If I were the devil

Originally Posted By: seeknulfindOriginally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: seeknulfindIf anyone is interested, and I'm sure FW will want to devour every word, I posted an article on my blog related to the topic, partly inspired by some of the responses in this thread. I only got to page 4 when I started. A week or so ago, I waded through the rest. Yes, it has taken me this long to post anything as I became quite involved in what turned out to be a very long article.

I posted it one the blog for a couple of reasons: I thought it too long for a post. Since then, this thread has long since petered out so my timing, as usual, stinks. Also, I prefer to offer the ideas presented to a larger audience.

While I did have some comments on some of the posts in the first four pages, I decided to refrain from posting them as they are no longer timely.

God bless,

Well, you keep blogging away to your little heart's content-
Just make sure you keep me out of your trash pile from now on



Thank you so much FW for allowing me to post to my blog! You have no idea what your permission means to me.

As far as keeping you out of it, well, you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometime you might just find, get what you need.

God bless

Let me know how you like the Dawkins book and video.
I'm sure you will recognize a lot of issues where you and I will finally find some common ground for once.
I'm looking forward to that!

I've read your book several times, so let me know what you think when you finish mine.

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Dawkins bases his path in life on Darwinism.

Evolution for me has so many questions.
For example how did the being that became a monkey know millions of years ahead of time that he was going to need a tail so he could get started evolving one?

How long did it take creatures to develop eyes? How did they know they were going to need eyes? Were the earlier creatures going around bumping into stuff?

Has evolution stopped or is everything evolving as we speak?

How long did it take for mammals to start feeding their young milk? How did the young know to nurse. Did the udders come on slowly with one teat and just a little milk?

Will cows someday have six teats?
Why did teats evolve in even numbers?

Interesting stuff.


 
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Originally Posted By: tnshootist

Interesting stuff.




Yeah, it's "interesting stuff" for folks who like to use the same old worn-out monkey garbage to fight their losing battle.
Some folks just like to keep wallowing in the same ignorance.
I wondered why for a long time. Then I realized they are just more comfortable wallowing in ignorance.

Kinda like a pig in.........
well, you know.

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Originally Posted By: tnshootist

Interesting stuff.




So, tell me about something you know about...
like Matthew 24:34.

http://www.thingstocome.org/whatgen.htm

Seems like you were bragging on C.S. Lewis a while back-or maybe it was ADK?
I'm hoping it was you since you would have a 1% chance of replying.
ADK found him on the internet and he would have no chance of contributing anything worthwhile.

Originally Posted By: tnshootistDawkins bases his path in life on Darwinism.


You hate science and everything about it that contradicts with your fantasies.
Next time your kids and grandkids get sick keep them home and pray for them.

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no i don't hate science.

I have five stents in my heart. The Dr. prayed each time before the procedure.
I think he believed in science and God.

I have always found evolution interesting. Have never been able to see proof.

You think I was just being sarcastic but I would really like to know why mammals developed teats in even numbers.
I understand that one celled creatures live near volcanic vents deep in the ocean.Some people think thats how life got started.
That makes me wonder if there might be new creatures crawling out of the deep that we don't yet know about. Must be if evolution has not stopped.
It must not have stopped for what would stop it.
That would mean that nothing is in its finished state but is mid evolution.
That makes me wonder what things will be like. Maybe the ozone burning off is just part of evolution and creatures will learn to use the radiation for their good.

I have thought about this stuff some. I just keep having more questions.
On top of it all I can't see any proof that anything evolved.
I see proof that things cease to exist.
I have never seen anything that I thought was turning into something else.
You would think there would be some things just ready change. There would have to be a tipping point between what was and what is now. That line after millions of years that a creature just was by the preponderance of evolutionary change ready to blossom into its next phase.

When a sow evolved teats for its young how did it know how many it would need. Did it start having pigs it could not feed? Or did it develop enough teats then have more pigs?

Is evolution science?
Many scientist believe in creation.Many physicist do as well.
Some that have worked years in their field conclude creation makes more sense.

Answer some of my questions. Childish insults are not productive.
Answer the questions.
Share your wisdom with this poor ignorant soul.
Simple questions for someone who understands I would think.


By the way my kids are in their forties.
Best leave kids and family out of this I would think.
 
Originally Posted By: tnshootistno i don't hate science.
I have five stents in my heart. The Dr. prayed each time before the procedure.
I think he believed in science and God.


If you believe the prayers of a doctor are responsible for the successful surgery or surgeries that saved and/or extended your life, you should have found yourself a plumber who could say a nice prayer. You could have saved yourself many thousands of dollars and you would have ended up with the exact same results.

We have a very dear friend who had a radical cancer surgery a couple of weeks ago. The doctors prayed with her before the surgery. She got back a very bad test result yesterday.
I blame a god exactly the same for her bad results as I credit a god for your good results.

Originally Posted By: tnshootist
I have always found evolution interesting. Have never been able to see proof.


You are obviously a very intelligent person.
There is an unbelievable amount of evidence supporting evolution. Many Christians are able to see the evidence and no longer flatly deny it like before. They know the earth isn't flat anymore.
But you accept the biblical creation idea with absolutely zero evidence or proof?

Originally Posted By: tnshootist
By the way my kids are in their forties.
Best leave kids and family out of this I would think.

You know I said that only to illustrate what is most important to us.
If you want to continue an honest discussion please don't make something out of nothing.

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And I'm glad you were able to get the medical care to extend the time you have to spend with your family.
That wasn't available just a few years ago.
 
Quote:Sorry for the delayed response. I just returned from my turkey hunt this week. Got my turkey opening day, but I camped out an extra 10 days to hunt small game and assist with a Junior Deer Camp, sponsored by a several sportsmen organizations, to promote youth hunting. I am in the field a lot and not online much so expect my replies to be delayed.

Seeknulfind.....I skimmed over your blog and thought it was right on and made several good points.

Fursniper,

Thank you for your kind words and for taking the time to look over the article. Maybe someday I'll learn to say the same things in fewer words.

Congratulations on your successful time in the field. I doubt if anything happens here in absence that would be of greater value than what you were doing.

God bless,
 
Originally Posted By: tnshootistno i don't hate science.

I have five stents in my heart. The Dr. prayed each time before the procedure.
I think he believed in science and God.

I have always found evolution interesting. Have never been able to see proof.

You think I was just being sarcastic but I would really like to know why mammals developed teats in even numbers.
I understand that one celled creatures live near volcanic vents deep in the ocean.Some people think thats how life got started.
That makes me wonder if there might be new creatures crawling out of the deep that we don't yet know about. Must be if evolution has not stopped.
It must not have stopped for what would stop it.
That would mean that nothing is in its finished state but is mid evolution.
That makes me wonder what things will be like. Maybe the ozone burning off is just part of evolution and creatures will learn to use the radiation for their good.

I have thought about this stuff some. I just keep having more questions.
On top of it all I can't see any proof that anything evolved.
I see proof that things cease to exist.
I have never seen anything that I thought was turning into something else.
You would think there would be some things just ready change. There would have to be a tipping point between what was and what is now. That line after millions of years that a creature just was by the preponderance of evolutionary change ready to blossom into its next phase.

When a sow evolved teats for its young how did it know how many it would need. Did it start having pigs it could not feed? Or did it develop enough teats then have more pigs?

Is evolution science?
Many scientist believe in creation.Many physicist do as well.
Some that have worked years in their field conclude creation makes more sense.

Answer some of my questions. Childish insults are not productive.
Answer the questions.
Share your wisdom with this poor ignorant soul.
Simple questions for someone who understands I would think.


By the way my kids are in their forties.
Best leave kids and family out of this I would think.


Your whole basis of thinking is skewed. That's why nothing's making sense to you. we generally don't see animals change in our lifetimes, because the Process is a slow continuous thing. "Nature abhors a vacuum" where and when there's an opportunity, it does its best to fill the gap.

We make up terms like "Deer", so that we can navigate our particular brand of life. Animals get by without doing this, but this is how our brains are wired. in the real, real, real world however, deer, animals, people..do not exist. They are only a snapshot in time of a process that only occurs when certain ingredients are met..fields, mountains, streams...as those ingredients change with time, the process that we know as "deer" also changes.. i.e. streams dry up.. deer may eventually become better at retaining water..on a larger scale it's all part of the same thing.

When you see it in full scope, It speaks volumes about the reality of being and it becomes pretty clear, that we are FULLY DESERVING of this moment. Not some piece of crap, them books have you believe.
 
I am sorry about your friend.
Just as when we are little and ask our earthly father for something sometimes the answer is no.
Then as now that answer is beyond understanding in our young mind as it is now in our adult mind.

As we mature we see that our earthly father had reasons for his answer.
We are like children and someday we will mature and understand Gods answer.

I am not making light of your friends bad news. It is devastating when this kind of thing happens.

I believe that God knows that our life here is just the beginning.

I hope your friend and the family are people of faith and can find comfort and strength during this most difficult of times.

Please take this in the spirit that it is meant.
 
Thanks Swampy.
Now I understand some things.
That buck I never could understand how I missed,now I do.
He wasn't really there at all.

If all things were a random mixture of features Maybe I could buy evolution. To happen by chance with perfection is not logical.
Not only do creatures have eyes they are positioned on the head in the best spot for the life of that creature.I can not believe that eyes just developed then over millions of years moved around the skull to the best position. Think what that would require.
Think about the eye itself. Able to pick up waves of light of differing frequency and make a picture in the brain that is in fact what is there before it.
And the most amazing thing is it is made out of meat.

No evolution is to simplistic. It's not logical that perfection could happen by random chance.

I do understand that in order to profess non belief there has to be a explanation for life.A non believer has no choice except to accept evolution as fact.They have painted themselves into a corner.
 
Originally Posted By: Foxpro.223For those who can't see what Paul Harvey was talking about fifty some odd years ago are either blind or corrupt.

Oh, I’m sure everybody can see what he was talking about.
Not everybody is childish enough to believe there are monsters under the bed.
 
lol tn. You're either shot or playing coy. You really are a literalist, sure with the Bible as well.

Seems to be, that you're the one that can't handle the answer "No" since don't see you thanking god when your loved ones die off after an unanswered prayer... You should, since that's what he wanted and as we all know he's always right. Maybe someday you'll understand him. Until then be upset when he says No
 
Reading my last post again perhaps came over a little to harsh, but without God All that not "understanding him", does not apply. There's clear reasons why we die, with no explanation necessary. There really is no strings attached.

I want to clarify, that when I say a "deer" doesn't really exist. I mean, it doesn't really exist as an entity as separate from its environment. The human brain constructs it that way.. if life were (created) it would cease to be, as everything would have gone extinct when conditions eventually became intolerable to specific species..Luckily, new species (evolve) to counter the effects of extinction. (nature abhors vacuum)

The perfection you speak of, such as that of the eye, can only occur through evolution, which is anything but random...those eyes didn't just happen (randomly created)they have morphed ever so slightly by the process of natural selection, over millions of years.

So, the reason you missed that buck is because, either you had some blind ancestors breeding in your lineage or your genes that make sight were or have become slightly mutated. This is all if vision is the real problem...not buck fever lol
 
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But Swampy as for the eye.
Would there not be a point in the process that the eye could not see then a tipping point when it would see.
Or are you saying the eye developed of much time and was blind then was cloudy and very slowly became clear.
Did creatures exist for millions of years with eyes that did not work?
 
Yes, before eyes existed, when all life on earth was simple. Their were clusters of receptor cells that formed on the organism. They'd had basic function. Like detecting light sources..Those eventually became what we know as eyes. Remember we're talking about simple life forms here..there wasn't much to them.. it's not like there were lions running around with simple eyes. None of these complex animals were around then..
 
From slight mutations in genes that have been passed on. The simple life forms held on to mutations that separated a normal cell, from one that became more sensitive to the environment. As the process continued on more receptor cells added and configured differently, becoming more complex. The eye..

Exactly how the cells on the moths back became darker. How did they get darker? Well, more white moths with "darker cell" mutations passed on genes..
 
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