eastern coyotes vs western coyotes

they just dont come in like that here... you get triples coming in some time 5 max.. but its rare.... even [beeep] they are out there... they send one as a scout and 4 will sit in the woods watching... its quite interesting really..
 
Hey Redfrog thanks for the advice, I'm gonna start loading my bullets with salt as the last one I shot was already stinking when I finally got to him. Perty hard to find when their a mile away too. Out west here they really get big too, 50-60#'s aint nothin. Heck I had one of them 60 pounders come in the other day so quick and fast that he ate my Fox pro Spitfire. Poor old thing was still working too. Any way the crazy thing is, he swallode it whole and every time he farts it sounds like a wounded rabbit and all the other coyotes wont leave him alone! Guess when they are so big they have no fear and just come in like they own the place. Back east they are so much smaller they have to be smart and send in scouts while the rest lie in wait for the signal to come on in. Guess the eastern coyote hunter may have to try baiting them in. I heard they really like Italian food.
 
I shot an Eastern coyote the other day before he died he puked up three Western coyotes guess he ran out west for lunch Eastern coyotes aren't only big they're pretty dang fast
 
Originally Posted By: whyI shot an Eastern coyote the other day before he died he puked up three Western coyotes guess he ran out west for lunch Eastern coyotes aren't only big they're pretty dang fast +1
 
I started as a central Texas hunter and can say between Texas Hill Country and the little colorado hunting I have done, the eastern dogs are by a very far margin harder to hunt. I have killed dogs in Md,pa,ny,VA and west va now and for every one eastern dog I have killed I could easily estimate I could have killed 20-30 out west. That's just my experience. I think eastern hunters have to hunt much harder as well due to the number differences.
 
Originally Posted By: PowerfisherSmell that? That is the smell of a lot of BS in this thread....Just sayin...

Yeah there is, it's getting deep
 
Eastern coyotes...Harder to kill in numbers. Yes....Harder to kill. No

Stop using western methods to kill eastern coyotes. It's been said they won't venture into the open and only come to the edge of the brush or timber. Also,they run downwind when the situation is to their liking. Use that to your advantage.

Say you have a north wind that is blowing into the brush you suspect holds a coyote or two. Put the speaker 50 or 60 yards out in the open area pointed directly downwind. You and a partner walk directly downwind and 15 to 20 yards inside the bush line. You sit back to back. One quartering to the east and the other to the west. Coyotes approach just inside the brush line directly to your location.

Just a thought.
 
My post was bs? I welcome any and all other hunters here to md and I cam almost promise you that you will walk away empty handed more times than not
 
The purpose of this post was never to say which was smarter or easier to hunt.. Just peoples opinion on how they are different... but Maybe I should have labeled the title alil better lol
 

Well, I'm not here to BS about anything, nor to say that anyone else is wrong etc. etc. I will just relay my experiences and let it go at that.

I live in the east and have called quite a bit. I used to take a few coyotes here and there, very few but I had a great time trying. I actually took more bobcats than I did coyotes. That was before more and more hunters were out blowing on predator calls. We didn't / don't have a large number of coyotes in the first place, and the ones we do have are difficult to call, moreso now than in the past.

I have hunted in New Mexico and Arizona too, and all I can say is that it was refreshing to see the sheer numbers of coyotes out there. Driving from Flagstaff for about an hour along the 4-lane, we counted 8 dead coyotes in the road. It's been years since I have seen 8 coyotes here. As well, those western coyotes responded to the call so often on stands that it was just hard to believe. Easier to call? Maybe. But maybe the numbers made the difference. Also, the terrain was more conducive to calling with better visibility whereas here in the mountains the land is difficult at best to call. Deep hollows, brushy hillsides, small private-owned tracks of land etc. make for difficult hunting. I often wonder how many coyotes I have actually called here that I have never seen. I have to drive distances inbetween stands too in order to hunt basically small, heavily-wooded areas with little visibility. I would love another western coyote hunt. Hunting them here doesn't allow for much action.

There are more factors involved in coyote hunting in the east vs west than you might realize if you have never hunted both. Some areas of the east are more productive than others. I'm sure there are differences in areas in the west too, with some being easier to hunt and others not so much. I have a good friend (PM member) who does quite a bit of calling in the east. He has access to several properties of large expanses of land, mainly open game-rich land and has an unbelievable about of coyotes. I am constantly amazed at the numbers of coyotes he has there compared to where I live. We live in bordering states. His success rates are really good, actually better than anyone else I know in the east and will rival some in the west.

Not all hunting places are created equal, and calling coyotes from one location to another can be distinctly different, even within the same region. Hunting where I live is very difficult to say the least. That doesn't necessarily mean that our coyotes are harder to call than those in the west, but there are unique circumstances where I live that creates very challenging hunting, not to mention the difference in coyote density.

In my opinion, terrain and coyote numbers makes all the difference in success or failure, considering that a guy's tactics and calling ability are the same in both areas. Below are some examples of differences in terrain from one place to another. I mean, you can call an area all you want and have no success if there isn't a coyote within hearing range, and then you have to consider how much effort a coyote might have to take to get to the call as well as other factors. And then, if one does respond, the question is, will he wind you and you may never know he was there.

This is the area I have to hunt. Easy to hunt? Heck no.








View from my family farm.





A littler easier to see with a snow on the ground, but still deep hollows, trees, mountain laurel etc.








Called a black coyote up this trail one time. Sad to say it got away from me. Once he jumped
out of the path, my opportunity was gone.










It can be done here, but it's not easy. This is the most open area I have to hunt, but the
small field is at the upper end of the thick stuff. I called this coyote up out of the hollow.






This coyote was trotting away in the thickness behind me when I shot. Taking a shot was
difficult in all those sapplings and trees. If not for the snow on the hillside behind me
(where he first appeared), I may never have known he was there.





This place is two counties over from me. Strikingly different landscape.






This place is in south Georgia. Imagine a coyote circling down-wind in this area. How easy
would that be to kill one? You be the judge.






Hunting New Mexico with Tony Tebbe. We actually spotted this coyote via binoculars from
several hundred yards away as he was hanging around a cow that had just given birth.
We put a stalk on it by slipping into a low depression and eased up to a sand dune where
I took the shot. That one was stalked and not called. I could not have accomplished that here
due to terrain.






Arizona



 
Originally Posted By: reaper4My post was bs? I welcome any and all other hunters here to md and I cam almost promise you that you will walk away empty handed more times than not

No, your post was one of the few that wasn't full of BS or sarcasm.
 
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Yeah I haven't been posting much but I thought the differences were fairly common knowledge I didn't mean to come off arogant
 
My post was complete BS. Read the sentence at the bottom! It's summer on PM and a little BS may be needed to lighten the mood around here. Case in point!
 
I am with 6mm06 my country and very small parcels of land... most small chicken farms I hunt.. then 2 counties over has nice hay fields... but still so much wooden area and high hedge rolls....

I feel the only way I see them.. is if I day scout looking for path opening from the woods or scat on trails...
 
I think some guys are just having fun. The long time members have seen these threads before...

My thought is that it is the same animal, coyote is a coyote! But, with slight difference in size and DNA makeup. For instance, SW vs. NE, The SW coyote is more of a pure coyote and smaller in build. Some of the NE coyote's have a little wolf and dog DNA, but not all. On average the NE coyote is about 10 lbs larger maybe more. A 60 lb coyote is not uncommon in Maine. I also think that habitat, environment, and coyote density have an effect on their behavior as well.

ETA: I do not think the small amount of wolf DNA in some coyotes has any effect at all! I mean they do not act like wolves but instead act just like any other coyote...
 
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Originally Posted By: flintrockMy post was complete BS. Read the sentence at the bottom! It's summer on PM and a little BS may be needed to lighten the mood around here. Case in point!

And there you have it. Not everything n the 'net needs to be an argument, or someone getting their feelers hurt, or an urination contest. Chillax guys, just having some fun.

Sometimes calling coyotes is easy some times not so much. Every place is different and 6mm06 shows you that coyotes can be killed anywhere with enough skill and practice.

I've called in the east, west, and south west as well as Africa. They are all coyotes [even the ones the call jackal]. A lot of the characteristics are the same.

Thick cover does n't mean they can't be called, it means change your tactics.
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This pic was taken from the cover 100yds away. Far side of the field and surrounding area is thick cover. If I were to set up just inside the tree line, chances are I'd call coyotes and never see them as they move along the edge of the cover.
When you walk through the cover, or along the edge, where are the game trails. Usually ten feet inside the bush. Animals do not run helter skelter through the bush. They travel specific routes. That's how those trails get worn down.
Why would a coyote leave the cover to cross that open field? He likely won't.BUT if you are set up in the open like the pic, and you happen to have your partner set up back to back. You can see the coyotes as they move along the border of the bush.
Western coyotes like to travel fencelines. Use this to your advantage.

In Africa I was told jackal will not come to a call during the day. No one told the jackal. He's just a smaller coyote with a fancy coat.

His behavior is similar to a North American coyote when he responds to the call.

So Coonass or Yankee, eastern redneck or cowboy, hillbilly or hippie, fire up the BBQ and crack a beer or two and we are the same but different. Same with the coyotes.
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