piece suit a try.

BB
 
Man as soon as one of those devices come out that tell me how many and where, you can bet ur sweet behind I'd have one.
Cheatin? Naw.
If God would of given me the ears, eyes, nose and legs he gave a coyote, then yes I might consider it cheating. But as it stands now I figure the old coyote still has one up on me.
 
First, let me say that I’m not trying to put anybody down. In the end, we’re all hunters and should strongly support one another. But just among ourselves, we should be able to discuss our opinions without making enemies.

This reply contains some strong opinions which probably would not be well-received by many people on this forum. So if you are easily offended, it might be better if you didn't read any further.

The Brothers B, you started a topic that I’ve been wanting to start for a while now. I just didn’t have the guts to do it.

For me, using any kind of electronics in the hunting field is cheating. Cheating the animals I hunt, and cheating myself. If I was hungry and needed meat to survive, or if I had to pay my mortgage by selling coyote pelts, I would look at it differently. But I hunt for pure sport. To challenge myself, which I admit doesn’t take much.

First, there is a difference between something like wearing boots (as some previous reply mentioned), and using an e-caller. Wearing boots doesn’t take the place of a hunting skill, like using an e-caller does. Neither does driving a truck to your hunting land. I think the intent of this post was to question the use of devices that take the place of hunting skills.

I think some people are too kill-driven these days. For me, making some kills is important, but the occasional kill is just one of many things about predator hunting that I enjoy. Regardless of my recent success rate, I’m always anxious to get back in the woods. Since I hunt for sport, I try to maintain and improve what few skills I have, instead of looking for some machine or expensive equipment upgrade to help me out.

I admit, the hand calls which I use are hunting aids, but aside from making my own calls (which I intend to do some day), they are the most primitive and skillful way I know of calling predators. And I do use lip squeaks as soon as I spot a predator.

And I wear camo clothing and use Scent-Away soap. I admit, this is not exactly the way the Indians did it (if they hunted coyotes). But I also refuse to hunt with a scoped rifle (I hunt with a shotgun and won’t take a shot past 40 yards), so I think this in itself justifies the use of camo clothing (i.e. in this case the use of camo clothing does not take the place of a hunting skill).

Why do I use a shotgun instead of something more primitive like a bow? Because even the most skillful bow hunters sometimes miss the vital area and the animal suffers in agonizing pain for hours or days until it dies. For me, that is not what hunting is about. In saying this, I mean no offense to bow hunters. It’s just not something I’m willing to do.

I’m not putting any of you e-callers down. Everyone has to draw their own line somewhere. I’ve drawn mine, and it’s not changing. The day I feel I have to resort to using electronics in the hunting field in order to be successful or have fun, I’ll give it up altogether.

One day soon, I half-way expect to see a post in the Classified Ads section something like this:

Would like to buy hunting skills. Will pay top dollar. Just don’t have the time to learn them the old-fashioned way. Would also be willing to trade electronic caller, programmable game cameras, electronic game feeders, electronic decoys with remote control, GPS equipment, range finder, attractant scents, portable blind, treestand, night vision equipment, and a Deer-View mirror.
 
E-callers come in handy when hunting alone in open areas especially here out west. It diverts the coyote's attention away from you as it focuses on the sound instead of focusing on your face. You can get away with more movement and you often get better kill shot angles too.
 
Good Lord I really wish the new upgrade included spellcheck !!!
Yeah I admit , I can butcher a fan-nabble but Geeeessssshhh ! >>>>>>>>>>>>> /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rfm.


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There are no silly question .
But that’s real close to being one.

Do you feel custom calls are cheating?
why don’t we just suck on the back of are hand or lip squeak them all in.

how about good boots to keep your feet warm.
Why not moccasins. Are warm boots cheating


Look to be honest with you the harvest is a very very very big part in what I do.
for one I can see coyote , bobcat at the zoo and save money.
But out in the field its me and them. and how a hunter dose his thing is between him and them . the only cheating to me is if your braking the law. I am not the type that to go and look at the nice scenery or the pretty animals I did that and I am over it. I am out to hunt! And the game I am hunting I feel is one of the smartest predators IN MY WOODS .
If not the smartest thing out there so if a e-caller can help put his
face in the dirt am all for it. And one other thing that I like to do is.
I like to be successful . and a e caller is just another tool in my bag of tricks.

Just my 2 cents

George
PS,
I also feel most predator hunters like CALL THEM IN to knock the snot out of them. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

 
brother i think you were fishing. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

hogboy
it good to know shot guns don't wound them.
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

well if he or you think i cheat cause my e-caller
like you sad. that’s nice.
And I am shore you also think you would harvest coyote on every hunt if you used a
e-caller right /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
there just to easy right. i got you /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif


and yo Rat
what can I say but sorry for the miss spelling or any other grammar mistakes its something I don’t do well. sorry

but it was nice of you to point it out . now your post mad me feel stupid and you the big guy thanks. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

BUT THIS I KNOW

Brothers post shold of maybe been more like
WHY DO YOU USE E-CALLER OVER HAND CALLS
Much less abrasive. I think

But I am dumb you have shown this.so what do i know.

BROTHER tell the truth are we cheating.

thanks George

 
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Rem223PA,

Tough Guy Tuesday was yesterday


Never heard that one before. LOL /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

I agree with everything Hogboy said except the G.P.S part. I'd get lost in my own backyard without one. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

Seriously though, I don't think BB is trying to critisize guys that use e-callers, He's just talking about his own preferences.
 
you bring just your mouth calls to PA and after about 2 or 3 years of not seeing a dog your try anything.

they are tool in my bag that’s all no more no less!

I hunt full time and have a camp in NE P.A I will put you up for a week of calling and see just how you feel at the end of the week.

No tuff guy just faced .
I think you all are full of it!

I do even better then a free week of hunting how about 500 a dog

here's my link to just some from the last couple years i like to see yours
http://photobucket.com/albums/v47/G.ACKLEY/


see the smiles that what’s it all about that’s all

 
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REM223PA,

I never said that using an e-caller would produce a dog on every hunt.

And I'm sorry yall don't have many coyotes around where you live.

And I'm not putting you down. I just gave my opinion. I'm not trying to tell you what you should do. Just what I think I should do.

Good hunting to you, however you choose to do it.

hogboy
 
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