full camo really needed ?

Dave Allen

New member
i know the camo topic gets beat pretty hard from time to time.
i,m curious what others success
with camo versus without is ? i
realize it probably helps maybe
more than i know ? not to sound
overly self conciences but when
deer & waterfowl seasons are over
i sure get some odd looks when
stopping for gas ect.. fully in
camo,sometimes someone will ask
what are you hunting ? i try &
be evasive as to not draw more
attention to our sport !! as our
area grows there are more anti
hunters ! plus coyote hunting
gains more popularity all the time.
i prefer to wear my jeans then slip
a camo top on when in the field &
face mask. i even used to change
in the field seems like a hassle ?
sometimes i feel like a product of
advertising & they are telling me
what i need ? all thoughts appreciated... good luck dave
 
I use a set of super lightweight 3D coveralls I got from Cabella's (pic in the photo gallery..First az coyote). They are made frome netting with the camo stuff sewn on and have a built-in net storage bag sewn inside the butt.

I wear whatever is appropriate to the weather underneath and take them off when I'm done hunting.

My only nit-pik with them is they don't have ankle cuffs so I rubber band "gaiter" them.

Good hunting
 
Hi, Guess you have to be carefull what you say around there. I see where a woman scalped a girl in your area. I wear camo and do well, but have done good at times wearing clothing that wasn't specific camo just broke things up. I stress equally no perfume scents(detergent/cologne).
 
DAVE ALLEN,
I strongly believe in full camo. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I have a close friend that's a retired Navy Seal and his help with my camo has given me confidance in my ability to not be seen. He tells me that the "key" to success with camo is to break up your outline. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

So, I never wear all the same type of camo, ie. all Real Tree, Mossy Oak, etc. When I go hunting I look like I've been shopping at an Army/Navy surplus and bought one of everything that they had on sale. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Let's face it, Navy Seals are predators hunting predators, as are other Special Forces. Whether it's coyotes or any other variation of predator, they're looking for something that's out of place and that's how you get picked out. :rolleyes:

As for others asking about my hunting in gas stations, carry-outs, etc., I try to use the drive-up windows or just tell 'em that you're hunting coyotes and they usually drop it from there. Most of the "non-hunting" crowd aren't aware that we even have a coyote population. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I don't like attracting attention to the fact that I'm hunting at all. Especially, to the general public, that may or may not understand enough to where it could hurt the hunting or hunters' image. I don't need the competition or the anti-hunting B.S. conversation. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Good hunting, Bowhunter57
 
I usually don't were my hunting clothes on my way to the area. They stay in an air tight box with cover scent, that way I don't end up smelling like cigarettes, coffee and 97 octain from the drive. In my area camo clothes are just about classified as evening wear, that and a number 8 hat and you're ready for dinner. So people usually don't think you're hunting if you've got camo on unless you stop at the gas station with face paint on.
I do think that camo is a great thing, deer and other animals can pick out solid color clothes, blue jeans especially in my opinion. I usualy try and stay away from "mossy oak" and other brand name junk, all that detail that looks so good on a dress shirt blends together when you are hunting an animal. About my favorite is the desert camo BDU's that they sell at the army/navy store. I were them any time after the leaves fall off, and the pattern is large enough to break up your shape. I've made a guilly suit poncho that fits over my head and shoulders that's great for outline breakup too. I think that the main thing is getting in some cover and shadows and using a facemask. Your head is the main thing you move so you gotta keep it covered. Hope this helps. Ted
 
coyotes see the color in your blue jeans really well,stay away from that.i believe every thing from the waist up needs to be camo.you can hide your legs.i wear bibs as they are most comfortable,when i get where i am going to hunt i change.
 
A couple of thoughts. These are mine and you may not think the same way.....

First, I'm not ashamed to be viewed as a hunter. In fact, I take that opportunity to be a good representative and try to put my best foot forward and leave a favorable impression.

Second, I'm also not afraid to share the sport of predator calling. We all began somehow and I'm absloutely not going to withhold information about predator hunting. If a guy at the gas station ask, "Well how do you hunt those dang things?" I give a very short primer and then offer some resources for him to research. This board being one. I may not offer to take him in hand, and I won't share my "honey holes" with him, but I'll try to be cordial and get him a place to begin.

Last, you might be surprised how many people will offer their land for you to hunt if they knew you killed coyotes. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Dave,
For what its worth, I also think its important to break up your human form. Two patterns of camo do a better job than one. Most of the times I have called stuff in, I was wearing a camo top of some kind and a face mask,light gloves and blue jeans. The blue jeans are probably not a good idea but there is lots of grass and brush in my country and the waist down is ususally concealed by it. I believe more important than all the high tech camo money can buy is to be stone still.
 
i thank everyone for their comments
& suggestions. i was wondering if others ran into anything negative
when telling people of their hunting
sport. i have been beat on a little when i tell people what i'm doing,
last year i had a lady really go off
on me.she used to live in nevada &
she said between the locals & arial
gunning they almost wiped out the coyotes,wouldnt say what town she
was from,anyway latter i bought the paper on the front page was a article
abot fish & game hiring a trapper to thin yotes from a area where deer numbers are down & paying him $169,000 to do it.which included arial gunning. i didnt see a need to get in a argument with a lady my mothers age so i backed away. i have even had hunters tell me why shoot something you cant eat ? i wont let a few people distort me, i just dont need a headache while trying to get away !! this is a odd spin to a camo subject, maybe its just me ?? nothing to keep me up at night just wondering how others thoughts were.
thanks...dave
 
I hardly ever wear "camo" as with what you think. Not the green or tree looking types. I hunt in a lot of tall bluestem grass and have found the best camo to be a tan wrangler longsleeve shirt and a carhartt tan vest if it is cooler. I always wear blue jeans and never have had a problem.
JR
 
I'm a spot and stalk coyote hunter mostly these days, and i wear the cheapest stuff i can find, BUT i really like the broken pattern, and light insulation of quilted flannel shirts ($3-4 at Salvation Army). I think they're perfect for coyote hunting-- warm, but not too heavy for just cool days. I also use a pair of coveralls that i used to get new (actually used), every 2 years or so from my old buddy Earl who was the King of the garage sales. But he's gone now, so i guess i'm gonna have to fend for myself more. I also like BDU's ($5 at SA). I especially like the big leg pockets for addtl. gear, especially my Leica laser which fits perfectly in there.
 
I think The Camo issue is the most overrated thing in hunting.Millions and Millions of dollars spent every year on camo and I don't think it is That crutial.I've tried it both ways.Hunted with camo for many years and called lots of coyotes real close.Anymore I where a pair of carhart pants and carhart jacket that's it and I am still calling coyotes real close.The Key is not what you wear but that you remain motionless. With or without camo,coyotes will pick you out if you are moving around alot.FWIW GOOD HUNTING C.O
 
All,
The coyote population in Nevada in danger...that's laughable. That tree-hugger lady in Idaho would'nt know sht from Shinola if it was labled. I knew a guy who WAS an aerial gunner for the feds and he said allot of them quit because it's too dangerous (The flying). The pilots get so revved up goin in for the shot that they often endanger themselves and their gunners. I recall one particular story where this guy brought a new gunner...a real hot shot on the ground, and he shot one of the wing supports while laying down fire on a yote. The bullet BARELY missed one of the aerilon control cables...would've put em down INSTANTLY. I am sure there are guys out there still doin' it, put it seems they don't do it very long. As far as wiping them out, well, that's not very realistic. It might be a bit harder hunt in some areas...but they are hardly extinct. If I recall most of this guys sorties were in Pershing and Lander counties.
 
Wolverine at Work has a good article under Members Articles on the PM main page (canine color vision) with a good link.
 
My experiences are, I killed a heck of alot more coyotes before I started worrying about every single piece of my gear, including camo clothes. I am in mixed sagebrush and shortgrass praire, rock outcroppings and stock tanks. Everything here is a light shade of brown. Faded Carhart outerwear has served me very well. Most of the camo on the market is way to dark to work in the west, unless you are in a green belt or hunting in a coniferous forest. I firmly believe that you could wear flourescent orange and if you did not move at all, had a backdrop behind you and the wind was right, you would not be detected. Camouflage probably does help in that it will add a SMALL degree of concealment by breaking up outlines, that is offset however by the movement that is caused by overconfidence. Just my thoughts
 
DAVID ALLEN,
Something else to consider. Every posted reply to your thread from members that have "down played" the need for camo, are west of the Mississippi. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Eastern coyotes don't miss anything due to their constant contact with humans. Coyotes learn very quickly, as we all know and more exposure to human contact does not help coyote hunters...in the east or west. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I feel that I need every advantage that I can attain and if wearing camo is what it takes, that's what I have to wear or get picked out and busted. :rolleyes:

Understand that I'm not picking on anybody, but pointing out that there's a difference between eastern and western coyotes and how they get hunted. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Good hunting, Bowhunter57
 
bowhunter...
I am sure you are right there...many of the ranches that I hunt I am the only one hunting there. It is also usually at least 10 miles to any town, etc. A lot less hunting pressure than other places I guess.
JR
 
I'm with you, Bowhunter57. I wear 100% camo at all times when in the woods, and I defenitely wouldn't stop and get gas or go into any store while wearing my camo, just for the fact of polluting my camo with scent.
just my 2 cents worth.
 
Originally posted by UTcallr:
[qb] . . . . . The Key is not what you wear but that you remain motionless. With or without camo,coyotes will pick you out if you are moving around alot.FWIW GOOD HUNTING C.O [/qb]
UTcallr makes the most important point on this thread, IMHHO. Stillness. Motionlessness.

A few years back a few of us were debating the subject of camo. We had one guy, more experienced than most, that proved his point by dressing in a full Santa costume and sitting out in the open. And, then he started calling and shot two coyotes that were coming in on a very cautious approach. I'm not advocating Santa suits, but, in watching him call, he remained totally without any motion during the call sequences. Stillness.

OTOH I have several sets of camo and a Ghille suit and believe that they are one of many "tools" available that helps increases calling success. So does my buddy with the Santa suit; he regularly wears a Ghille as well. IOW camo + stillness is better than either alone. I also wear either a camo face net, or Ghille hat or, on some occassions, use face paint. And scent attractants. And . . . . . oh well, you get the picture.

And, by the way, always use the public contact to promote the sport. People are just as curious as those coyotes we hunt and are often intrigued about calling. Once in awhile a great contact with a rancher or a friend of a rancher who wants someone to come out and help them with their predator problems.
 


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