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Originally Posted By: trapper2optimaandy, you think dogs have alway been pets and not used for a job, are you kidding me. not to say my dogs arent pets, my best dogs sleeps in the house and spends more time with me then my wife does, but the dog also goes to work with me everyday and has to work, she will work hogs, coyotes, beaver, what ever i need to put her on, shes one heck of a good pet but her first job is to hunt, maybe you should stick with a cat and knitting or something like that if you dont care for hunting with dogs, cause people have been using dogs to hunt with for a long time


I never said that dogs have never been used for hunting or working. Learn to read.....
 
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Originally Posted By: OptimaAndyOriginally Posted By: guessAndy you obviously don't know much about dogs either. do your homework. The majority of dog breeds were developed as working dogs. poodles were originally hunting dogs do some reading on dogs breeds. Until left wingers got to jacking with them you would be amazed at how many foo foo fluffy dogs were hunting dogs.
Hogs and Dogs are very barbaric animals without any encouragement or human influence.

Nope not a thing. Just breed and raised Labs, dobermans, shepherds, mini poodles, and a few other small breeds. Not to mention persian and maine coon cats. Yes i know some have been used for hunting but to me this is just not hunting. Or more so hunting as it should be. This is very barbaric. For one to think that this is fun has got to have some loose wiring or simply uneducated. I know ya'll down in Texas are a little different, i mean this as nice as possible, but this was just a little shocking for me. This is 3rd world kinda stuff.

This type of "hunting" has been going on since white people arrived in this country. In case you didn't know, hogs were brought here by the Spanish and released to free-range. The only way to round them back up is to catch them with dogs. It can't be done any other way. The hogs we hunt today are descendants of those same hogs. Did you ever watch Ol' Yeller? Guess what, that was a Black Mouth Cur, not a lab as you probably think. Those dogs and others like the Catahoulla and Texas Blue Lacy were bred to do this. The scene in Ol' Yeller attempted to show how pigs were rounded up every fall to mark their ears (similar to branding) and bring some in for slaughter.

The dogs track and find the hogs then catch the hog by the ear. They do not kill the hogs. The hogs are held in place until the hunter/farmer can catch them and kill or tie them. It's all very simple and not barbaric. It was done to survive and is done now for sport and to help control the numbers. You may not have hogs where you live but down here, they are devastating to crops and land and have to be controlled. That can't be done by spot and stalk methods.

And by the way, what evidence do you have that dogs were bred to be pets? That's the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Next your going to tell us it's ok for a man to brag about owning/breeding fancy cats? Oh wait... sorry you did say that didn't you?
 
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Originally Posted By: RayBOriginally Posted By: OptimaAndyOriginally Posted By: guessAndy you obviously don't know much about dogs either. do your homework. The majority of dog breeds were developed as working dogs. poodles were originally hunting dogs do some reading on dogs breeds. Until left wingers got to jacking with them you would be amazed at how many foo foo fluffy dogs were hunting dogs.
Hogs and Dogs are very barbaric animals without any encouragement or human influence.

Nope not a thing. Just breed and raised Labs, dobermans, shepherds, mini poodles, and a few other small breeds. Not to mention persian and maine coon cats. Yes i know some have been used for hunting but to me this is just not hunting. Or more so hunting as it should be. This is very barbaric. For one to think that this is fun has got to have some loose wiring or simply uneducated. I know ya'll down in Texas are a little different, i mean this as nice as possible, but this was just a little shocking for me. This is 3rd world kinda stuff.

This type of "hunting" has been going on since white people arrived in this country. In case you didn't know, hogs were brought here by the Spanish and released to free-range. The only way to round them back up is to catch them with dogs. It can't be done any other way. The hogs we hunt today are descendants of those same hogs. Did you ever watch Ol' Yeller? Guess what, that was a Black Mouth Cur, not a lab as you probably think. Those dogs and others like the Catahoulla and Texas Blue Lacy were bred to do this. The scene in Ol' Yeller attempted to show how pigs were rounded up every fall to mark their ears (similar to branding) and bring some in for slaughter.

The dogs track and find the hogs then catch the hog by the ear. They do not kill the hogs. The hogs are held in place until the hunter/farmer can catch them and kill or tie them. It's all very simple and not barbaric. It was done to survive and is done now for sport and to help control the numbers. You may not have hogs where you live but down here, they are devastating to crops and land and have to be controlled. That can't be done by spot and stalk methods.

And by the way, what evidence do you have that dogs were bred to be pets? That's the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Next your going to tell us it's ok for a man to brag about owning/breeding fancy cats? Oh wait... sorry you did say that didn't you?


Bred to be pets?? Been done for generation. Maybe not how it started but for the most part that what they are bred for now. As for the cats, before the economy went south I was getting 500 per kitten. Now i am only getting 300-350. So if i choose to talk about them a little, yah i am happy about it. It helps provide for my family and all the people who have bought my kittens absolutely love them to death. They all have their unique personalities. Just like a dog.
 
Originally Posted By: OptimaAndyOriginally Posted By: RayBOriginally Posted By: OptimaAndyOriginally Posted By: guessAndy you obviously don't know much about dogs either. do your homework. The majority of dog breeds were developed as working dogs. poodles were originally hunting dogs do some reading on dogs breeds. Until left wingers got to jacking with them you would be amazed at how many foo foo fluffy dogs were hunting dogs.
Hogs and Dogs are very barbaric animals without any encouragement or human influence.

Nope not a thing. Just breed and raised Labs, dobermans, shepherds, mini poodles, and a few other small breeds. Not to mention persian and maine coon cats. Yes i know some have been used for hunting but to me this is just not hunting. Or more so hunting as it should be. This is very barbaric. For one to think that this is fun has got to have some loose wiring or simply uneducated. I know ya'll down in Texas are a little different, i mean this as nice as possible, but this was just a little shocking for me. This is 3rd world kinda stuff.

This type of "hunting" has been going on since white people arrived in this country. In case you didn't know, hogs were brought here by the Spanish and released to free-range. The only way to round them back up is to catch them with dogs. It can't be done any other way. The hogs we hunt today are descendants of those same hogs. Did you ever watch Ol' Yeller? Guess what, that was a Black Mouth Cur, not a lab as you probably think. Those dogs and others like the Catahoulla and Texas Blue Lacy were bred to do this. The scene in Ol' Yeller attempted to show how pigs were rounded up every fall to mark their ears (similar to branding) and bring some in for slaughter.

The dogs track and find the hogs then catch the hog by the ear. They do not kill the hogs. The hogs are held in place until the hunter/farmer can catch them and kill or tie them. It's all very simple and not barbaric. It was done to survive and is done now for sport and to help control the numbers. You may not have hogs where you live but down here, they are devastating to crops and land and have to be controlled. That can't be done by spot and stalk methods.

And by the way, what evidence do you have that dogs were bred to be pets? That's the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Next your going to tell us it's ok for a man to brag about owning/breeding fancy cats? Oh wait... sorry you did say that didn't you?


Bred to be pets?? Been done for generation. Maybe not how it started but for the most part that what they are bred for now. As for the cats, before the economy went south I was getting 500 per kitten. Now i am only getting 300-350. So if i choose to talk about them a little, yah i am happy about it. It helps provide for my family and all the people who have bought my kittens absolutely love them to death. They all have their unique personalities. Just like a dog.

Good for you. I was just messing with you on the cat thing. Some consider animal breeding for profit barbaric. Others think hunting in general is barbaric and no longer needed. Others think that calling predators is barbaric and cruel. Where do we draw the line? Who's opinion is right? Just because you don't agree, don't judge. You have never walked in our shoes. You have no idea the amount of damage to crops, equipment, and livestock feral hogs can cause. Here in Texas, hogs will soon outnumber deer. They are shot by helicoptor, trapped, snared, shot, caught with dogs, poisoned, etc. They can't be stopped. We can only try and slow them down. Dog hunters are the number one control method. You should thank each and every one of the thousands that do it across the South. They are prolonging the spread that you will soon see in your part of the country. Let's see how you like it when you can't drive across pasture because of the holes they dig or when the deer are run off food supplies. When the ground nesting birds are all but gone.
 
Kill them all for all i care. From the pics that i saw it looks as though the dogs are attacking the hog and about to tare it to shreds.
If they cause so much damage why not open it up to everyone to hunt. I have heard of all the damage they do before and i had asked about hunting hogs before and tried to get some info. I was informed that farmers and land owners charged for hunters to kill the pigs. If they cause so much damage and they want them gone why charge???
 
Originally Posted By: OptimaAndyKill them all for all i care. From the pics that i saw it looks as though the dogs are attacking the hog and about to tare it to shreds.
If they cause so much damage why not open it up to everyone to hunt. I have heard of all the damage they do before and i had asked about hunting hogs before and tried to get some info. I was informed that farmers and land owners charged for hunters to kill the pigs. If they cause so much damage and they want them gone why charge???

I've never paid to hunt hogs. You just have to know the right people. Just like coyote hunting. Again, dogs hold pig, not attack it. Dogs catch pig for farmer/hunter, not kill it. It's not for the squeamish. Just a necessary part of life.

Good day.
 
Andy - We have never paid to hunt hogs. Everyone wants them gone!
The dogs don't tear pigs apart.They catch and hold. Thats it.
As far as chewing on them or anything else we don't want that.
You want a catch dog to hold and not let go till you have your hands on the pig.

Ray - well said. It is not for the squeamish!
 
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In your pics it looks like they are chewing him up. But its like i said to someone i am PMing back and forth with, if these things are so nasty, why would you want o put your dogs life at risk for sport. I love my dog like my wife and i had given it life.
I just don't get it. Maybe if i was to try it and see it first hand i would have a different opinion.

As for paying, i was on another site and was told i could kill all i wanted for 300 each. Swear to God.
 
Originally Posted By: OptimaAndyKill them all for all i care. From the pics that i saw it looks as though the dogs are attacking the hog and about to tare it to shreds.
If they cause so much damage why not open it up to everyone to hunt. I have heard of all the damage they do before and i had asked about hunting hogs before and tried to get some info. I was informed that farmers and land owners charged for hunters to kill the pigs. If they cause so much damage and they want them gone why charge???

they do want them all gone. Most places that charge have a hunting operation. The charge should reflect the level of comfort spent while on the hunt. I am going in March. I am paying, just to have food and a place to eat and exclusive access to property. I am not willing to pay per pound, or for a set number of hogs.
 
Andy - If your ever in TX look us up.
I will show you what is all about.
The rush you get when you are running to a bay. Cuttin the catch dogs loose.
I agree that we disagree. But there is no need to argue between hunters.
Once you try it, then you can tell me you don't like it. =]
 
If i am ever in Texas, you can rest assured the first thing i am going to do is hit a Longhorns game. Then I will give ya a call
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Quote: Fear is not just a humane emotion. Have you never seen a mother animal lose it young and fly around frantic to find it. It fears for its babies life just as a humane mother would.

Don't confuse instinct with human emotion

This is common among PETA types, and the like.



Quote:I love my dog like my wife and i had given it life.


If you love a dog as much as your wife, or your kids that doesn't sound right to me.

I have "loved" animals before, but never as much as my wife or kids.
 
Originally Posted By: elksOriginally Posted By: OptimaAndyKill them all for all i care. From the pics that i saw it looks as though the dogs are attacking the hog and about to tare it to shreds.
If they cause so much damage why not open it up to everyone to hunt. I have heard of all the damage they do before and i had asked about hunting hogs before and tried to get some info. I was informed that farmers and land owners charged for hunters to kill the pigs. If they cause so much damage and they want them gone why charge???

they do want them all gone. Most places that charge have a hunting operation. The charge should reflect the level of comfort spent while on the hunt. I am going in March. I am paying, just to have food and a place to eat and exclusive access to property. I am not willing to pay per pound, or for a set number of hogs.

Where are you headed to? I've been trying to find a decent place/price to go pig hunting in texas FOREVER now. It's a long drive to get down there, I decided I don't want to spend 20 hours each way in the truck and hope to find public land, and public land worth hunting. Also don't want to spend $500/animal like some of the fees add up to be. We were looking at a march trip also, 2 to 4 of us.

Friend and I did a pig trip to OK a few years ago and worked our butts off for 1 pig in 10 days and spent about a grand each by the time we did gas/hotel/paid for the access. We finally drug the owner out after a few days to show us the "thousands of pigs" he said were there, only to have him tell us "Gee, I thought I had pigs out here." The 1 we finally found we almost ran over with an atv. Completely and totally not worth it at that price.

Somewhere nearby people were hunting with dogs. About ever 30 minutes you'd hear the dogs going insane followed by a few shots. Even if they were horrible shooters and took 1 in 5, they still probably took 15 animals that day. I WANT DOGS!
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Bar M keep right on with your pics and storys!! I have been dog hoging once in southern texas and would do it again in a heart beat!! All I spent was gas getting there and motel fees!!
There might of been a little blood on the hogs ears from them holding them but by no way was there any dogs ripping them apart. The dogs were lucky they didnt get cut up.

Andy you said (why would you want o put your dogs life at risk for sport)
This is the love of these dogs!! They are doing what they love!! It is bred in them and they sure wouldnt be happy laying on some ones couch all thier lfes!!

Just like my terriers in a old barn with coon. these little dogs are apro 20 lbs fighting the heck out of a 30 lb coon. Now why would such a little dog fight a critter 1/2 as big as them?? its thier nature doing what they love!!

Until you see it done and know that facts. then you can have your opion and still should keep it to your self!!
What we are doing is leagle and thats our right. I dont bash you for you selling your cats for $300 to $500 per kitten. To me thats rip off but if that floats your boat then so be it!! thats cool!!

Vargy
 
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