Interesting Bullet Results...Share Your Experience

Hey Fred,
I bred Bean and got pick of the litter....Just picked him up last Friday.
Here is a pic of a little father son action, along with the redneck chew toy in the background.....it's going to be fun hauling both Bean and Tater around in about in about 6 months..

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Sorry for the the short HIJACK Barry.

continue on guys.
Kelly
 
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Just curious if anyone has tried the 63 gr. Sierra PSP. and what your results were?

I've found it to be very accurate in my 1/9 20" AR.

I've not shot a yote with these particular bullets, but on the PD's, I almost never have an exit, but appear to have IMMENSE internal damage (like mush).

While not a visually spectacular bullet like some of the specific varmit bullets, it's become one of my favorites.

Accuracy for me was much better than the VMaxes.

Anyway, just curious regarding others experience, (if any) with this bullet.

Hangtime.
 
I have just tried some of the prototype North West Custom Projectile RBBT .224" 65gr. bullets. They have a pretty thick jacket and at .223 Rem velocities tend to grow pretty nice mushrooms without over expansion. Accuracy is excellent for a hunting bullet from my BR. It is my understanding that they will be available in any weight from about 45 grains to 95 grains in the .224" diameter. They should be for sale in the next month.
John
 
knock'emdown, while you are impressed with the heaveir 65g Sierra, it is more of a deer bullet than a coyote bullet...tough.

I have always shot 24" bolt guns in 223 with a Sierra 55g Spt, 55g Sierra BTHP, or 55g Nosler Ballistic tip with a stout load of H322 that is going at or near 3400 fps. I do not remember many spinners or runners becase they had a huge hole in them.

When I was saving hides, I shot a load in a bolt gun 223 loaded with a 55g Winchester with 26.5g of 748 at 3050 fps.
More often than not, this soft core bullet did not go through the yote. Other guys that I hunted with, worried more about finding the coyotes that had been shot vs. the size of the exit wound. We just learned to sew up hides.

Generally spinners and runners happen because they are shot too far back of the diaphram.

In a 20" Mil spec chamber'd 223, velocity is down over what a bolt gun gives which leads to a lot of what people are experiencing on spinners and runners. As the velocity goes down, so does the size of the tempory wound cavity that is created by the bullet.

If a guy is expecting to make up for a shot too far back in the body, say the stomach area, then he needs to be shooting a 243 or a 25/06.

I checked the speed on my Colt CAR loaded with the accuracy load (26g of AA2460)with 55g Sierra BTHP and the speed was 2850 fps. While the CAR shot 3/4" groups, a 55g bullet at 2850 simply does not have a lot of ft/lbs at 200 yards, which means that I have ZERO margin of error on shot placement. Size of the chamber also something to do with velocity, not just the barrel length.

I'll tell you this, a Sierra 55g lead tip blitz at 3400 fps will often make a bad shot good when it comes to coyotes, and is super deadly at 300 yards. I guy really does not have to shoot much farther than this unless he is hunting in the Mid West where they troll and shoot them out of the truck. Shots at 300 yards should be very rare, depending on what part of the country you are in.

You guys that are shooting AR's that are having a lot of spinners and runners, you should have a good trigger put in your rifle. That factory trigger is not condusive to good accuracy and could be causing you to have poorer accuracy.

I shoot all the time. It is VERY difficult for me to sit down and shoot an AR with a 5 lb trigger pull.
 
I agree with the factory AR triggers being bad.
I have single stage JP's, Jard and Danny Cheatham "LazyD" just finished a touch up on a stock trigger trigger and did a great job.

getting to pop spinners twice with an AR is still fun.
 
I'm greatful for all the input....

I think I'll be better able to work something out when I get my reloader set up for .223...

I frankly think that if you are putting a bullet out there at 3000+ fps, & you are experiencing failure of the bullet to perform, then the jacket is TOO thick for that type of work. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

I get 50 cent piece size exits at 300 yards every time...And, I have shot a BUNCH of them at that range with a .223.
I had a coyote problem at the ranch in the mountains & called until they got wise...After that, I used a rank deer carcass whenever the chance arose to bait them...300 yards off my front deck. (You would be surprised how many coyotes you can kill that way)

I shoot an AR now, mostly.

If I were to roll my own & use the 60 gr V-Max, how fast could I push it & be accurate at the same time? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

Thanks,

Barry

P.S.- Kelly, I'd give ya $20 for that pup... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Barry,
From what I've read on this thread, I'll be odd man out here. I shoot the Barnes 36gr Grenade out of a 223. Don't have a chono so don't know how fast they are going. Out of all the coyotes I've shot here are the results. (I actually have records!!)
76% DRT
12% spinner
12% runner, but less than 30 yards before dropping.
The only full penetrations I get are tiny little fragments of copper that make it through. I very seldom have to sew up a hole. I usually do more damage fleshing them than I do shooting them /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
There ya have it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
M
 
I have always taken coyotes with larger rounds in the past, 6mm Rem, 7mm08, 308....DOA I went with the 22-250 for a dedicated yote rifle. I will reload for it but for the time being, I went with the Hornady 50gr Vmax factor round. I have taken 10 yotes with this rifle, 6 with the 50gr Vmax. The result, decisively dead on impact. I couldn't find the Hornady round when I needed more so I went with the 50gr Rem HP. Of the 4 taken with this load(all solid vital hits), none were a bang-flop. 2 made it about 10yds, 1 spun around in circles until a second shot finished him, 1 flotted for awhile before expiring. The Vmax has yet to exit, the 50gr HP has exited every time.

I will be sticking with the Vmax in a handload.
 
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gethuntin- I forgot twist rates make a difference, anyone have good combos in 22-250 with 1in14 twists.


I use the 55 Vmax in my 22-250 (1-14 twist) and have never had to use a follow up shot. Now, I have only been using them for the last 3 yrs and maybe taken around 20 yotes, but so far they have worked just great for me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

This is what I am now using:
55 Vmax - Moly
36.5 of H4895
Fed. match
 
I seem to have better results if the bullet leaves the muzzle at between 3300 and 3600 fps, I am not allthat sure that bullet weight makes as much difference as we think. Most of my experience has been with 221 or 222 rifles and 40 grain noslers work well. I think they are too light in a 223, I feel that a good 45 or 50 grain bullet would be about right. Sierra makes a 45 gr sp that is suposed to be a tough bullet and might work well and keep the velocity up where you want it. The reason I feel the 40 grains are too light is I seem to have larger exits than I would like.
 
My 2 cents I use the 50 gr v max out of my 22-250 doing 3800 fps and the results on yotes are no exits so far and all DRT..they also work great on woodchucks.
 
I just posted this elsewhere on this board. A great bullet for the 223 is a 50 or 55 grain Sierra Blitz. (Not Blitzking) Another good choice is the Hornady SPSX. Because of the light jacket max velocity is 3400 fps. Exit holes are about the size of a golf ball and the 55 grain may not exit at all.
 
pk1, +1 on the 55g Sierra Blitz in either the 223 or the 22/250.

With a max load of H322 in a 223, they are unreal accurate and very deadly. In the 22/250, loaded with a light load of 38.0g of H380, they are dragon slayers.
 
In reference to the 40 grain win bt, the nosler bt is essentially the same bullet. Where I live it is possible to have shots at coyotes at 300 to 500 yards, if preseted a shot in excess of 300 yds or an iffy shot over 250, there will be another day don't educate them. It would seem to me that in a less than perfect shot more velocity wouldbe better as in larger wound cavity and more hydrostatic shock but that is only philosify.
 
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knock'emdown, while you are impressed with the heaveir 65g Sierra, it is more of a deer bullet than a coyote bullet...tough.




Yup. And with 40-50lb yotes running around here, that's exactly why I'm using them! I'd rather a bullet smash through or break a shoulder than surface detonate and lose an animal. I aim for shoulders on yotes to do just that, not looking to save the meat with rib shots... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Yotes are tough to come by around these parts, and I want them DOWN when I hit 'em!

To be honest, I haven't killed enough coyotes to formulate an opinion one way or the other. And being a newbie reloader, I have only killed one with my handloads. Most all the others were killed with BH 55gr SPs with pretty good results. So if the 55SPs worked well, the 65grs pushed harder should only work better...

That said, I'll be toting the 6x45 this fall, LOL. And probably be shooting 65gr VMAXs from it... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Interesting info posted here guys...thanks!
 
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