Hunting shows that lie
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Boomy
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Originally Posted By: jbmaster I agree.I watch this show called"Predator Quest"This Johnson guy makes it look like all you gotta do is drive a huge pick-up, painted like a white tiger,out to the open prairie and blow a few times on a rabbit call,and coyotes run right up.Lately he has been wearing this giant coyote skin hat.Hilarious!
I keep waiting for him to get shot while wearing that hat.
I stopped watching PQ along time ago. One giant infomercial disguised as a hunting show, and he comes across completely fake.
I keep waiting for him to get shot while wearing that hat.
I stopped watching PQ along time ago. One giant infomercial disguised as a hunting show, and he comes across completely fake.
GC
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I know these guys need to make a living, however, the constant product pimping is very tiresome. It is also obvious that they will switch products to the highest bidder and pimp the newest sponsor with little regard of what they had to say about such in the past. Or pimp what is pretty much a silly product regardless. Les Johnson is very bad about giving a complete itemized rundown on every sponsored item he has at every stand. The Hunter Specialties crew is just as bad too, both the predator hunting pro-staff and the turkey boys too. In fact, there may be some cross over with some of the HS products, Screamin' Hen comes to mind and Eddie Salter... too funny. Eddie should pass that one to Criner and let him espouse the merits of it as a coyote call at every stand. Probably sell more of those to the predator fraternity anyway.
I seriously think watching hunting shows has made me a WORSE hunter. I think about too much stuff not that isn't important. Before I would just go out with a gun/bow and call and shoot deer/coyotes or w\e instead of thinking about all this [beeep] about scent control and all the products you NEED to be successful.
Tactical .20
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Yah, it is sort of an insult to our intellegence when a predator hunter uses the scent killing stuff. I doubt very much that will stop a coyote from smelling human scent, I have my doubts it works good on elk or deer.
As many have said, there is just too much money involved now. I know a guy who has a bunch of video and when looking into creating his show for TV the outdoors channel air time was $80,000 for the cheapest times. So what you see is a bunch of rich people or fill it full of advertisers to even hope to cover the cost...
Most of the bigger names, I.E. Primos do not make any money off the actual videos, but they sell more products. What a great business plan, get people to pay to watch our advertisements.
Most the hunters are goobers, and the only reason to watch is to observe animal behavior. Unfortunately there is very little of it in most hunting shows.
Most of the bigger names, I.E. Primos do not make any money off the actual videos, but they sell more products. What a great business plan, get people to pay to watch our advertisements.
Most the hunters are goobers, and the only reason to watch is to observe animal behavior. Unfortunately there is very little of it in most hunting shows.
I actually just said that about 'Predator Quest' to stir things up. Here in the Allegheny National Forest,Pa.,the woods are way too thick to see a coyote approaching.Unless it's late Winter.Which is why I favor scent killers.They may not kill all scent,but it's way too easy for a coyote to circle downwind unseen.If he sticks around for just a few more seconds,it's worth it.Les has a good show.Just imagine getting enough footage to keep a show going week after week.My hat is off to them.I really like Eastmans show and Fred Eisler (hope I spelled that right)on Eastons show.If that guy hunts on a ranch,he sure shoots the small stuff.
Originally Posted By: jbmaster I actually just said that about 'Predator Quest' to stir things up. Here in the Allegheny National Forest,Pa.,the woods are way too thick to see a coyote approaching.Unless it's late Winter.Which is why I favor scent killers.They may not kill all scent,but it's way too easy for a coyote to circle downwind unseen.If he sticks around for just a few more seconds,it's worth it.Les has a good show.Just imagine getting enough footage to keep a show going week after week.My hat is off to them.I really like Eastmans show and Fred Eisler (hope I spelled that right)on Eastons show.If that guy hunts on a ranch,he sure shoots the small stuff.
Now if you watch Predator Quest and others. It is really not an issue getting enough footage because they replay it twice. In most of the shows they typically show 2 maybe 3 stands. By the time they set up, call get the yote coming in, then go to commercial, then go back to the yote just starting to come, then go the the shot, then back to commercial. Then a brief hey this is what just happened, followed by the walk out. Man this is really a pretty coyote, then lets go see what our next stand brings. Added up in the typical 1/2 hour hunting show, you are seeing about 10 minutes of actual footage, 10 minutes of commercials, then about 10 minutes of set up shots. So really not that impressive. Now to make a full length video and no repeat shots and avoiding a bunch product promotion is pretty impressive.
To get 52 shows of predator hunting when you are actually only showing about 10 minutes of footage is not that over the top if that is what you do. Heck 2 good stands a day can get you the 10 minutes you need.
Maybe I am making it a little too simple, but it sure seems that way. Now doing all sorts of hunts and keeping the shows different is more challenging, but most of the shows often have several camera men and serval hunters from many areas. they actually will buy hunts for people, etc. Again it is all about money.
Now if you watch Predator Quest and others. It is really not an issue getting enough footage because they replay it twice. In most of the shows they typically show 2 maybe 3 stands. By the time they set up, call get the yote coming in, then go to commercial, then go back to the yote just starting to come, then go the the shot, then back to commercial. Then a brief hey this is what just happened, followed by the walk out. Man this is really a pretty coyote, then lets go see what our next stand brings. Added up in the typical 1/2 hour hunting show, you are seeing about 10 minutes of actual footage, 10 minutes of commercials, then about 10 minutes of set up shots. So really not that impressive. Now to make a full length video and no repeat shots and avoiding a bunch product promotion is pretty impressive.
To get 52 shows of predator hunting when you are actually only showing about 10 minutes of footage is not that over the top if that is what you do. Heck 2 good stands a day can get you the 10 minutes you need.
Maybe I am making it a little too simple, but it sure seems that way. Now doing all sorts of hunts and keeping the shows different is more challenging, but most of the shows often have several camera men and serval hunters from many areas. they actually will buy hunts for people, etc. Again it is all about money.
stevecriner
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Originally Posted By: GCThe Hunter Specialties crew is just as bad too, both the predator hunting pro-staff and the turkey boys too. In fact, there may be some cross over with some of the HS products, Screamin' Hen comes to mind and Eddie Salter... too funny. Eddie should pass that one to Criner and let him espouse the merits of it as a coyote call at every stand. Probably sell more of those to the predator fraternity anyway.
I have called coyotes with it,lol. Yep it works. A turkey squeelin while being humped and pounced on, sheese who would of thought it. I would of never believed it if I wouldnt of seen the LIVE footage of a turkey being bred making that sound and Gerald having the exact sound in our library. Wonder if the sound would make a gobbler think another birds breedin his hen, nah surely not! Gobblers arent aggressive just ask all the jake decoys and struttin decoys that get their A@#e$ kicked evry year just for being stuck in the ground next to a FAKE chick,lol.
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I have called coyotes with it,lol. Yep it works. A turkey squeelin while being humped and pounced on, sheese who would of thought it. I would of never believed it if I wouldnt of seen the LIVE footage of a turkey being bred making that sound and Gerald having the exact sound in our library. Wonder if the sound would make a gobbler think another birds breedin his hen, nah surely not! Gobblers arent aggressive just ask all the jake decoys and struttin decoys that get their A@#e$ kicked evry year just for being stuck in the ground next to a FAKE chick,lol.
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GC
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Yea, the Screamin' Hen is a big hit and all the talk on all the turkey hunting forums... LOL. Should you spritz yourself with HS Scent Killer before using it to turkey hunt? That'd probably help just in case you accidently called a coyote anyway, wouldn't it? Wow… a new market for the ad exec’s to muddle over. I can hear the round table discussion now…
“Gentlemen we may have a new market for the sagging sales of our scent control products. It might just be possible to announce this as a new technology in the turkey hunting world! Could we pull that off, or do you think average hunters know turkeys have very little olfactory senses respectively?”
“Aw, let’s try it anyway. If we loudly announce it at every opportunity on the Pro Staff video they’ll buy into the idea! Now which Pro is going to push it for us…? ”
I guess we know the answer to that one now – TFF!
“Gentlemen we may have a new market for the sagging sales of our scent control products. It might just be possible to announce this as a new technology in the turkey hunting world! Could we pull that off, or do you think average hunters know turkeys have very little olfactory senses respectively?”
“Aw, let’s try it anyway. If we loudly announce it at every opportunity on the Pro Staff video they’ll buy into the idea! Now which Pro is going to push it for us…? ”
I guess we know the answer to that one now – TFF!
NorCalHntr
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Why don't you ask the boys (NWTF) who actually turkey hunting criner how well or what they think of the "squealing hen"? My main game pursuit it turkey and I hunt primo land in TN. Private land 400 acres that I fly into every April for 7 days and come away with 4 longbeards. In 15 years of being there, NEVER, have I heard that sound or anything close to it, with hundreds of hens and gobblers I can assure everyone that sound is BS. It doesn't happen in the "WILD". When I lived there and could hunt every weekend/day and scout, still never heard the squeal. I don't care what you have on video, that sound is not real in the wild. No real turkey hunters have one in their vest. NONE.
Tactical .20
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Omg, I just watched gun with Ben Spies, what a waste of film, I can't believe it!
Originally Posted By: Tactical .20Omg, I just watched gun with Ben Spies, what a waste of film, I can't believe it! Thats exactlywhat i was gonna say.I wonder if this guy has alot of money or knows someone in the higherup ranks.Did you notice the shotgun upside down im guesing on his toes or in the dirt.wow
odawgp
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I know a fella in Utah that guides all the big wigs of the gun and ammo industry on predator hunts in western utah eastern nevada.
he put together a video with all the walking, stalking,calling $ shooting that was done. nothing was staged nothing faked he even had some footage of them picking a stand using a topo map and google earth images educational right?
WRONG
when he took it to the movie industry folks they watched it and said they couldn't use it. while full of MEAT it didn't have any flavor ie DRAMA.
he put together a video with all the walking, stalking,calling $ shooting that was done. nothing was staged nothing faked he even had some footage of them picking a stand using a topo map and google earth images educational right?
WRONG
when he took it to the movie industry folks they watched it and said they couldn't use it. while full of MEAT it didn't have any flavor ie DRAMA.
Tactical .20
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Geepers, too boring huh? I guess one with real teaching info needs to be sold as a calling video.