CatShooter
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Originally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeI like my actions like my women, round bottom. Not flat or fat ....
Inferior action???
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Winny Fan
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Originally Posted By: CatShooter.....You are putting down all the features of the actions you don't like, and not admitting the disadvantages of the actions you purport are better - it is a badly skewed presentation at best.
Catshooter, I'm going to borrow your last sentence and modify it to describe, in my mind, how this thread began:
You are putting down all the features of the actions you don't like, and obvioiusly know very little or nothing about, and you're not admitting the disadvantages of the actions you purport are is better - it is a badly skewed presentation at best.
As I said early on, what action is better for me is the one that is going to meet my needs today. They all have + and - features, some real and some more of a personal preference thing, and what one individual likes may not be what the other guy likes. As I also said early on, I'm glad we don't all have to like the same thing. If we did - We might be stuck with a Mossberg 800 or something else to remain unnamed that looks about as bad.
I'm with Tim on the women issue, and I bet most guys who like flat bottomed actions feel the same way.
Just my opinion.
Catshooter, I'm going to borrow your last sentence and modify it to describe, in my mind, how this thread began:
You are putting down all the features of the actions you don't like, and obvioiusly know very little or nothing about, and you're not admitting the disadvantages of the actions you purport are is better - it is a badly skewed presentation at best.
As I said early on, what action is better for me is the one that is going to meet my needs today. They all have + and - features, some real and some more of a personal preference thing, and what one individual likes may not be what the other guy likes. As I also said early on, I'm glad we don't all have to like the same thing. If we did - We might be stuck with a Mossberg 800 or something else to remain unnamed that looks about as bad.
I'm with Tim on the women issue, and I bet most guys who like flat bottomed actions feel the same way.
Just my opinion.
BOBTAILS
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Originally Posted By: Winny FanOriginally Posted By: CatShooter.....You are putting down all the features of the actions you don't like, and not admitting the disadvantages of the actions you purport are better - it is a badly skewed presentation at best.
Catshooter, I'm going to borrow your last sentence and modify it to describe, in my mind, how this thread began:
You are putting down all the features of the actions you don't like, and obvioiusly know very little or nothing about, and you're not admitting the disadvantages of the actions you purport are is better - it is a badly skewed presentation at best.
As I said early on, what action is better for me is the one that is going to meet my needs today. They all have + and - features, some real and some more of a personal preference thing, and what one individual likes may not be what the other guy likes. As I also said early on, I'm glad we don't all have to like the same thing. If we did - We might be stuck with a Mossberg 800 or something else to remain unnamed that looks about as bad.
I'm with Tim on the women issue, and I bet most guys who like flat bottomed actions feel the same way.
Just my opinion.
Yep and you've expressed it several times with nothing positive to add. I feel sorry for you.
Catshooter, I'm going to borrow your last sentence and modify it to describe, in my mind, how this thread began:
You are putting down all the features of the actions you don't like, and obvioiusly know very little or nothing about, and you're not admitting the disadvantages of the actions you purport are is better - it is a badly skewed presentation at best.
As I said early on, what action is better for me is the one that is going to meet my needs today. They all have + and - features, some real and some more of a personal preference thing, and what one individual likes may not be what the other guy likes. As I also said early on, I'm glad we don't all have to like the same thing. If we did - We might be stuck with a Mossberg 800 or something else to remain unnamed that looks about as bad.
I'm with Tim on the women issue, and I bet most guys who like flat bottomed actions feel the same way.
Just my opinion.
Yep and you've expressed it several times with nothing positive to add. I feel sorry for you.
Winny Fan
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Originally Posted By: BOBTAILSOriginally Posted By: Winny FanOriginally Posted By: CatShooter.....You are putting down all the features of the actions you don't like, and not admitting the disadvantages of the actions you purport are better - it is a badly skewed presentation at best.
Catshooter, I'm going to borrow your last sentence and modify it to describe, in my mind, how this thread began:
You are putting down all the features of the actions you don't like, and obvioiusly know very little or nothing about, and you're not admitting the disadvantages of the actions you purport are is better - it is a badly skewed presentation at best.
As I said early on, what action is better for me is the one that is going to meet my needs today. They all have + and - features, some real and some more of a personal preference thing, and what one individual likes may not be what the other guy likes. As I also said early on, I'm glad we don't all have to like the same thing. If we did - We might be stuck with a Mossberg 800 or something else to remain unnamed that looks about as bad.
I'm with Tim on the women issue, and I bet most guys who like flat bottomed actions feel the same way.
Just my opinion.
Yep and you've expressed it several times with nothing positive to add. I feel sorry for you.
LOL. Don't worry about me. I'm in good shape. Use your pity where it might help someone who needs it.
If you foolishly "step in it" when being an internet expert, don't plan to always get off scott free based on your self perception. Several others echoed what I said but you decided to make me your patsy maybe hoping you'd get some sympathy and support.
I'm a competitive person and I don't simply roll over just because you think I should.
Carry on, and cheer up.
Catshooter, I'm going to borrow your last sentence and modify it to describe, in my mind, how this thread began:
You are putting down all the features of the actions you don't like, and obvioiusly know very little or nothing about, and you're not admitting the disadvantages of the actions you purport are is better - it is a badly skewed presentation at best.
As I said early on, what action is better for me is the one that is going to meet my needs today. They all have + and - features, some real and some more of a personal preference thing, and what one individual likes may not be what the other guy likes. As I also said early on, I'm glad we don't all have to like the same thing. If we did - We might be stuck with a Mossberg 800 or something else to remain unnamed that looks about as bad.
I'm with Tim on the women issue, and I bet most guys who like flat bottomed actions feel the same way.
Just my opinion.
Yep and you've expressed it several times with nothing positive to add. I feel sorry for you.
LOL. Don't worry about me. I'm in good shape. Use your pity where it might help someone who needs it.
If you foolishly "step in it" when being an internet expert, don't plan to always get off scott free based on your self perception. Several others echoed what I said but you decided to make me your patsy maybe hoping you'd get some sympathy and support.
I'm a competitive person and I don't simply roll over just because you think I should.
Carry on, and cheer up.
Ackman
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Originally Posted By: BOBTAILSI read a post recently where a guy built a nice custom gun on a Winchester action out of choice
??? I know wierd huh! He stated that he chose this cause he would not use a inferior Remington 700 action... Inferior????
It's the internet. Ignorant people write stupid things all the time. Arguing over it is also dumb.
It's the internet. Ignorant people write stupid things all the time. Arguing over it is also dumb.
Captramrod01
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Originally Posted By: CatShooterTo debate the age of design is more than silly - the 1911 is over 100 years old. People keep saying it is obsolete, but they try other pistols and keep coming back to it.
The M-2 machine gun, the 20 mm Oerlikons, 40mm Bofors, and a host of other guns, all have grey hair, and they are still in production because they WORK WELL, and no one has come up with a replacement that works as well or better.
I don't know if I've ever heard someone say the 1911 design was obsolete but it certainly is not the end all pistol anymore. Ever hear of a little company called Glock?
Originally Posted By: CatShooterThe TRG and AI could never meet military contract requirements.
Why? They both hold many military contracts to other countries. I'm sure if the US ever seriously considered them they would work out the logistics. Or are you speaking on the ability of the rifles wouldn't qualify?
Originally Posted By: CatShooter3 - Lobbying and cheap contracts are the only thing that effect the military's purchasing.
Pure BullSkat!
Don't be naive. This is big government. Lobbying is king.
Originally Posted By: CatShooterThis is silly - if they don't know anything about them, then they pick on cosmetics.
Notice I put feels the best and has the best features. I was assuming these people could discern between extractors/design/etc. Should have explained that better I suppose.
Originally Posted By: CatShooterOne piece bolts suck - Remington and Winchester go through the extra work (and cost) to make two piece bolts for good reason - if you follow some of the other forums that are dedicated to custom actions, you will read thread after thread about problems with actions that use one piece bolts.
I don't know if any other maker has had more broken bolt handles then Remington. They seem to be soldered on with bubblegum. Would really hate to see their 'cheap' way of doing it if this is the expensive way. Would love to see those threads on why one piece bolts suck btw.
Originally Posted By: CatShooterM-16 and Sako extractors are not universally loved.
Maybe not, but throw in the claw and you have something for everyone. No one chooses the 700 extractor over those 3 designs.
Originally Posted By: CatShooterBecause Tikka and Howa are your favorites, does not validate your very biased statement.
This is as silly as the 30-06 vs 270... and 9mm vs 45 Auto, debates in which advocates ignore the deficiencies of their choice and ignore the advantages of the other side, and then blindly (and deafly) march forwards into a quagmire of bullskat.
You are putting down all the features of the actions you don't like, and not admitting the disadvantages of the actions you purport are better - it is a badly skewed presentation at best.
Ok lets talk downside of Howa. Metric threading (some smiths are allergic apparently) and according to you possible the m16 extractor and the crappy 1 piece bolt?
Downsides of Tikka: One size fits all action/bolt. Bolt stops are different sizes so its not like your throwing for a 30-06 when shooting 223...I can see how that would bother some nonetheless though. Plastic shroud?
Upside of Winny: You've already listed them above. I have no beef with it other than I personally don't think it has a good feel.
Upside of Remmy: Obviously its aftermarket rocks, mechanically I can't think of a single feature it does better then the 3 actions listed above. Unless you like soldered bolt handles and paperclip extractors that is.
Sir, no ones blindly marching anywhere. I have owned 8 remingtons and am down to 1. I have put thousands of rounds through the platform and am very familiar with it. The last 3 had firing pin holes so large fired primers would crater so far out brass wouldn't slide into shell holders for reloading. They either got PTG replacements or I sent them off to be bushed. One had base screws so misaligned tapping them out to 8-40 wasn't enough to correct the offset. To be fair I've only had one broken extractor.
Meanwhile my first 2 tikka t3 customs needed almost nothing extra. One needed slight lapping on the lugs other was perfect, no truing on the action needed. No firing pin hole problems, no need to drop 130-220 on a timney/jewell. So ya, you could say I'm tired of the 700 and this point dislike the platform. Blindly hating it though? Not a chance.
The M-2 machine gun, the 20 mm Oerlikons, 40mm Bofors, and a host of other guns, all have grey hair, and they are still in production because they WORK WELL, and no one has come up with a replacement that works as well or better.
I don't know if I've ever heard someone say the 1911 design was obsolete but it certainly is not the end all pistol anymore. Ever hear of a little company called Glock?
Originally Posted By: CatShooterThe TRG and AI could never meet military contract requirements.
Why? They both hold many military contracts to other countries. I'm sure if the US ever seriously considered them they would work out the logistics. Or are you speaking on the ability of the rifles wouldn't qualify?
Originally Posted By: CatShooter3 - Lobbying and cheap contracts are the only thing that effect the military's purchasing.
Pure BullSkat!
Don't be naive. This is big government. Lobbying is king.
Originally Posted By: CatShooterThis is silly - if they don't know anything about them, then they pick on cosmetics.
Notice I put feels the best and has the best features. I was assuming these people could discern between extractors/design/etc. Should have explained that better I suppose.
Originally Posted By: CatShooterOne piece bolts suck - Remington and Winchester go through the extra work (and cost) to make two piece bolts for good reason - if you follow some of the other forums that are dedicated to custom actions, you will read thread after thread about problems with actions that use one piece bolts.
I don't know if any other maker has had more broken bolt handles then Remington. They seem to be soldered on with bubblegum. Would really hate to see their 'cheap' way of doing it if this is the expensive way. Would love to see those threads on why one piece bolts suck btw.
Originally Posted By: CatShooterM-16 and Sako extractors are not universally loved.
Maybe not, but throw in the claw and you have something for everyone. No one chooses the 700 extractor over those 3 designs.
Originally Posted By: CatShooterBecause Tikka and Howa are your favorites, does not validate your very biased statement.
This is as silly as the 30-06 vs 270... and 9mm vs 45 Auto, debates in which advocates ignore the deficiencies of their choice and ignore the advantages of the other side, and then blindly (and deafly) march forwards into a quagmire of bullskat.
You are putting down all the features of the actions you don't like, and not admitting the disadvantages of the actions you purport are better - it is a badly skewed presentation at best.
Ok lets talk downside of Howa. Metric threading (some smiths are allergic apparently) and according to you possible the m16 extractor and the crappy 1 piece bolt?
Downsides of Tikka: One size fits all action/bolt. Bolt stops are different sizes so its not like your throwing for a 30-06 when shooting 223...I can see how that would bother some nonetheless though. Plastic shroud?
Upside of Winny: You've already listed them above. I have no beef with it other than I personally don't think it has a good feel.
Upside of Remmy: Obviously its aftermarket rocks, mechanically I can't think of a single feature it does better then the 3 actions listed above. Unless you like soldered bolt handles and paperclip extractors that is.
Sir, no ones blindly marching anywhere. I have owned 8 remingtons and am down to 1. I have put thousands of rounds through the platform and am very familiar with it. The last 3 had firing pin holes so large fired primers would crater so far out brass wouldn't slide into shell holders for reloading. They either got PTG replacements or I sent them off to be bushed. One had base screws so misaligned tapping them out to 8-40 wasn't enough to correct the offset. To be fair I've only had one broken extractor.
Meanwhile my first 2 tikka t3 customs needed almost nothing extra. One needed slight lapping on the lugs other was perfect, no truing on the action needed. No firing pin hole problems, no need to drop 130-220 on a timney/jewell. So ya, you could say I'm tired of the 700 and this point dislike the platform. Blindly hating it though? Not a chance.
CatShooter
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Originally Posted By: Captramrod01Originally Posted By: CatShooterTo debate the age of design is more than silly - the 1911 is over 100 years old. People keep saying it is obsolete, but they try other pistols and keep coming back to it.
The M-2 machine gun, the 20 mm Oerlikons, 40mm Bofors, and a host of other guns, all have grey hair, and they are still in production because they WORK WELL, and no one has come up with a replacement that works as well or better.
I don't know if I've ever heard someone say the 1911 design was obsolete but it certainly is not the end all pistol anymore. Ever hear of a little company called Glock?
Originally Posted By: CatShooterThe TRG and AI could never meet military contract requirements.
Why? They both hold many military contracts to other countries. I'm sure if the US ever seriously considered them they would work out the logistics. Or are you speaking on the ability of the rifles wouldn't qualify?
Originally Posted By: CatShooter3 - Lobbying and cheap contracts are the only thing that effect the military's purchasing.
Pure BullSkat!
Don't be naive. This is big government. Lobbying is king.
Originally Posted By: CatShooterThis is silly - if they don't know anything about them, then they pick on cosmetics.
Notice I put feels the best and has the best features. I was assuming these people could discern between extractors/design/etc. Should have explained that better I suppose.
Originally Posted By: CatShooterOne piece bolts suck - Remington and Winchester go through the extra work (and cost) to make two piece bolts for good reason - if you follow some of the other forums that are dedicated to custom actions, you will read thread after thread about problems with actions that use one piece bolts.
I don't know if any other maker has had more broken bolt handles then Remington. They seem to be soldered on with bubblegum. Would really hate to see their 'cheap' way of doing it if this is the expensive way. Would love to see those threads on why one piece bolts suck btw.
Originally Posted By: CatShooterM-16 and Sako extractors are not universally loved.
Maybe not, but throw in the claw and you have something for everyone. No one chooses the 700 extractor over those 3 designs.
Originally Posted By: CatShooterBecause Tikka and Howa are your favorites, does not validate your very biased statement.
This is as silly as the 30-06 vs 270... and 9mm vs 45 Auto, debates in which advocates ignore the deficiencies of their choice and ignore the advantages of the other side, and then blindly (and deafly) march forwards into a quagmire of bullskat.
You are putting down all the features of the actions you don't like, and not admitting the disadvantages of the actions you purport are better - it is a badly skewed presentation at best.
Ok lets talk downside of Howa. Metric threading (some smiths are allergic apparently) and according to you possible the m16 extractor and the crappy 1 piece bolt?
Downsides of Tikka: One size fits all action/bolt. Bolt stops are different sizes so its not like your throwing for a 30-06 when shooting 223...I can see how that would bother some nonetheless though. Plastic shroud?
Upside of Winny: You've already listed them above. I have no beef with it other than I personally don't think it has a good feel.
Upside of Remmy: Obviously its aftermarket rocks, mechanically I can't think of a single feature it does better then the 3 actions listed above. Unless you like soldered bolt handles and paperclip extractors that is.
Sir, no ones blindly marching anywhere. I have owned 8 remingtons and am down to 1. I have put thousands of rounds through the platform and am very familiar with it. The last 3 had firing pin holes so large fired primers would crater so far out brass wouldn't slide into shell holders for reloading. They either got PTG replacements or I sent them off to be bushed. One had base screws so misaligned tapping them out to 8-40 wasn't enough to correct the offset. To be fair I've only had one broken extractor.
Meanwhile my first 2 tikka t3 customs needed almost nothing extra. One needed slight lapping on the lugs other was perfect, no truing on the action needed. No firing pin hole problems, no need to drop 130-220 on a timney/jewell. So ya, you could say I'm tired of the 700 and this point dislike the platform. Blindly hating it though? Not a chance.
This has predictably turned into another stupid, "My favorite gun is better than everyone else's favorite gun."
Very lame and childish.
The M-2 machine gun, the 20 mm Oerlikons, 40mm Bofors, and a host of other guns, all have grey hair, and they are still in production because they WORK WELL, and no one has come up with a replacement that works as well or better.
I don't know if I've ever heard someone say the 1911 design was obsolete but it certainly is not the end all pistol anymore. Ever hear of a little company called Glock?
Originally Posted By: CatShooterThe TRG and AI could never meet military contract requirements.
Why? They both hold many military contracts to other countries. I'm sure if the US ever seriously considered them they would work out the logistics. Or are you speaking on the ability of the rifles wouldn't qualify?
Originally Posted By: CatShooter3 - Lobbying and cheap contracts are the only thing that effect the military's purchasing.
Pure BullSkat!
Don't be naive. This is big government. Lobbying is king.
Originally Posted By: CatShooterThis is silly - if they don't know anything about them, then they pick on cosmetics.
Notice I put feels the best and has the best features. I was assuming these people could discern between extractors/design/etc. Should have explained that better I suppose.
Originally Posted By: CatShooterOne piece bolts suck - Remington and Winchester go through the extra work (and cost) to make two piece bolts for good reason - if you follow some of the other forums that are dedicated to custom actions, you will read thread after thread about problems with actions that use one piece bolts.
I don't know if any other maker has had more broken bolt handles then Remington. They seem to be soldered on with bubblegum. Would really hate to see their 'cheap' way of doing it if this is the expensive way. Would love to see those threads on why one piece bolts suck btw.
Originally Posted By: CatShooterM-16 and Sako extractors are not universally loved.
Maybe not, but throw in the claw and you have something for everyone. No one chooses the 700 extractor over those 3 designs.
Originally Posted By: CatShooterBecause Tikka and Howa are your favorites, does not validate your very biased statement.
This is as silly as the 30-06 vs 270... and 9mm vs 45 Auto, debates in which advocates ignore the deficiencies of their choice and ignore the advantages of the other side, and then blindly (and deafly) march forwards into a quagmire of bullskat.
You are putting down all the features of the actions you don't like, and not admitting the disadvantages of the actions you purport are better - it is a badly skewed presentation at best.
Ok lets talk downside of Howa. Metric threading (some smiths are allergic apparently) and according to you possible the m16 extractor and the crappy 1 piece bolt?
Downsides of Tikka: One size fits all action/bolt. Bolt stops are different sizes so its not like your throwing for a 30-06 when shooting 223...I can see how that would bother some nonetheless though. Plastic shroud?
Upside of Winny: You've already listed them above. I have no beef with it other than I personally don't think it has a good feel.
Upside of Remmy: Obviously its aftermarket rocks, mechanically I can't think of a single feature it does better then the 3 actions listed above. Unless you like soldered bolt handles and paperclip extractors that is.
Sir, no ones blindly marching anywhere. I have owned 8 remingtons and am down to 1. I have put thousands of rounds through the platform and am very familiar with it. The last 3 had firing pin holes so large fired primers would crater so far out brass wouldn't slide into shell holders for reloading. They either got PTG replacements or I sent them off to be bushed. One had base screws so misaligned tapping them out to 8-40 wasn't enough to correct the offset. To be fair I've only had one broken extractor.
Meanwhile my first 2 tikka t3 customs needed almost nothing extra. One needed slight lapping on the lugs other was perfect, no truing on the action needed. No firing pin hole problems, no need to drop 130-220 on a timney/jewell. So ya, you could say I'm tired of the 700 and this point dislike the platform. Blindly hating it though? Not a chance.
This has predictably turned into another stupid, "My favorite gun is better than everyone else's favorite gun."
Very lame and childish.
ARCOREY
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I personally can't stand a 3 position safety. Just one of my pet peeves. I want them either on or off. I especially don't want to have to put the gun into a firing position or "half" safe (is there such a thing?)to take the ammo out. I have only tried or borrowed and not purchased any gun that has a 3 position for this reason. I have had it cost me shots while hunting when the rifle was thought to be in the fire position but was on "half" safe. Sure it's something I could learn, but I don't want to.
Hate the feel of an A-bolt from end to end, especially the synthetic palm swells with the tumor growing out of them. I end up having to shoot an A-bolt for somebody every year it seems and I despise the experience. Just my personal preferences. They might be fine rifles, just don't personally care for them. I shot a Tikka T3 trying to help a guy sight it in. When I held it I kept waiting for the skies to part, the beams of light and angel voices to start, but nothing happened. After the shock wore off I got to looking the rifle over, it was quite disappointing really. Maybe I got a hold of a dud, but it wasn't for me. Didn't shoot for crap either, but again, it was an isolated exposure
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I'm pretty disappointed in all the manufacturers offerings for the prices they demand actually. Most feel like crap or have Tupperware stocks or grainy triggers and bolts or rattle or just look cheap. I'm sure I'll just cannibalize some dangerous and fragile old school Remington if I want another bolt gun
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I've never personally seen a broken bolt handle on any rifle that somebody wasn't threading or messing with. I personally don't know anybody that has had a M700 AD that didn't monkey with the trigger. I've read plenty about it and I'm sure it could happen, but haven't seen it or met anybody that has personally. I saw all kinds of pictures of blown up Glocks on the web before I bought mine, doesn't mean the owners were smart enough to own them. Doesn't mean they didn't fail. I've also never known anybody to have one explode on them. The number of guns in circulation versus the number of problems speaks more to me. No bolt action has or will come close to the number of M700's out there. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting one around here. Yes, I like swinging dead cats
Round bottom girls are best in any make foreign or domestic
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Oh yea, I forgot. Bugholes, lights out, scary accurate, sub MOA, all day long as long as I do my part.
Hate the feel of an A-bolt from end to end, especially the synthetic palm swells with the tumor growing out of them. I end up having to shoot an A-bolt for somebody every year it seems and I despise the experience. Just my personal preferences. They might be fine rifles, just don't personally care for them. I shot a Tikka T3 trying to help a guy sight it in. When I held it I kept waiting for the skies to part, the beams of light and angel voices to start, but nothing happened. After the shock wore off I got to looking the rifle over, it was quite disappointing really. Maybe I got a hold of a dud, but it wasn't for me. Didn't shoot for crap either, but again, it was an isolated exposure
I'm pretty disappointed in all the manufacturers offerings for the prices they demand actually. Most feel like crap or have Tupperware stocks or grainy triggers and bolts or rattle or just look cheap. I'm sure I'll just cannibalize some dangerous and fragile old school Remington if I want another bolt gun
I've never personally seen a broken bolt handle on any rifle that somebody wasn't threading or messing with. I personally don't know anybody that has had a M700 AD that didn't monkey with the trigger. I've read plenty about it and I'm sure it could happen, but haven't seen it or met anybody that has personally. I saw all kinds of pictures of blown up Glocks on the web before I bought mine, doesn't mean the owners were smart enough to own them. Doesn't mean they didn't fail. I've also never known anybody to have one explode on them. The number of guns in circulation versus the number of problems speaks more to me. No bolt action has or will come close to the number of M700's out there. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting one around here. Yes, I like swinging dead cats
Round bottom girls are best in any make foreign or domestic
Oh yea, I forgot. Bugholes, lights out, scary accurate, sub MOA, all day long as long as I do my part.
Captramrod01
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Originally Posted By: CatShooterThis has predictably turned into another stupid, "My favorite gun is better than everyone else's favorite gun."
Very lame and childish.
At least I gave you first hand experience and reasons why I have my preferences. I suppose I should of just sat back and typed out a 'lame and childish' one liner though. You win Cat.
Very lame and childish.
At least I gave you first hand experience and reasons why I have my preferences. I suppose I should of just sat back and typed out a 'lame and childish' one liner though. You win Cat.
Winny Fan
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Originally Posted By: CatShooter
This has predictably turned into another stupid, "My favorite gun is better than everyone else's favorite gun."
Very lame and childish.
That's how the thread began. The support with nodding keyboards simply didn't build like the OP had hoped it would.
This has predictably turned into another stupid, "My favorite gun is better than everyone else's favorite gun."
Very lame and childish.
That's how the thread began. The support with nodding keyboards simply didn't build like the OP had hoped it would.
BOBTAILS
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Originally Posted By: Winny FanOriginally Posted By: CatShooter
This has predictably turned into another stupid, "My favorite gun is better than everyone else's favorite gun."
Very lame and childish.
That's how the thread began. The support with nodding keyboards simply didn't build like the OP had hoped it would.
Ohh your showing how little you know and unitelligent you are. You have know idea how I hoped it would go. I think you need a new hobby.
This has predictably turned into another stupid, "My favorite gun is better than everyone else's favorite gun."
Very lame and childish.
That's how the thread began. The support with nodding keyboards simply didn't build like the OP had hoped it would.
Ohh your showing how little you know and unitelligent you are. You have know idea how I hoped it would go. I think you need a new hobby.
BOBTAILS
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I simply was wondering why the 700 was inferior to the Winchester or I guess any action. Know I have learned about some other actions some cool things they have some stuff I don't care for. Thanks to those who posted facts. All I have learned about you is how [beeep] ignorant you are.
Winny Fan
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Originally Posted By: BOBTAILSI simply was wondering why the 700 was inferior to the Winchester or I guess any action. Know I have learned about some other actions some cool things they have some stuff I don't care for. Thanks to those who posted facts. All I have learned about you is how [beeep] ignorant you are.
I simply posted some facts that you didn't seem to like.
If you'd like to call me names complete with vulgar references, including the one just above, PM me and I'll gladly listen to your ranting and I'll smile about it there too.
I simply posted some facts that you didn't seem to like.
If you'd like to call me names complete with vulgar references, including the one just above, PM me and I'll gladly listen to your ranting and I'll smile about it there too.
Originally Posted By: MongoMikeI have two riflesmiths, one in Missouri and one in Texas, that have built seven custom rifles for me. Both do nothing but custom builds and will not build on a Winchester 70 action. When I asked why, both gave me the two same primary reasons.
1. a round action (Remington) is much easier to blueprint well, something having to do with mounting it on a lathe for the many blueprinting operations.
2. without detailed blueprinting, it is more difficult to make the rifle shoot with super accuracy. What a custom riflesmith charges nowadays demands the rifle be super accurate, at least more accurate than factory. Both smiths claim they formerly did Win 70s, but could not guarantee the accuracy levels compared to the Rem 700s and Savages, and of course, the custom actions.
Take a look at the long range shooting game, and at our military snipers. They use over 90% Remington based actions. That tells me something.........
The only thing that tells me is that your chosen gunsmiths don't know how to use a 4 jaw chuck.
1. a round action (Remington) is much easier to blueprint well, something having to do with mounting it on a lathe for the many blueprinting operations.
2. without detailed blueprinting, it is more difficult to make the rifle shoot with super accuracy. What a custom riflesmith charges nowadays demands the rifle be super accurate, at least more accurate than factory. Both smiths claim they formerly did Win 70s, but could not guarantee the accuracy levels compared to the Rem 700s and Savages, and of course, the custom actions.
Take a look at the long range shooting game, and at our military snipers. They use over 90% Remington based actions. That tells me something.........
The only thing that tells me is that your chosen gunsmiths don't know how to use a 4 jaw chuck.
CatShooter
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Originally Posted By: FC363Originally Posted By: MongoMikeI have two riflesmiths, one in Missouri and one in Texas, that have built seven custom rifles for me. Both do nothing but custom builds and will not build on a Winchester 70 action. When I asked why, both gave me the two same primary reasons.
1. a round action (Remington) is much easier to blueprint well, something having to do with mounting it on a lathe for the many blueprinting operations.
2. without detailed blueprinting, it is more difficult to make the rifle shoot with super accuracy. What a custom riflesmith charges nowadays demands the rifle be super accurate, at least more accurate than factory. Both smiths claim they formerly did Win 70s, but could not guarantee the accuracy levels compared to the Rem 700s and Savages, and of course, the custom actions.
Take a look at the long range shooting game, and at our military snipers. They use over 90% Remington based actions. That tells me something.........
The only thing that tells me is that your chosen gunsmiths don't know how to use a 4 jaw chuck.
The M-70 has won it's share of matches - on paper and in wars.
One of the reasons it is not a favorite of the bench crowd is because the M-70 action uses square cut threads for the barrel, and the Remington uses 60° "V cut" threads.
That means to fit a barrel to an M-70 action, you have to work better and closer... you have to know what you are doing.
To match V threads, you can miss the mark by a mile, and they still self center - that alone is a BIG DEAL for a lot of gunsmiths.
1. a round action (Remington) is much easier to blueprint well, something having to do with mounting it on a lathe for the many blueprinting operations.
2. without detailed blueprinting, it is more difficult to make the rifle shoot with super accuracy. What a custom riflesmith charges nowadays demands the rifle be super accurate, at least more accurate than factory. Both smiths claim they formerly did Win 70s, but could not guarantee the accuracy levels compared to the Rem 700s and Savages, and of course, the custom actions.
Take a look at the long range shooting game, and at our military snipers. They use over 90% Remington based actions. That tells me something.........
The only thing that tells me is that your chosen gunsmiths don't know how to use a 4 jaw chuck.
The M-70 has won it's share of matches - on paper and in wars.
One of the reasons it is not a favorite of the bench crowd is because the M-70 action uses square cut threads for the barrel, and the Remington uses 60° "V cut" threads.
That means to fit a barrel to an M-70 action, you have to work better and closer... you have to know what you are doing.
To match V threads, you can miss the mark by a mile, and they still self center - that alone is a BIG DEAL for a lot of gunsmiths.
BOBTAILS
Active member
Originally Posted By: Winny FanOriginally Posted By: BOBTAILSI simply was wondering why the 700 was inferior to the Winchester or I guess any action. Know I have learned about some other actions some cool things they have some stuff I don't care for. Thanks to those who posted facts. All I have learned about you is how [beeep] ignorant you are.
I simply posted some facts that you didn't seem to like.
If you'd like to call me names complete with vulgar references, including the one just above, PM me and I'll gladly listen to your ranting and I'll smile about it there too.
No need I am all done with you.
I simply posted some facts that you didn't seem to like.
If you'd like to call me names complete with vulgar references, including the one just above, PM me and I'll gladly listen to your ranting and I'll smile about it there too.
No need I am all done with you.
Winny Fan
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Originally Posted By: BOBTAILSOriginally Posted By: Winny FanOriginally Posted By: BOBTAILSI simply was wondering why the 700 was inferior to the Winchester or I guess any action. Know I have learned about some other actions some cool things they have some stuff I don't care for. Thanks to those who posted facts. All I have learned about you is how [beeep] ignorant you are.
I simply posted some facts that you didn't seem to like.
If you'd like to call me names complete with vulgar references, including the one just above, PM me and I'll gladly listen to your ranting and I'll smile about it there too.
No need I am all done with you.
If so, I'm glad you finally got all of that out of your system. I was starting to think you might split a vein, or even worse, that a dog might get kicked or something.
I simply posted some facts that you didn't seem to like.
If you'd like to call me names complete with vulgar references, including the one just above, PM me and I'll gladly listen to your ranting and I'll smile about it there too.
No need I am all done with you.
If so, I'm glad you finally got all of that out of your system. I was starting to think you might split a vein, or even worse, that a dog might get kicked or something.
ShawneeB
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It doesn't go anywhere calling people out, or names. Everyone, well pretty everyone much loves what "they" have, what they choose to own, shoot, build on. Different features and designs for different folks, none are bad, or wrong. The thread does have some good info on action design.
All of you should take break and go play checkers, or do something worthwhile...This thread is locked..OT
All of you should take break and go play checkers, or do something worthwhile...This thread is locked..OT
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