Hunting in the East forum gone.

You are right, some things are different. Main differences are lower coyote density, smaller parcel size (as mentioned) and visibility (as a general rule west is more “open”).

The coyotes themselves are pretty much the same.

The hunting conditions being different should not prevent posting in the Predator forum.,
 
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Yellowhammer said:
You are right, some things are different. Main dig fences are lower coyote density, smaller parcel size (as mentioned) and visibility (as a general rule west is more “open”).

The coyotes themselves are pretty much the same.

The hunting conditions being different should not prevent posting in the Predator forum.,
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You got any piles of dead to validate your hypothesis?
 
I have a few.
One stand in East Texas

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All East Texas

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Kino M said:
Ever notice how all these "experts" claiming that there is no difference and its all the same has NEVER once posted one single picture of a big pile of eastern coyotes that they killed by themselves???? No extensive videos, no compilations, no hanging racks,, no truck bed full pictures?? Ever notice how western guys never come here and win the big tournaments??

They've never posted really any proof of anything from the east, just opinions that are based on no to very little experience with no to very little success.

Ever notice how everyone goes on VACATION out west to the easy hunting and NOBODY travels to the east for the easy hunting!!!

Its different in the east, period.
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Someone from the east needs to explain to me what is different about it. You keep saying it is different but we never hear how.
I see pictures of piles of fox taken from guys taken back east.
We don’t see many fox in Oklahoma and I haven’t seen any at all hunting west of OK.
I understand your areas to hunt might be smaller and have more cover but to me that just takes different hunting styles.
Maybe a lot of the difference is you don’t have the coyote population that western states have?
And if you think it is easy to call and kill western coyotes that doesn’t work either.
 
Yellowhammer said:
I have a few.
One stand in East Texas

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All East Texas

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Are you geographical challenged?? Every single picture you posted is in Texas, I get in your mind you think East Texas is the same but it isn't. Dig a little deeper YH as well as you need much bigger piles, 4 or 5 assorted critters and mixed bags aren't coyotes, remember we are talking coyotes, much much smarter than the cats, fox, coons and possums you posted to gain some street cred!!

Thanks for sharing the pictures though!
 
220_Swift said:
Someone from the east needs to explain to me what is different about it. You keep saying it is different but we never hear how.
I see pictures of piles of fox taken from guys taken back east.
We don’t see many fox in Oklahoma and I haven’t seen any at all hunting west of OK.
I understand your areas to hunt might be smaller and have more cover but to me that just takes different hunting styles.
Maybe a lot of the difference is you don’t have the coyote population that western states have?
And if you think it is easy to call and kill western coyotes that doesn’t work either.
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Your retired now, jump in your truck and come East and enter a tournament or simply pleasure hunt and you'll pretty quickly understand.

I've wrote some pretty extensive post over the last couple of years here and there, but there's ton ps of differences that makes everything much different.

Without lots of successful hunts in the east in regularity, season after season people's opinions are simply not based on actual facts of success or data. A day or two isn't a real representation either, sometimes we just hit it when the fish are really biting.

Coyote density, parcel size, visibility is only a few things in a much bigger part of the equation.

What about learned behavior that drastically effects a coyote in relation to constant interactions with humans?

Hunter density is much much higher, urban sprawl, more road traffic, less land access, smaller coyote home range, more water, more educated coyotes, these are just a few factors that drastically effects coyotes behavior and hunter success.

I think is was 9 when I called and killed my first fox, that was 42 years ago and I haven't stopped killing and trying to learn since. I've been blessed and had some amazing mentors coming up, the best was some guys that fed their families and paid the bills through the great depression by hunting and trapping as necessity.
I've learned most everything not from a book or an internet forum, not a seminar by an "expert", but from actually trapping, hunting, calling and killing coons, lions, Bear, Deer, foxes and coyotes from the California border, to Longview Texas, West Virginia, Kentucky, Illinois, Indiana, Nevada, Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Florida, and Georgia.

Lots of other places I'd like to hunt before I die but from my experience and success anyone who says a coyote is all the same is full of poo poo.
 
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Last night, 3 stands all within 10 minutes of my house in Indiana.

Not to turn this tread into a "I'm the greatest" thread because I'm definitely not , but I'm posting some videos and pictures to prove that I hunt all over the country, I hunt hard mostly by myself. I killed 208 coyotes personally last year in 7 or 8 states, about 150 some was in the east.

So far this year I've hunted about 15 times total in 3 different states (east and west) and I've personally shot exactly 123 coyotes. Not the best numbers in the country but solid and enough to know and have testimony that there absolutely is a difference in east VS west coyote.
 
I appreciate all the hero shots weather from East or West. But it seems pretty clear there is a strong interest in an Eastern forum. That alone should justify restarting the forum.
 
Kino M said:
Are you geographical challenged?? Every single picture you posted is in Texas, I get in your mind you think East Texas is the same but it isn't. Dig a little deeper YH as well as you need much bigger piles, 4 or 5 assorted critters and mixed bags aren't coyotes, remember we are talking coyotes, much much smarter than the cats, fox, coons and possums you posted to gain some street cred!!
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If I transported you to East Texas, Georgia, Mississippi, and South Carolina randomly, you would not be able to tell which state you were in. I guess you will have to tell me where the "east" starts.

My small piles (no opossums either by the way) are to your point that numbers, and visibility are less and therefore create challenges here in the "east". When I hunt in western more open country the piles are bigger.

I use the same techniques calling in both places.


I'm not worried about "street cred" and not sure what I would do with it if I had any, but I will leave further discussion to those with said "cred".
 
KINO is dead on.
Not even in the same realm of difficulty. Not the same stand setups, sounds when calling, bait sites/setups. Guys aren't driving 2 miles throwing E-caller out and killing 1 every stand on virgin ears with Cagie Cottontail and claiming it's the "same". Guys here are calling educated coyotes accustomed to living among us. As coyote calling increases(both day and night) the difference becomes more and more evident. We can't just use Cagie Cottontail on Virgin ears every 2 miles during the day to put one in the truck and have a dozen in one trip..lol
Bring the forum back ...Pretty Please
or I'm certain the 1015 guys who surf it regularly will turn to Social Media for more "pertinent to them" info like the flood of others already leaving PM.
No disrespect intended..just facts.
 
From what I'm seeing here, most of the Board and Mods have dug in their heels to reject a rather simple request. The name of this Website is Predator Masters. It is a bit difficult to understand how Varmints and small game, along with Big Game Hunting get their own forums and have nothing to do with Predator Hunting while Hunting in the East and Baiting which are about predator hunting get lumped into the General Predator forum. What Kino has been trying to voice is that the tactics are vastly different for both those categories. For that matter why not lump all "Calls" into one Forum?

Meanwhile, how many moderators or Board members are from east of the Mississippi? How many have ever been asked or even considered as Board members or mods? Secondly, while I find the ability to post pictures and videos somewhat easier, the opening page of the forums is pretty flat and not very attractive. It doesn't have much visual appeal and is unlikely to catch and hold visitors (my opinion only). Perhaps it is because it is so new and will receive updates as time goes on. This may be the beta version I guess.

I want this place to be great, period. I want it to be easy to use, visually attractive , and responsive to the members who post here regularly. Rarely am I seeing more than 8 or 10 members online here at one time and about 80-100 visitors. Participation is low, extremely low, and without members who are willing to post fresh content, there is only one end. We don't need to be taking potshots at one another sniping and bickering back and forth. Ok, so I've had my say, now you can blow up and accuse me of being childish, or you can really listen to the heartfelt desires from at least some of your members.
 
Driven2tri24 said:
KINO is dead on.
Not even in the same realm of difficulty. Not the same stand setups, sounds when calling, bait sites/setups. Guys aren't driving 2 miles throwing E-caller out and killing 1 every stand on virgin ears with Cagie Cottontail and claiming it's the "same". Guys here are calling educated coyotes accustomed to living among us. As coyote calling increases(both day and night) the difference becomes more and more evident. We can't just use Cagie Cottontail on Virgin ears every 2 miles during the day to put one in the truck and have a dozen in one trip..lol
Bring the forum back ...Pretty Please
or I'm certain the 1015 guys who surf it regularly will turn to Social Media for more "pertinent to them" info like the flood of others already leaving PM.
No disrespect intended..just facts.
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Facts? Now talk about exaggeration! Have you ever actually hunted out west?
 
Will someone please point out where anything says the Predator forum is for hunting in the west. I thought it covered any Predator hunting. Am I wrong? To the best of my knowledge there has never been a west forum and have never seen a complaint about that. This is about hunting predators not segregating east from west. Am I incorrect about that? I have not seen any valid reason shown here to seperate them. Do we just eliminate the Predator forum and create an east and west forum? Do we start removing posts made by people that are out of their area? Where is the border like Sean asked? Right now all I see is someone thinking they are better and then cut down someone else because they don’t killl the same amount of coyotes. That is not a valid discussion.

The west does have more public land but to say it is easier to kill coyotes is not correct. There are also more people hitting that land and using it for other recreation. Not all the west is wide open. We do have dense forests also.
 
The directors and moderators are trying to make things better here. A lot of time and work has gone in to moving the server, getting things set up and members access. It seems no matter what is done any more, some have to through a fit and not even try to discuss. It is impossible to please everyone but we do the best we can.
 
I posted this in the other thread about consolidation but that thread died and this one grew legs so I'll repost it here.

How is this helping you in any way? You enjoyed posting and sharing your hunts. You enjoyed reading about other's hunts. You can still do that here. You do have things in common with hunters in the west, you both enjoy hunting coyotes. A lot of those guys are hunting hills and sagebrush and scrub with cover so tight that if they sit down they can't see over the top of it and coyote shots are within close shotgun ranges. Unless a guy thinks he already knows it all, he just might pick up on something here and there that would enhance his setups in the East. Or visa versa. If you read any of those sticky threads on the Eastern forum there were some that I posted on when this place was birthed. In those threads, there were a few western hunters who pitched in and stated that some of the tactics we used in the East were the same way they went about things in the western mountains. Some hunting practices are universal.

You guys who disagree with canceling the Eastern forum have a right to express your opinions and wishes. However, to leave PM because you didn't get your way is childish. That is a tribal mentality, east vs. west, and you are only interested in getting your way and not in the big picture of what is best for the website. At least give it a try and see how it goes as it has been set up now. You might like it. If you don't like how things go bring the subject back up at a later date. Or, stomp your feet and leave if that is your way. I am making a case to keep you guys here because I have respect for the great posts and hunting stories that were posted in the Eastern forum. Those posts have value and you all have been and could continue to be great contributors to PM. At one time I was the moderator of that forum and felt strongly about it. I am certainly willing to see how things go as is and give it a try for the overall best interest of Predator Masters. Never make decisions when you're emotional. Give some thought to hanging on and continuing to contribute to the forums before you throw in the towel. My 2.5 cents worth.
 
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