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Here is your answer. The New Testament authors claimed to be witnesses to the risen Christ.

Eyewitness claims in the New Testament

The entire Old Testament points to the Messiah as well. It declares his birth, death, and resurrection. That is why so many believed.

I don't think the evidence is your problem. It is there. I think it is pride. You think you know better than God.

Regarding your statement of killing critters, what if you were the greatest Predator hunter on the planet? What would that do for you if you are going to lose your soul?



 
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Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOGOriginally Posted By: Infadel 762I will not debate religion, do you have any other angles? And I won't debate nondenominational spiritualism, since each individual defines their belief system differently, keeping it vague enough that it can't be identified or pinned down or falsified. Debating that is like trying to pin an invisible cloud to a wall. I don't find it interesting.


I call BS... What is so vague about the simple existence of God? You engaged what I had to say and dismissed my belief. All scripture has been translated and versioned through time by man, anyone can find contradictions add infinite.

I have been to the edges of insanity and as dark of places as most will ever see in this world. My faith is founded in bearing whiteness to my own personal restoration by a power much greater than any human power. I would never expect anyone whose personal belief system has been founded in faults they read in religion capable of wrapping their mind around my experience. So dismissing my God was contempt without prior investigation on your part.

But if you have any personal experience I am all ears.
 
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.”
John 14:6-7

It is not enough to believe God exists. You have to come to him by faith in Jesus Christ. Even the devil believes God exists. The devil will be cast into the lake of fire.
 
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Daniel Dennet says when debating religious people, their arguments are circular. It is not a clear way of thinking about anything. But society has allowed religions this space to grant them this socially acceptable nonsense of pleading their case. No other topic is allowed this freedom of non-thinking like religious people are allowed to get away with. Their excuse is, 'We have always argued this way, and we have won every time. (If you don't think about it, that is).
 
Originally Posted By: BJJ223Here is your answer. The New Testament authors claimed to be witnesses to the risen Christ.

Eyewitness claims in the New Testament


Your link is to an amature uneducated apologist and his argument holds no weight among scholars. It's jibberish propaganda.

Try looking at what actual bible scholars say about who wrote the gospels/NT and when. Maybe start at Wikipedia and click on some sources and look up the research yourself.

Because the ONLY evidence you need (your words) is the dozens of first hand eyewitness accounts of dealings with god. If that claim turns out to be false, which it demonstratably is, then you have no evidence and your claim falls flat on it's face. Maybe that's something you should actually research: Who wrote the gospels/NT? And when? And were they literally eyewitnesses or were they telling stories from other people who told them stories decades later?
 
I have done the research. They were written by who claimed to write them. You think they are a fraud. Have you even read the Bible?

You and I are sinners. My sin has been forgiven. What are you going to do about yours?
 
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Originally Posted By: BJJ223I have done the research. They were written by who claimed to write them. You think they are a fraud. Have you even read the Bible?


https://www.google.com/amp/s/discovering...-forgeries/amp/

The Pauline Epistles: Known and Suspected Forgeries.

“The Forgeries:

There are currently five Pauline Epistles which are known frauds: First and Second Timothy, Hebrews, Ephesians and Titus. These texts are known as pseudepigraphical- falsely claimed (assigned) authorship. Each of these Epistles have their own issue(s) which demonstrate their status as forgeries.”

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https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124572693

Jesus And The Hidden Contradictions Of The Gospels


“A further reality is that all the Gospels were written anonymously, and none of the writers claims to be an eyewitness. Names are attached to the titles of the Gospels ("the Gospel according to Matthew"), but these titles are later additions to the Gospels, provided by editors and scribes to inform readers who the editors thought were the authorities behind the different versions. That the titles are not original to the Gospels themselves should be clear upon some simple reflection.”


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Originally Posted By: BJJ223I have done the research. They were written by who claimed to write them.
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Ok bud, I'm done here.

This guy has been pulling our leg the whole time. Next thing you know he's gonna be talking about 100 yard patterns with his shotgun.
 
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Before you quit DD, are you up for saying just how you would expect a god to communicate with you? You have demanded answers to your questions but appear to have ducked this one asked of you. Other questions that could be addressed are the ones about ever seeing an explosion create order, and some kind of substantiation of what fw707 brought up about the earth being 4 billion years old. I’m interested to hear some articulated thoughts, not just some lame” do your own research” or “I’m not gonna spoon feed you” answer.
 
This is one of the best videos that I have ever found about evolution and the beginning of life. Very well done. Not sure why this isn’t so wide distributed in the media. Darwin’s burning question

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Who thinks their important enough that out of all of the problems in the world that God would single you out and talk to you just so you know he's real? Reality check, nobody's ever heard of you before. You're way more special in your own mind than you really are.

In the words of Bo Burnham, "No one entertains the thought that maybe God does not believe in you."
 
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Originally Posted By: 243kimberThis is one of the best videos that I have ever found about evolution and the beginning of life. Very well done. Not sure why this isn’t so wide distributed in the media. Darwin’s burning question

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You're a funny guy 243kimber, I appreciate your levity at the moment!

The link to the missing link is missing...That's pretty good!

You are joking, right?
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Originally Posted By: obaroOther questions that could be addressed are the ones about ever seeing an explosion create order, and some kind of substantiation of what fw707 brought up about the earth being 4 billion years old. I’m interested to hear some articulated thoughts, not just some lame” do your own research” or “I’m not gonna spoon feed you” answer.

I’ll be glad to give my opinion....

I don’t know the answer to either question. I just know science has theories that are the best ones available at the time, and those theories will change as better information becomes available.
I’d rather believe the science on both subjects because I’ve never seen even one single thing in my life to make me believe in a superstitious or magical creation, and geology trumps a religious book that says the earth is 6,000 years old.

Religious extremism prides itself in stifling education and scientific advancements. If some of them had their way we’d still be living in mud huts and watching our children die from rotten teeth.

BJJ223’s posts about the wisdom of god and the foolishness of man are prime examples of that mindset.

Religious extremism says it has all the answers. Science keeps looking.
I’ll take science every single time.

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Originally Posted By: obaroBefore you quit DD, are you up for saying just how you would expect a god to communicate with you? You have demanded answers to your questions but appear to have ducked this one asked of you. Other questions that could be addressed are the ones about ever seeing an explosion create order, and some kind of substantiation of what fw707 brought up about the earth being 4 billion years old. I’m interested to hear some articulated thoughts, not just some lame” do your own research” or “I’m not gonna spoon feed you” answer. I never made any claims about explosions or 4 billion years, you should ask the people who did.

Pretty sure I answered about communication: clearly. The fact that millions all over the world recieve conflicting answers from god shows that either there are multiple gods giving different answers, or one god giving different answers to different people, or one god giving vague and confusing answers that can be interpreted in many ways, or god does not communicate any answers at all and people make up their own answers out of delusion.

Get a faithful baptist, catholic, and mormon in the same room and ask them if god commanded Joseph Smith to secretly marry and have sex with other men's wives and 14 and 15 year old teenage girls. The mormon will say Yes, the catholic and baptist will strongly object. Or that Joseph Smith found a brown peep stone in a well and used it to seek buried gold treasures and then a few years later used the same brown peep stone placed in the bottom of a hat to translate ancient scripture written on gold plates into the Book of Mormon. The 3 prayer seekers, baptist catholic and mormon, can't even agree the same answer to simple questions like that. Now add in all the other faiths with conflicting doctrines and scriptures in the world and tell me god communicates in a way humans can clearly understand when they all get different answers from god and they are each convinced THEIR answer is the true answer.
 
Ooops, I did kinda lump 3 different things there together, and they did all come from different people.

I guess I need to ask it more clearly DD : What direct communication from a god directly to you, Dirty Dog, would make you say to yourself "Dirty Dog, I think a god just communicated directly to me!"?
 
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Tell you what. If you claimed there was an invisible dragon in your garage, and that invisible dragon was trying to communicate with me... I would need the same type of evidence of that invisible dragon's communication as I would need for evidence of a god's communication.

It's obsurd to ask me to define my personal acceptable parameters for godly communication. That's called making god in your own image.
 
Originally Posted By: 243kimberThis is by one of the best public intellectuals out there. By Sir David Attenborough. It explains the beginning of life forms on

Not sure if that was the link for explaining the beginning of life forms. He mostly talked about preserved bugs (and a lizard) in amber. Pretty neat, though. Thought it odd that he used the words 'magic' and 'miracle' several times. Doesn't seem to fit in with the scientific subject.
 
I see where you are coming from; if you walked by my garage and all of a sudden flames blew out and your pants caught fire I would guess you would say obaro does have an invisible dragon in his garage ?

Also you make valid point about people arguing the points of their denominations; by the same token I have observed secular scientists do the same type of thing. Human nature being what it is, given a choice a person will pick their own nose rather than someone else’s.
 
Originally Posted By: obaroI see where you are coming from; if you walked by my garage and all of a sudden flames blew out and your pants caught fire I would guess you would say obaro does have an invisible dragon in his garage ? Except your particular invisible dragon also shoots invisible flames that don't actually set anything on fire, it's invisible fire that nobody except you can see or feel. So I still would have no evidence of your invisible dragon.

And your, or the typical christian response is that maybe you admit nobody can see your invisible dragon, but I must not have seen the invisible dragon flames because I wasn't looking "correctly" with a pure heart. Or I wasn't ready yet to see the flames. Or I'm too prideful to see the invisible flames. Or I was busy looking for smoke and missed the flames.

Kinda like Infidel 762's claim, nobody except him can ever experience or test or see or feel or his god encounter. We all have to just take his word for it that he has an invisible dragon in his garage had a god experience because he said so.
 
DD- the way I read your last response is that there is no way you could believe there was a god that was trying to communicate with you. Am I getting that right? You seem to always put your own twist on what everyone else says to make it the way you want it to be, pretty much doing what you accuse religious folks of doing. I said nothing about your heart, or that there were any other parameters, just that your pants were on fire.
 
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