eastern coyotes vs western coyotes

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Does anyone feel like these are almost complete different beast.. I watch utube clip of out west and you see dogs running in full speed(maybe its just the fact of vantage point for better videos??)..and I am sure wind is much more of a factor in the west...
(not saying it is easier to hunt out west by any means)

Here in North Georgia yes you do get that rarely for me anyways.. but I feel they usually come right to the edge and just sit and wait.. then either come 5 yrd closer then sit again or just try to run thru the woods to wind you or just leave.. unless you day scout for their trails across fields but they usually run hedge rolls and what not here.. Just what I have experienced so far.. I feel like bait piles in the future for me... to maybe try to get them farther out in the fields..

Not saying by any means I am 100% correct... would just like to hear others opinion on this topic....
 
I just know the "southern plains" coyote, and in my experience he is at times any or all of the things you mention above.
 
I find that western coyotes are much smarter and harder to hunt than their eastern cousins and therefore western callers must be at the top of their game. It may look easy on video, but that is simply because the western hunter is more of an expert on all things coyote.

If he can see the coyote from several hundred or even thousands of yards away, rest assured that the coyote can also see him.

The Kamikazi coyote comes charging in because the calling is so realistic, he believes it's his momma calling him for dinner. Or he may simply be a huge fan of the western coyote caller, and can't wait to see this legend perform his magic.

Unfortunately it will be a short performance as the western caller is also a long range killing machine. Shots out to2 miles are not uncommon. That is actually the reason many western callers load their shells with some salt. It helps preserve the hide until the long walk is made.

So while I do not think the eastern coyote is a different beast than the western, [and I hesitate to even call the eastern coyote a "beast"], I do think the western coyote could be on steroids and Omega 3, as they are bigger, smarter, tougher and much better looking than their eastern cousins.

Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted By: RedfrogI find that western coyotes are much smarter and harder to hunt than their eastern cousins and therefore western callers must be at the top of their game. It may look easy on video, but that is simply because the western hunter is more of an expert on all things coyote.

If he can see the coyote from several hundred or even thousands of yards away, rest assured that the coyote can also see him

Eh... you may be a better caller/hunter whatever you want to call it. Maybe I shouldn't say you're wrong. But being able to see a coyote is the hardest part hunting eastern coyotes. No telling how many eastern hunters go out make 20 stands not kill a single coyote, but actually call in 19 coyotes and never know. Atleast hunting out west you CAN see what your shooting at. A lot of eastern coyote/predator hunters use shotguns. Why? I'm sure you know. But I'll elaborate for those who dont. Because they come in so close and don't ever stop moving. Anybody can learn how to shoot out to "2 miles" although I think that's complete bs and unethical as [beeep]. But I'm just hoping you are joking. I think the eastern caller has to be a better shooter/caller and a downright better hunter in general. When an eastern hunters sees a coyote, he can't hesitate even for a second. As soon as a shot opportunity opens they have to take it, a western hunter can say "oh I don't feel like a 2 mile shot today, I'll just wait till he gets within a mile." But hey whatever, opinions are like... well you know.
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Have a good day.

In honesty though I shouldn't argue, everything I say will be shut down within the first 5 people to see my post. Mainly because 90% of Predator hunters on this site hunt where? Drum roll please! Out west!

Ps. The eastern coyote hunter doesn't have very much info to base their strategy off of, why? Because it is so difficult to just pick up calling and learn how to and people get discouraged rather quickly. I've seen people on this very site talk about killing 10+ coyotes on one single stand out west, the eastern coyote is way to smart to walk in after seeing 9 of his cousins killed.
 
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I have to agree with JJT, same animal different conditions. Here in the PNW we have much the same thing only the opposite. Eastern coyotes are easier to hunt than the western coastal coyotes. Coyotes don't change in 100 miles but terrain does, from high desert to costal rainfores. In the forest they are harder to spot and can use the cover to approach the caller. Even in a clear cut they will circle the clear cut in the cover to the decoy or caller only the dumbest ones will cut across it. On the east side of the state you can see them coming a long way off.

I'm fine it much easier to call coyotes in the cover than try and call them out of it.
 
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I have zero experience hunting in the west or even mid west but from the stories, pictures, and videos I've saw, I would say hunting in the east is definitely tougher. Not to say that's it's easy anywhere, but I say the east is tougher. Visibility is nothing like the west. I would also bet the number of multiples called to a stand is less in the east. Also in my experience the eastern coyote is either coming or going most of the time. They don't hang around much and when they do it seems likes it way off (if you can see them) when they've been coming in, got suspicious, and stop to observe.
 
Originally Posted By: JJTAlwaysWishing I've seen people on this very site talk about killing 10+ coyotes on one single stand out west, the eastern coyote is way to smart to walk in after seeing 9 of his cousins killed.

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i would like to read those stories on this very site. where are they?
 
Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnotOriginally Posted By: JJTAlwaysWishing I've seen people on this very site talk about killing 10+ coyotes on one single stand out west, the eastern coyote is way to smart to walk in after seeing 9 of his cousins killed.

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i would like to read those stories on this very site. where are they? http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=763687 Enjoy the read, let me know how it goes.
 
Do you not feel food scarcity plays a part in how they charge more out west.. here in north Ga I see 20-30 field mice on any given night.. and also population density.. seem to make them alot more sly around here...

and saying the coyote can you also is kinda meh since most western hunters use e callers with decoys the yote isnt looking up on the hill..

I feel like a king if I get 2 in one night in Georgia... I alot of time they will also sit just far back enough in the woods where u could never get a clean shot without a shotgun and they stay atleast 100 yrds back... much less finding set where you have any room to shoot..

Feel free to call me a dumb arse just my opinion
 
Originally Posted By: jayatnightDo you not feel food scarcity plays a part in how they charge more out west.. here in north Ga I see 20-30 field mice on any given night.. and also population density.. seem to make them alot more sly around here...

and saying the coyote can you also is kinda meh since most western hunters use e callers with decoys the yote isnt looking up on the hill..

I feel like a king if I get 2 in one night in Georgia... I alot of time they will also sit just far back enough in the woods where u could never get a clean shot without a shotgun and they stay atleast 100 yrds back... much less finding set where you have any room to shoot..

Feel free to call me a dumb arse just my opinion There was a post over in the "Calling In the east" thread a couple months back about how many stands a normal eastern hunter goes without seeing a coyote and the average was atleast 30...
 
[/quote] There was a post over in the "Calling In the east" thread a couple months back about how many stands a normal eastern hunter goes without seeing a coyote and the average was atleast 30... [/quote]

Wow.. Then my luck isnt that bad lol... I avg atleast 1:10 ratio well I have been..
 
Notice something, a lot of western hunters eventually start using a suppressor. Those who don't have one want one. Why? Personally I think they challenge their selves because it so easy. Instead of seeing how many they can kill in a day, they want to see how many they can kill on just one stand.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there has been people who have killed doubles and triples and more on one stand in the east, but I bet they were like... [beeep].
 
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Originally Posted By: JJTAlwaysWishingOriginally Posted By: SlickerThanSnotOriginally Posted By: JJTAlwaysWishing I've seen people on this very site talk about killing 10+ coyotes on one single stand out west, the eastern coyote is way to smart to walk in after seeing 9 of his cousins killed.

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i would like to read those stories on this very site. where are they? http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=763687 Enjoy the read, let me know how it goes.

here is how it went.

not a single person in those 2 pages of posts said they killed 10 coyotes on one stand. not a one.

maybe work on you reading comprehension?
 
I think the central U.S. coyote is by far the most demanding! I mean, if you only walk a 100 yds. from the truck you might only get 2 or 3 to show up on every stand, whereas, the farther you walk the more will come running. Then you have to make the decision of which one to kill first. Then after the shot sometimes the others will leave before you get another shot. Usually when they leave they are just going to get reinforcements for the fight. Then you have to choose which ones to shoot out of a large bunch. All these split second decisions can be mind boggling. Then after the war is over you have to make multiple trips to drag all the stinking things out. How easy it would be to call ONE in every few stands and shoot it. Coyotes produce 3 litters a year here so you can't take any time off or you'd be overrun. It's just exhausting!



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