e-callers and cheating

I think "mouth calls" are just disgusting, why, if you get a yote in real close he could get a cold, or flu.
Besides how many of you "mouth call pigs" use a decent mouthwash? well? huh! I thought so!
don't wash your hands in the bathroom either do ya???
geeeez I knew there was sumthin I liked bout ya'll.
Carl
 
I like using mouth calls because when you kill a coyote with something that you have to practice at and work on that really is better than using a e-caller that does all of the work for you but I often find my self in a place were I need to kill a pack of coyotes for the sake of livestock so I use the e-caller it tends to be a quickest way to take out a pack.
 
Not to be picky...but Platte river coyte....um, a JS tape player IS an Ecaller? Electronic caller....the new ones are digital. There can be no difference in teh "cheating" factor between a tape player or a digital caller. Sorry to bring that up:)

I think cheating is anything that works better than what I am doing!


C
 
Using e-callers is cheating for sure. It gives the hunter too much of an advantage over the hand caller. It is just not fair. If we cannot afford an expensive e-caller how are we suppose to compete with those who have them? All I am asking is for you e-callers to leave a few coyotes for us that are stuck in the Stone Age using hand calls. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

Good hunting.

Q,
 
Really Q? You need a little advantage huh? WOW!

I feel sooooooo bad for you...lol....good hunting when you start my man!

C
 
Well, I don't smoke and never have. I have the beginnings of emphysema(probably due to paint fumes) and I just don't have the wind to use a wide air channel calls like the Dan Thompson howler. I bought one of the most highly recommeded e-callers made and used it all winter. I am currently 0/30 with it. I'm still trying to figure out the lack of success. Anyway, I will still use it, and if anyone thinks it's unfair that's only their opinion. When it comes to coyotes, a hunter needs every advantage he can get(camo, misting urine, shooting sticks, low light scope, long range firearm, rangefinder, binoculars, GPS, decoy,etc... and it's STILL very low odds on success. For coyote calling I say "Win if you can, lose if you must, but ALWAYS cheat!"(LOL)
 
Cheating is such a harsh word. I think that many took the original post wrong. I love to see predators coming to the call. My tune is well practiced and I feel a sense of accomplishment when I dupe a coyote into charging hard to the call. However, it can be argued that equal knowledge and skill is involved in using electronics to your advantage. Just having the sound away from your location isn’t all it is cracked up to be. I have learned that setting the call in the wrong place has disadvantages if the animal can approach and not expose himself. I have seen a coyote charge a FoxPro that would have winded a hand caller long before he came into the open. Electronics are just another tool to use. In my opinion the ONLY time a hunter should feel cheated for using an electronic call is when he is forced to sit home and read and type on Predator Masters because his call is in the shop.

I have a couple of goals next season. One is to get some pictures like I have seen Jay post with coyotes very near my new FoxPro. The other is to call one up using a blade of grass and kill him. That and everything in between, if I’m cheating so be it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Hooboy always somebody out there trying to get hunters fighting amongst themselves. I cheat because I use a compond bow or a scope on my varmint rig or because I use an ecaller and somebody else just uses a mouth blown call or just their voice.I use mouth calls most of the time and if the wind is blowing or I have a sore throat I will use the foxpro.JC I say every one to their own style, leave the poot stirring to those who don't have anything else to do
 
What the heck.......

I will say that to use an E-caller PROPERLY and to be successful CONSISTANTLY, you have to be MORE skilled than someone that goes out and blows on a simple hand call.

Hows that for throwing a little gas on the fire! hehehe
Steve
 
whoa,you better watch it your gettin close to shotgun range!
Just keep running and they wont shoot at you,if you get too close. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Hey guys,
I am not the jealous type. But I am driven.
I couldnt afford to buy an E-caller, and barely had enough money for a few hand calls. SO I MADE MY OWN!!! Hand calls and two electronic callers have been produced in my garage, all with the usefulness and reliability of comercially produced calls. An old car stereo and an 11$ powerhorn from RadioShack have brought in more critters than any call I have ever bought. The best part is that if hunting is slow, I can turn the tape player off and switch over to the AM and catch the WVU games! Dont call me a cheater unless you have no hands, or are too poor to kiss the back of your hand and produce a sound.
I adapted, I overcame, and I dont feel a bit like I cheated!

BANDIT
 
Hi Steve, interesting concept, e-callers have to be more skilled than hand-callers. I also believe your last sentence sums it up properly--- "a little gas". /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Tyler and I entered the Arizona Predator Calling championship last August and did not see a single e-caller on stage.
You missed a wonderful opportunity to display your skill and promote the use of electricity in calling. I'm certain you could have climbed onto that stage and pushed that button with the very best of them. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Here's the way I see it. You don't have to posses any special skill's to use a hand call or e-caller, but you won't do very well with either if you don't follow the basics of calling. My nine year old daughter can blow a 5 dollar plastic hand call well enough to call coyotes, anywhere. She however wouldn't be very successful in the woods though, because she douesn't possess the hunting skills it takes to use the sounds she emits to her advantage. It's just a sound regardless of where it comes from. I have called in hundreds of coyotes with hand calls, so I don't have to keep proving to myself my ability to do so. I chose to do so for years because of the weight of the e-callers. Today, with the smaller, lighter units out, ease of use is much better, so I choose to use them most of the time. CHEATING? not hardly. It you don't follow the same princples of calling with either you simply won't succeed very often. The device you use to emit the sound is the least important piece of the puzzle. One particular producer of e-callers says that by buying his call you will become an instant expert. Marketing B#$$%% S^^%$$#T. It's just a sound no matter where it comes from. E-callers have certain advantages in some set-ups and so do hand calls. Shotguns have the advantage over rifles in some circumstances. It's just a tool, and knowing how and when to use it can be very useful. Cheating? If you choose for what ever reason to limit yourself to a pimitive tool for your pleasure be my guest. I myself want the best tool to get the job done. This pleases me very much. You can have the best tools that money can buy but without the "know how" to use them they are worthless. If it floats your boat to use only hand calls be my guest, but don't be fooled into thinking your a better caller than someone that uses E-callers because of your self imposed standards. For me I feel just as satified to call in a wiley old coyote with an e-call as one of my hand made calls. I have heard all the arguments. Some say that you can call more coyotes with a hand call an others swear just the opposite is true. I say they are both right, and neither is cheating /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
Having a good time while out calling is what it's all about.

I probably mispelled a few words. Please forgive me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif.

Long time till Fall, Be cool /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif.

Byron
 
Rich,

If I loaded my hand call sounds on my e-call and sent it to you, could you enter me in the calling contest next year /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. I can ship the call to you cheaper than I can fly out. When it's my turn to call simply put my call on the stage and press the buttons /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif. Would that be cheating /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif?

Byron
 
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Byron, I would be delighted to play your sounds at the state championships. It should be good for a giggle. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Let's go one better. I'll enter you in the Nationals or the World. Send me your caller and your rifle. lol
 
How many coyotes show up on stage? Are they "sneakers" or do they come pounding in hard? Do they have to be "worked" thru the crowd and "coaxed" down the aisle?
 
Thanks Rich,

If I win a trophy they can E-MAIL it to me /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif.

Vic,

I always woundered how they called coyotes with all them people on stand at the calling contest. They must be sure nuff world champion callers /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif.

Byron
 
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From Byron "Here's the way I see it. You don't have to posses any special skill's to use a hand call or e-caller.."

Byron, you have never heard or seen championship Duck, Goose, Turkey, Elk, or Predator callers. The top callers in each of those fields are extremely skilled and talented. Ridiculing competition calling can be humorous, it is also revealing. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
 
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Rich, I have seen a few calling competitions and admire their skills. My point was you don't have to be a champion caller or possess those skills to effectively fool a coyote. I'm not spoofing the champion callers at all. Real dying rabbits would take a back seat to the sounds produced by some of these guys. I just don't think the coyotes are as picky as calling contest judges. I do however think you need to sound somewhat convincing to the coyotes, and thats not that tough to do with a little practice. I would probably get laughed off the stage with my calling, but the coyotes sure do like it.


If you read the sentence after the quote you used you will understand the context in which I wrote it. You can take the best calling championship winning wonder out to the woods and he ain't killing many coyotes without being able to apply those sounds with good hunting skills, tactics and techniques. I would rather have so-so sounds and good hunting skills than to be a great sounding caller with poor hunting skills.

Byron
 
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