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YOU FORGOT THE HAND FULL OF COONS
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call a bobcat, coyote and red/grey fox in two weeks..... it can be done.... rather easily as a matter of fact...



rather easily /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

why dont you post that over on the huntingpa sight and see how many guys did that this last year /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
George,

this was in-general, and that was spending the two weeks calling... if you spend two full weeks calling, you stand a pretty good chance calling in one of each.... i never said killing, just calling in...

Steve
 
I been doing this a really long time like close to 30 years or better,,,

in 2 week I have never don that anywhere,, anywhere!!!

first guys that been calling know red and gray don't run the same tuff often ,,
and there guys that been calling a long time that haven't called in there first bobcat yet!!
and there are a lot of guys in PA that been hitting the wood and field hard and haven't called a coyote yet let alone hand full of coon and a bobcat and a coyotes and both red and gray fox

and you use the words that's its relatively easy, /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

I am done with this post ,,, Please
 
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George,

first off, I will take back my easy comment, I did say it, but was talking about an experienced caller, who knows their area.... but face the facts, if you put the time in, and know your areas and what you are looking for it is not some magical thing to call predators. coon, and fox are easy... i can go out and in a normal night take those ... best night we had this year was hunting grey fox... we took 8 in one evening... and that was not hunting more than a couple hours.

i hunted 3 times for a red, and took one... it was no good for what i wanted it for... the mange had it looking nasty. as for cats... not a real big deal.... we have more than enough of them in the areas I hunt... called in several last year.. but with no tag for the last few years it didnt do me much good. I have a tag about 4 years ago and called and killed my cat that year. Coyotes last year were not worth our time. plain and simple... we hunted them more than a few times but it was because we either had seen or heard them... or had complaints about them. we didnt go looking for them much at all for obvious reasons, we did ok on them but nothing great. Possible to do this in two weeks... yep... if you put in the time, and expense....
 
I've no dog in this pizzing match, but calling in a coyote, red and grey fox, a bobcat and a coon in two weeks is no really great feat! Not here in VA, anyway. As far as reds and greys being found in the same area being "rear"(rare) that is just not true. Reds and greys do favor different types of terrain, but they can and do overlap frequently. I can think of at least twice in the last few seasons that I've called and killed both a red and a grey fox from the same stand. Several other times I've called both reds and greys to the same stand, minutes apart, and killed one or the other of those foxes.....and in daylight hours to boot!
Any experienced caller/hunter with a little luck, and hunting in an area inhabited by said critters, could do the same! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
Just my .02, YMMV..
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Edited by GC. Refer to my post asking for civility. This last comment wasn't necessary by you.
 
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No more of this will be tolerated. If you want this thread to continue knock off the BS and behave like reasonable adults.
 

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Wow this thread really took off.

I'm not sure what to say. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
There was a bunch of good points and a bunch of crap.
As far as the PA furtakers surveys goes. Yes they are real. They are sent randomly to people who buy a furtakers tag. I've been calling since the mid 80's and have gotten at least 5 since then. most have been in the last 10 years. If you don't send it back they send you another one.

George, you say you have been calling for 30+ years??
Arn't you in your late 30's???


As for Guess being here for 14 days, 20 some odd years ago on a beaver hunt, and calling in every predator without any local help.......well something smells fishy (no pun intended /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif)
If I was a betting man I would wager that he could not do that today let alone 20+ years ago.
Sorry but I ain't buying it.

I have watched the coyote hunting go from a small population and not many people even knowing they were here, and the biggest and hardest part of calling them was finding them.
To an expanding-growing population but with them having a bad rap on top of our deer problems everyone and there brother started killing (or trying to) them on sight.
Then again to a good huntable population but now there are soooo many people on the coyote bandwagon that they are again hard to call.
On top of all the other hunters in this state taking a crack at em, they are being chased by dogs for all the $ hunts, trapped, called, baited, snared, ect ect.

Like others have said pressure is bad and I don't think there could be anymore pressure put on PA's coyotes.
 
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As for Guess being here for 14 days, 20 some odd years ago on a beaver hunt, and calling in every predator without any local help.......well something smells fishy (no pun intended )
If I was a betting man I would wager that he could not do that today let alone 20+ years ago.
Sorry but I ain't buying it.




Sorry guys I live 4 hours from PA, and with a small bit of luck you could easily call Fox, coyote, and a bobcat in 2 weeks. Probably in a few days and nights.

I have called bobcats and coyotes on the same stand. It is not uncommon to have both reds and greys in the same area either.

I cannot believe it is that much different in Pa than Western Massachusetts. 4 or 5 hours cannot be that dramatic of a difference. I drive 7 hours to hunt the Rangely Lakes area in Maine, and coyotes and cats are easy to come by with some work. Fox a bit tough in Maine, but not undoable.

Reason Pa is so hard are the same reasons Massachusetts is tough ........... re-read my post above .

Pa has the animals ..... a member here (SilverfoxPa) has trapped all 3. He is an awesome Eastern trapper, and his pictures verify the animals are there.

If you can trap 'em, you can call 'em. If you have the knowledge.

A guy with a knack for coyote tends to kill 'em everywhere. Conversely a caller with limited years of succesful knowledge to draw on will struggle everywhere the animal density is low.

With his good woodsmanship, and set up experience of course Glenn could call all 3 ...... I find it hard to believe he didn't.

Good huntin', Sleddogg /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 

Sleddogg,

I have always liked reading your posts and agreed with you and your hunting style 99% of the time but this is the other 1%.

Let me get this straight........
20 some years ago A young man (maybe 19 or 20 years old = not much experiance) travels from TX to PA with his girlfriend to visit said GF's family. He just so happens to have a call in his pocket and once here he strolls out into the woods plops down on his keister and despite never being in this area before he calls in red fox, grey fox, coons, bobcat, and coyote. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif........./ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

I know the animals are here, this post in not about if they are here or not.

I find it very hard to believe he did.
The majority of callers in PA have never even called in a coyote and a lot of the long time callers in PA have only ever called in and got a few. They might not admit it but.....
I started calling coyotes around the time Guess claims to have done this. I had already been succefully calling fox for a few years prior to calling coyotes, but it took a couple of winters before I would call myself a coyote caller. Soooo with him saying that he came up here with no intent on hunting but had a call in his pocket and called in every predator in the state in a 2 week period at a time when I know that coyotes and bobcats populations were very thin is very hard for me to believe.

I was born at night, but not last night. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
I killed all 3 here in Massachusetts in 1976 when I was 17. Folks were amazed..... I was not.

Furman, I will agree to disagree...... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Doesn't matter that much anyway, as if you offered me a hunt in Pa or Texas, its obvious I'd way rather hunt in Texas.

but I'd bring my treestands to Texas as well /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Good luck to all, and huntin' season is gettin close.
 
you guys that don't believe it do your homework, drive over to Red House lake, be sure and take a bag of cookies and coaxer let me know what you think when you get back till then your opinions mean nothing, other than to show you know very little about the state you live in.

last I have to say on the subject till you do.
 
well since Glenn can post his new thoughts, here are mine


Nothing but double talk there Mr Guess,,,

If know one would of questioned yea would you have come up with the red house story????
 
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Let me get this straight.
You guys don't believe it because you've never done it? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

OMG!!! I'm gonna go way out a limb here and say that there ikely is someother things other guys have done that y'all ain't done.

Maybe Glen is just lucky, yep that's gotta be it. cause it ain't possible that he's just a better caller. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Give it a rest. Talk about hunting and quit trying to say something totally uncalled for about another member here. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
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you guys that don't believe it do your homework, drive over to Red House lake, be sure and take a bag of cookies and coaxer let me know what you think when you get back till then your opinions mean nothing, other than to show you know very little about the state you live in.
last I have to say on the subject till you do.



I've never heard of Red House lake.
What, is Red House lake some sort of predator sanctuary??
You get their attention with the coaxer and they come over and eat cookies out of your hand. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 

Redfrog,

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You guys don't believe it because you've never done it?


I don't recall anyone stateing they don't believe it because they never done it. I'm not sure where you got that from. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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OMG!!! I'm gonna go way out a limb here and say that there likely is someother things other guys have done that y'all ain't done.


I'm gonna totally agree with ya there.

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Maybe Glen is just lucky, yep that's gotta be it. cause it ain't possible that he's just a better caller.


Again I'll agree with ya, I would not doubt he is a better caller than me. I've never won any calling contests.
But then again I can't sound too bad, the fox and coyotes seem to like it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

I didn't think I was out of line with anything I said.
I'm sorry if it came across that way.
 

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other than to show you know very little about the state you live in


yea i don't know much about my state

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You guys don't believe it because you've never done it?



No we don't believe it because, we don't know anyone that's done it

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Maybe Glen is just lucky, yep that's gotta be it. cause it ain't possible that he's just a better caller.



That's it,,, he's a better caller then everyone in PA,,

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