FOXPRO's Snow Crow Pro--So you want loud??
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I do not own a fox pro yet(no funds)but from what i can see they have done what a good business should do.(listen to their costomers).Who cares who came out with what first or said what.If they have been around for ten years in this small of a market they are doing something right.If you choose to pick another company that is fine and your choise no one is twisting your arm on this.Word of mouth is very powerful advertisement and their name has reached everywhere.Instead of an open attack on them pm them in private.Nobody wants to listen to whiners so go grab your bottle a sucky and go cry someplace else.The rest of the adults on this forum dont want to hear it.PimC
In the meantime, some of ya'll are looking like sniveling, whining babies.
I have to say that this is the last time I will post here. I'm off to Predator Managers, I do not know you runs it or much else about it but it looks like a good site to follow. I have been following this site since you started. I recently decided to get online and make a few posts. For one, I think Fox Pro should get rid of there website. They seem to have everything they want here. Besides this site is much more user friendly then there own. Secondly if you read between the lines of Mike Dillon's posts you will see all of the sarcasm that you need. The way he capitalizes certain words and responds to anything that he can in order to make it sound like Fox Pro is the absolute best and only product to buy. If that was so then there would be no other callers on the market. They would just bow down and not even try. I really think Fox Pro, WT, and Minaska have good products. I also believe that competition is good. Look at what Fox pro has had to do just to keep up. I think it is the first time that I've seen so many new products released from Fox Pro in such a short time. The third thing that I will say is that this has been going on for some time. I think you might have to ask yourselves why this might be happening. It's easy to say that people are just trying to attack Fox Pro because they have been around so long and that they do so in order to advance themselves in the market. But I really think there is something to this. Some people have voiced there opinion and have been chastised for it. I think it might be time for you guys at Predator Masters to honestly evaluate the situation before a lot more people get tired and leave. This is just my opinion and I'm not a pro staffer for any of these manufactuers. I'm just a working stiff you finds this hobby very exciting and fun.
I have to say that this is the last time I will post here. I'm off to Predator Managers, I do not know you runs it or much else about it but it looks like a good site to follow. I have been following this site since you started. I recently decided to get online and make a few posts. For one, I think Fox Pro should get rid of there website. They seem to have everything they want here. Besides this site is much more user friendly then there own. Secondly if you read between the lines of Mike Dillon's posts you will see all of the sarcasm that you need. The way he capitalizes certain words and responds to anything that he can in order to make it sound like Fox Pro is the absolute best and only product to buy. If that was so then there would be no other callers on the market. They would just bow down and not even try. I really think Fox Pro, WT, and Minaska have good products. I also believe that competition is good. Look at what Fox pro has had to do just to keep up. I think it is the first time that I've seen so many new products released from Fox Pro in such a short time. The third thing that I will say is that this has been going on for some time. I think you might have to ask yourselves why this might be happening. It's easy to say that people are just trying to attack Fox Pro because they have been around so long and that they do so in order to advance themselves in the market. But I really think there is something to this. Some people have voiced there opinion and have been chastised for it. I think it might be time for you guys at Predator Masters to honestly evaluate the situation before a lot more people get tired and leave. This is just my opinion and I'm not a pro staffer for any of these manufactuers. I'm just a working stiff you finds this hobby very exciting and fun.
Ott, BrianD, Bandit & Dogleg;
None of you have contributed anything to this thread. It appears that your sole intention is to cause turmoil. From here on out, take it to email or PM, only !
Crapshoot and I don't want to start editing and deleting posts. Come on, lighten up and make it easier on us, okay?
None of you have contributed anything to this thread. It appears that your sole intention is to cause turmoil. From here on out, take it to email or PM, only !
Crapshoot and I don't want to start editing and deleting posts. Come on, lighten up and make it easier on us, okay?
bearmanric
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Well i'm sorta a bad boy for owning a Foxpro that's okay. i know it wont take long to get fixed if i have a problem. cant wait to get the Fx3. going to give the cougar's Heck with it thank's Mike your doing fine the show must go on. Rick
STUMP49
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Byron South
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Bush did it!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Oh!!! sorry wrong thread. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Never mind. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
Go hunting. Be happy. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Byron
Oh!!! sorry wrong thread. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
Never mind. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
Go hunting. Be happy. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Byron
STUMP49
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Byron
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif that guy Bush has been taking the heat for alot of things lately might as well get involved with this also.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif..LOL........stump
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif that guy Bush has been taking the heat for alot of things lately might as well get involved with this also.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif..LOL........stump
I've got a personal observation about the way that this thread is going. As a matter of fact, a blind man can see who/what is behind the FoxPro bashing. I won't mention any name, because it really isn't necessary to do so. It's the same old crew, singing the same old familiar song, spreading the same old s***. One more thing, I can see it now; incoming mail. Again. MI VHNTR
GS
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Boy, does this bring back memories of frustration. I have been in the sights of some myself. I am tempted to say to Mike "Welcome to the top of the pile, this comes with the turf".
Just to give you a perspective on some of the comments regarding the status of one company over another, I think I am in a fairly good position to give you a perspective of the market "leaders"...at least as I see it. That term is relative in many ways. I tend to divide it up based on price range. Others may want to use total dollar sales, others features, others unit sales...all are correct to some degree...depending on perspective.
The lower priced units may be dominated by one company that can not even come close to the companies in higher price ranges when it comes to sales dollars or vice versa. We( Johnny Stewart Game Calls) dominated both catagories for many years because we provided a unit affordable to the average Joe and were able to market successfully nationally in a way that turned high unit sales also.
FP happens to have used the same pricing strategy in their early days combined with small and lightweight features. They moved up to affordable remotes and established a good hold there and now will give those in the higher priced units a run for their money. My hats off to them for their success.
Who is a leader in the field now? That is matter of perspective. I can tell you from my own perspective that I use these URL's to try and inform the folks at HS as to trends in the industry and who they should watch the most. I will not name other companies who are not on our radar screen so as not to be accused of slamming our competition, but I will say that FP has our attention....big time.
Is FP the leader in the field? If you use total dollars, probably not because of the marketing Juggernaut that HS is, even though they sell a unit in a lower price range. Is FP a leader in the Remote Caller catagory? Probably. I have no way of being sure because I do not have access to that info in their company or others. But if I were a betting man I would say they are....for now. That is just a gut feeling having been around this industry for a long time.
I personally do not object to one company basking in the limelight on these boards because we have been there and it was because it was deserved. I do have concerns about the ability of some to pad the boards with posts for or against, that may be plants to promote or tear down. I am not saying that is the case here though because I just am not close enough to it to know. It is a flaw in the medium I am afraid is hard to detect and do anything about. That is one of the main reasons I dropped off the boards to a great degree for years.
I could be telling the truth in the most diplomatic way I could and it still was percieved as sour grapes. Some of my competitors and their following could misrepresent, fabricate and out right lie to the viewing public and there was no way to rebut without looking like a whiner. It is a lose lose proposition for manufacturers even if they are the most decent people in the world. I am not perfect but I have never had to slam my competition to be successful.
I have respect for those boards that try to control it to the best of their abilities because there have been some that did not.
My suggestion.....if there is a thread that you object to...don't open it after you realize where it is going. It is as simple as that.
In an effort to throw in some humor...the subject line of one of my recent emails to the good folks at HS was "we are eating Fox Pro's dust". The URL I provided in my email was the one for this very thread when it was a decent thread. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Don't get a fat head over that one Mike. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Just to give you a perspective on some of the comments regarding the status of one company over another, I think I am in a fairly good position to give you a perspective of the market "leaders"...at least as I see it. That term is relative in many ways. I tend to divide it up based on price range. Others may want to use total dollar sales, others features, others unit sales...all are correct to some degree...depending on perspective.
The lower priced units may be dominated by one company that can not even come close to the companies in higher price ranges when it comes to sales dollars or vice versa. We( Johnny Stewart Game Calls) dominated both catagories for many years because we provided a unit affordable to the average Joe and were able to market successfully nationally in a way that turned high unit sales also.
FP happens to have used the same pricing strategy in their early days combined with small and lightweight features. They moved up to affordable remotes and established a good hold there and now will give those in the higher priced units a run for their money. My hats off to them for their success.
Who is a leader in the field now? That is matter of perspective. I can tell you from my own perspective that I use these URL's to try and inform the folks at HS as to trends in the industry and who they should watch the most. I will not name other companies who are not on our radar screen so as not to be accused of slamming our competition, but I will say that FP has our attention....big time.
Is FP the leader in the field? If you use total dollars, probably not because of the marketing Juggernaut that HS is, even though they sell a unit in a lower price range. Is FP a leader in the Remote Caller catagory? Probably. I have no way of being sure because I do not have access to that info in their company or others. But if I were a betting man I would say they are....for now. That is just a gut feeling having been around this industry for a long time.
I personally do not object to one company basking in the limelight on these boards because we have been there and it was because it was deserved. I do have concerns about the ability of some to pad the boards with posts for or against, that may be plants to promote or tear down. I am not saying that is the case here though because I just am not close enough to it to know. It is a flaw in the medium I am afraid is hard to detect and do anything about. That is one of the main reasons I dropped off the boards to a great degree for years.
I could be telling the truth in the most diplomatic way I could and it still was percieved as sour grapes. Some of my competitors and their following could misrepresent, fabricate and out right lie to the viewing public and there was no way to rebut without looking like a whiner. It is a lose lose proposition for manufacturers even if they are the most decent people in the world. I am not perfect but I have never had to slam my competition to be successful.
I have respect for those boards that try to control it to the best of their abilities because there have been some that did not.
My suggestion.....if there is a thread that you object to...don't open it after you realize where it is going. It is as simple as that.
In an effort to throw in some humor...the subject line of one of my recent emails to the good folks at HS was "we are eating Fox Pro's dust". The URL I provided in my email was the one for this very thread when it was a decent thread. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Don't get a fat head over that one Mike. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
River Runner
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Gerald,
Very interesting information coming from a well seasoned veteran like yourself.
I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your openness in bringing that here.
You hold a level of respect with many and will for a long time my friend. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Very interesting information coming from a well seasoned veteran like yourself.
I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your openness in bringing that here.
You hold a level of respect with many and will for a long time my friend. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
guess
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you know I have never witnessed a foxpro user slamming other call makers the way some of you guys slam foxpro{I'm not saying it doesn't happen},but it seems there are at least 2 other brand names out there that are associated with some very disreputable people who take great delight in trying to make foxpro look bad! well guess what guys this trash you spew forth makes for some awesome publicity for foxpro and their integrity and only strengthens the foxpro name!
I do not own a Foxpro yet, but am on the list waiting impatiently for the FX3 to show up at my door!
I have hunted with others that own foxpro's and they have performed flawlessly ,that combined with the way the Dillon's handle themselves when someone tries to make waves sold me on their product!
I had the pleasure of meeting Mike and hunting with him,under some very stressful conditions.he handled himself like a true gentleman and I believe him to be a man of honest integrity and sincerity!
my point is guys,get a life! if you like the product you are using and you believe in the guys that make it start a post and say so! I will be willing to bet you won't have a few foxpro fans slamming those companies and especially not any of the Dillon's!
If you have a problem with someone or something they have said take it up with them man to man don't play these silly internet games !
by the way anyone ever notice that this derogatory crap is always started by someone who has only made 5-6 posts ever,they never give any background on themselves and never have a legitimate email address! go figure! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
I do not own a Foxpro yet, but am on the list waiting impatiently for the FX3 to show up at my door!
I have hunted with others that own foxpro's and they have performed flawlessly ,that combined with the way the Dillon's handle themselves when someone tries to make waves sold me on their product!
I had the pleasure of meeting Mike and hunting with him,under some very stressful conditions.he handled himself like a true gentleman and I believe him to be a man of honest integrity and sincerity!
my point is guys,get a life! if you like the product you are using and you believe in the guys that make it start a post and say so! I will be willing to bet you won't have a few foxpro fans slamming those companies and especially not any of the Dillon's!
If you have a problem with someone or something they have said take it up with them man to man don't play these silly internet games !
by the way anyone ever notice that this derogatory crap is always started by someone who has only made 5-6 posts ever,they never give any background on themselves and never have a legitimate email address! go figure! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
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