e-callers and cheating

CrossJ
Brad H
Lungbuster


Hey fellas, I was just trying to lighten things up in here a little bit. Honestly I have no opinion on this subject. I do know one thing, it seems lately we can hardly have a topic in here without argueing. This topic doesn't seem to have gotten to the point where the "hunting yotes with dogs" thread did, but I thought it might go there. I kind of realize that I did butt in, but ya know I really was just trying to ease things in here a lil. I really didn't enjoy seeing all the negative things in the post I previously mentioned plus that post (hunting yotes with dogs) ran off one of the nicest people I had met in this forum (Zapper223) He never said that specifically, but I know that was the reason. I kind of thought my post was somewhat humorous but I guess others didn't see it that way.


CrossJ, I don't think it is cheating.

BradH, "everybody is a comedian"

Lungbuster, "original?"
 
I really don't know why, but I feel compelled to give my 2 cents here.
I hunt with both mouth calls and a Foxpro. I figure I call in the same number of predators with my Primos mouth call as I do with my Foxpro. I've had times where my batteries go dead in my Foxpro and I simply call one in with my mouth call. In my opinion if a coyote is within hearing distance and he's in the mood to eat, which is 99% of the time, he's going to come as soon as you ring the dinner bell. It doesn't matter one bit whether it's electric or lung powered. I like using my mouth calls because they're light to carry and I think sound better than my e-caller ever can. I don't see a bit of advantage in an e-caller other than you can set it out away from you and it won't freeze up.
The biggest challenge to hunting coyotes is finding them and getting into position to call without being detected. PERIOD.. that's all there is to it. If you can do that you can call them in by pressing your butt cheeks tightly together and farting if you can get the volume up high enough. That's not cheating either.

Good hunting y'all..Coyote 6974
 
Interesting topic.

I use both e and traditional calls, too.

I gotta say I do like the e-caller at night because I can set it up a little bit away from my stand and I don't have the frigging owls swooping around...I hate those little buggers.

I also happily carry a GPS and it is an e-device, too. I don't find more effective navigation to be 'cheating'--just gets my butt back to the truck. (My wife would begin to worry after I was gone a few extra weeks...)

This all kind of reminds me of the debate over "scouting cameras" for deer hunting. I don't use one; I wouldn't buy one, but if another guys does, then who cares? Not me. That is his business. I've seen a lot of energy spent arguning over those things and I don't even know anybody that owns one.

This is all as long as it stays a debate within the hunting fraternity--once the government get involved in thereatening additional regulations is when I automatically side with the other hunters, even if the issue is a technique I don't use. That 'divide and conquer' strategy is one of the reasons why we lost bear baiting and hound hunting here in Washington state. We hunters should look out for the trappers, too, even if you don't trap. We are all in this together...

JMHO.
 
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Hey fellas, I was just trying to lighten things up in here a little bit.
Lungbuster, "original?"


UNOHOO

Yea, me too. Sorry if it din't come out that way.
I found your cheating comments to be quite humorous. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Of course the thread was controversial, it suggested that mouth callers are somehow more skilled and in tune with the hunt, because they create their sound with air blown over and thru a reed. Those using an E-call, are using a battery to power a unit that makes their sound. It's just a distress sound, one created with air power by the mouth caller, the other electronically. Neither one is better, harder or more pure to the sport, it's just noise.
A fanatical segment of mouth callers, sometimes take themselves far more serious, than their subject:)
 
People that use e-callers are cheaters! they are either lazy or they smoke to much to blow a call! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
I dont smoke, but I am lazy. But thats besides the point. A dead coyote is a dead coyote. Would I swerve to miss a coyote on the road so that I could pull over and shoot it? Not if I can get it with the truck on my first pass.
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Lance you sound allmost as bad as me! wait i am worse i smoke and im lazy. looks like i have you beat /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
I am glad that I didn’t get into how we shoot them when we are felling lazy .

It may have something to do with a 50 cal. BMG a bathroom window and a bait pile out at 500yd filled with the left over from a week of javelina and hog hunting. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
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I am glad that I didn’t get into how we shoot them when we are felling lazy .

It may have something to do with a 50 cal. BMG a bathroom window and a bait pile out at 500yd filled with the left over from a week of javelina and hog hunting. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif [
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REM223, That sounds like a lot more fun than burning a match /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Man this thread is about a 100 miles from the real world.

I really like when some fool tries to put his misguided crap
on folks who know what time it is.

Back in the mid 70s when I got serious about predator hunting I went from my tape player to MOUTH calls because they were hanging up way out there. Ha – I guess I was cheating because I went to a new call.

When I hunt I use what works for me. Some days the e- call stays in the truck & some days it don’t but my mouth calls NEVER stay in the truck because many times they are way more effective than the ole player. So maybe the hand call is the advantage that some consider cheating .

Yea- this shotgun – bow – rifle stuff fits right in with where did this crap come from. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
I will tell you where it comes from- from folks that sit behind their puter all day & don’t have a clue about the real woods. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Get real
 
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Then why does the most successful callers kill more coyotes?

Good hunting.

Q,

Q, the concept of success is relative and individual. Tyler and I would consider ourselves very succesful callers, yet we kill relatively few coyotes. We carry a gun only 7 weekends a year, on the 7 monthly clubhunts. We call with our cameras the remaining 45 weekends. I have no skins or bodyparts hanging on my walls as trophies. Video of predators jumping on me, video of behavior that is personally fascinating to me are my trophies. Video of my friends such as Quinton Wagoner, demonstrating their badass techniques for "slammin' the snot out of coyotes" are my trophies. Blood has nothing to do with our concept of success.
 
Its difrent for everyone,what is the measure of success.But,for me its the hunt and suspence of not knowing if your goin to get to squeeze on one or not.

Yah,i agree with the shotgun bullsh&t,being crap.I cant remember who said that about the only using the shotgun,but thats bull crap.Thats the oppinion ''of a on the verge tree hugger''!!!
 
99% of my coyotes been called in with mouth calls. I don't cheat and use an E-call,,,,, I used my old JS tape caller,,,none of this E stuff fer me !!!(I'm lookin at em though)
Shoot if I could afford stamps and all the time I would a used my old Remington typewriter to get this message across.

I like using hand calls,,,gives me something to do while waiting for a coyote. When I use my tape player, I enjoyed watching them look at it instead of me.

Hope I didn't pick on anybody, make anybody feel stupid, or otherwise upset any fellow hunters.(unless they really really needed it)
 
Wow...what a tread.....I guess the starter wins the Butkis award....isn't that the old football dude that used to be in the commercials for one of the beer companies, who would get two people arguing over "Great Taste" versus "Less Filling".

Meanwhile, back at the discussion, I figure it this way. I enjoy calling with mouth calls. I also enjoy using my E-caller.

We all pick our equipment from underware to assualt vehicle and everything in between.

Noboy has the need, or right, to condem anyone else for using anything that is legal. If Joe Blow wants to shoot darts or marbles at them and it's legal, it's up to him. I may want to inquire about marble velocity or group sizes and what brand of rubber band he(or she) uses. By the same time, if freddy Shmoe wants to use a 50 Cal B??, cool.... I may ask him if he ever finds body parts.

The cool thing about these forums, is that we can all share our toys and the results we have. We can all be a source of information and assistance to others who desire to chase the Wiley coyote.

Some people are beginners, while others are experts...true experts. Then there are others that are a danger to themselves and everyone around them.

At any rate I have learned a lot on the various forums I have been on and continue to search for all the knowledge I can gather. I will filter out the fact from fiction, reasonable advise from uneducated bull$hit and enjoy all the hunting stories along the way.

Ya'all have a good day...got to go reload some ammo...on my mechanical devise, with precission scales and the such...may take my mouth calls in the morning.... may take the e-caller....mostly I will take the time to enjoy the outdoors and give thanks to the creator for the opportuinity /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
 
Been away from the forum for a while. I see that some of my comments were mis-interpretted.

My comment about my choice to use a shotgun at short range should not have caused anybody any grief. I’m not trying to tell anybody here what they should do. I just don’t mind watching a coyote or bobcat spook and run away if I’m not certain I can kill them where they stand with one shot. Why should any of you have a problem with that?

I do wonder why some of you resort to name-calling when someone posts a different opinion than yours. Tree-hugger? No. Full of $hit? Maybe, but not because I make certain of a quick kill before I pull the trigger.

I think I clearly stated more than once that I wasn’t trying to put anybody down, or tell anybody what they should do. Only the insecure would then be offended and resort to name calling.

I said it once, and I’ll say it again. I support all hunters who restrain themselves to hunting legally. That includes people who use e-callers, and bow hunters. And I don’t mind hearing other people’s opinions.

Good hunting to everybody here, how ever you choose to do it. Just don’t get upset because I might choose to do it differently than you. We as a group have bigger enemies than each other.
 
Of course an E-caller is cheating!

Anything other than running your game down on foot and killing it with your hands and teeth is cheating!

We've been cheating since the first time a man picked up a stick or a rock to hunt with, and I for one will continue the long and proud tradition of cheating hunters from time immemorial using any (legal) means I can.
 
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