Introducing Predator University

I can't understand how some guys have to be so negative about something that really dose'nt have anything do with them . If Tony has the nuts to move away from a Good job that is safe and secure to go out and make his way buy doing what he loves to do thats what built this country I hope he makes a ton of cash I want to give him some of my money to go down there and learn some new things and be around some one that likes to hunt anything and who has what I think has a talent that is not around much any more good guy that will teach you what he knows about hunting or calling or call making ,I think he has stepped up for this sport .Good luck Tony ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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Not saying its going to happen but i think we should be preparred for the worst. In case it don't work out or TT can't afford insurance and what not PM should maybe have a call auction. Take the money and put in a saveings account...Also TT close friends could sign up for classes to help him get going, and god knows they need all the help they can get... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



TA17rem...I don't know you, but I appreciate your concern for my personal finances. Believe me, I've done my homework on this business, before I started working on it. Will the schooling part fly? I'm unsure, but it appears that there is a market for it. A case in point:

http://midwestpredator.groupee.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6041018811/m/2731091682

Ok, I'm back to minding my own business....please do the same. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Thanks...Tony
 
I hope everything goes great for you and the
Family Tony /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
and I think if anyone can make it work it will be you /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
I'm going to start saving for a trip now. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
I would love to come and do some hunting with you /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
Best of luck for you and yours /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
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Tony I am very glad you have the passion and desire to try to make a living doing something that you love and have a passion for. There are many doubters that are to afraid to to step outside the box to persue their passions and dreams that will try to bring you down with them, but hold tough and go for it man. I beleive you have diversified you self enough with lions and hogs along with other predators that you will do just fine. Congrats, and may you make it a sucessful venture.
 
I don't understand all of the jealousy and negativity displayed towards Tony and his decission. What better job could you have than one you have a passion for and love to do?
Tony simply wants to provide a living for his family doing something he has a passion for and loves to do.
It seems some people are a little upset with Tony because of that. Fact is Tony has the guts to step up to the plate, accept the risk, reap the rewards, and pay the price of living life on his terms. Is that not what made this great nation what it is?

I have some good friends that own and opperate some large livestock ranches in Texas. Those ranches pay a large fee every year for predator control. I have four good friends who make a living providing that very service to rancher's. I have heard the name of Scott Huber mentioned, get ahold of Scott, and ask him how he makes a living. He will tell you in two words "predator control", and he is one of the best out there at it.
Tony is providing the very same service to the rancher's while providing a service for predator hunter's as well. If a new predator hunter want's to take advantage of Tony's knowledge and cut there learning curve or just want's to have a great time predator hunting what is wrong with that.

Last I heard this was a free country. The ranchers can do what they want, and allow who they want on there ground, after all they own it. Predator hunters who want to take advantage of Tony's service can certainly do that, after all it is there money they earned it.

As far as " predator University " goes, I know for a fact you are not going to gain the knowledge and experience Tony is offering, on your own for less money. Tony is also offering some FREE education and experience to younger predatore hunter's. Who's hands do you think the future of predator hunting is in?

I say way to go Tony I wish the very best of luck, and all the success in the world to you.
 
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Nice catch Tony,sounds like he needs to be your first customer!




It always comes out in the wash. Thats why if nothing can be said in a positive manner, nothing needs to be said at all /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif.

In Christ,

Song Dog
 
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I'm unsure, but it appears that there is a market for it. A case in point:

http://midwestpredator.groupee.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6041018811/m/2731091682



Thanks for bringing it up TT. Both of the guys mentioned in my post are some of the best coyote callers there is, they make there liveing at it and they both do very well or they wouldbe out of a job. Both are good friends and also mentors and if you are going to learn to do it right thses are the type of guys you learn it from... I've called coyotes all over the U.S. and southern coyotes are the easiest to call compared to other areas do to higher population levels..
Like i said in my post i have never called a coyote in my area due to hunting pressure, low numbers and what ever other reasons,thats just the way it is. I did a pole awhile back on the greatwhite north thread to see if anyone else from Mn. was have any success in the southern half of the state. One member said he had a couple for the year... Oh i got all kinds of info from other members of varies sites, been there done it. Then i went to the two guys mentioned in my post at M.W.P., thanks to them i got it done finally.
Last season was the first time i got to apply what i learned from them and it has been 100% success for me.
I went into a area just across the bourder late last winter for a day and called in and killed 7 coyotes in one day....All the credit goes to both of them...

On another note if you are such a good teacher then why move to Texas to hunt coyotes when you can do it in Iowa?
Iowa has some good numbers compared to where i live..
Could it be the coyotes are a little tougher to call, simular to where i live...
Do you think you can fill these guys shoes and others like them?? Do you think you can give them there money's worth and actualy make a good caller out of them..
Like i said calling coyotes in Texas is one thing, calling them in another state like Maine, Ohio, Dakotas is another..
You get a student from Indiana and take him out and oh boy this is easey and then he goes home and nada...Nothing personnal..T/[beeep]
 
Congratulations Tony!! Sounds like a great opportunity and I wish you nothing but the best. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
 
Tony, I think it'll work!!!

I know that you don't jump into anything halfcocked, ya it's a gamble, but you and I both know that the nay-sayers are always going to be the same guys stirring poop everytime they see an opportunity,,, I think you guys know who you are, no need to point you out.

This is a dream of yours and like that crazy cajun (ya know we luv ya Randy) said on that "other" site,,, it takes a big pair of nads to chase your dreams!!!

Go for it my friend,, We'll be there to support you!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
To me, it makes perfectly good business sense to put your clients/students into the best possible location to actually see and kill animals. Would you open a ski school in Florida? Offer guided cougar hunts in Pennsylvania? Probably not, if you really wanted to succeed. I couldn't imagine many people signing up for hunts if the chances of actually seeing or killing an animal were rare, and calling was difficult at best. Much less trying to teach them something about calling predators where there are few to begin.

Whether your selling lemonade or new cars, location is the key and I'd bet Tony has already thought that through. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
If we have learned anything on these boards it's that there is always somone ready to take a shot at a guy who is willing to try something new in the sport he loves. I say screw anyone who wishes Tony Ill fortune. Tony has been nothing but good to the OPHA. What some people do not know is that when we started Calls for kids in our club to teach kids about predator hunting it was Tony who stepped up and donated a TON of calls to that program. Not one year but the last 2 years we have been doing it. When we started a fund raiser to put on our club hunt Tony again stepped up and donated calls for us to auction off so we could afford to put on a hunt for our members. Tony is a class act who KNOWS predator hunting and how to make some very nice calls. Tony leads with his heart and not by running his mouth when it comes to bringing new hunters into our way of life. Tony is a friend who I respect for what he has donated call for kids who otherwise could not afford a call and for taking guys out hunting who have never had the ability to call a coyote themselves and he put their first one in front of them so they could see what the thrill of taking thier first predator is like. He went out of his way to help new predator hunters in our area start a club so they would have a home to come and learn from others as well as make it a place to make new friends. Thats where I stand on the subject, right beside Tony wishing him well.

God bless you and your family Tony, I look forward to seeing you more often now that your closer to us.



I should also mention there have been others who have donated calls to our kids program like Bearmanric, Arkyyoter, Hunter specialties, and more. I feel people like these really try to further our sport through their actions.
 
I always wonder if the guys who say that calling in Texas is so easy, have ever done any calling in Texas?

Texas is a big state, and there is a huge difference depending on which part of the state you are in.

For instance, East Texas (where I live) is ever bit as thick, populated and whatever else as many eastern states.

Central and West Texas is much more open and less populated, and propably have higher coyote numbers.

South Texas has high numbers of coyotes, but is also very thick, but a different kind of thick that East Texas.

I guess it makes people feel better to say the coyotes are easier to kill somwhere where other than where they are.
 
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To me, it makes perfectly good business sense to put your clients/students into the best possible location to actually see and kill animals. Would you open a ski school in Florida? Offer guided cougar hunts in Pennsylvania? Probably not, if you really wanted to succeed. I couldn't imagine many people signing up for hunts if the chances of actually seeing or killing an animal were rare, and calling was difficult at best. Much less trying to teach them something about calling predators where there are few to begin.

Whether your selling lemonade or new cars, location is the key and I'd bet Tony has already thought that through. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Lonny hit the head on the nail, with the Schooling. The analogy that I've been using is that you wouldn't start an elk calling school in Florida. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif It's simple, when it comes to wanting to teach new people about calling predators, you have to be in a predator rich environment.

Do I think I can make good callers out of new guys? That's a tough question. If they have the passion, willingness, and good woodsmanship...then Yes. We aren't talking Rocket Science here. We're talking about how to locate, call, fool a predator, and setting up stands that'll trick it into believing all the odds are stacked in it's favor. Terrains are different in various states, but more importantly is the predator population. One needs to be realistic in their expectations. I cover that topic.

Do I think I can fill shoes of the guys you mentioned or others like them? Nope. I don't compare myself to anyone. I have my own shoes to wear and my own plans and ideas. My goals are to show others a hunt of their lifetime, show them anything that I've learned over the years, and let them know there is no magic bullet or mystery to calling predators.

As far as Iowa...I'm a transplant here. We call a fair number of coyotes, but nothing near what we do at the other 6-8 states we travel to calling each season. I don't believe that the coyotes are 'tougher' to call, but more so a predator population issue. Not every coyote will come running into a call. Yet, he may on another day. A man would be a fool to think he could trick every one of them in his calling area. It's a numbers game.

I've been trying to figure out how to move/transfer to a more predator rich state for the past 20 years...because that's my only hobby. Texas, Oklahoma, and Idaho have been in my sights for many years. Say what you will, but I'm estatic at the thought of moving to Texas. My heart has been down there for many years.

Tony
 
Way to go Tony! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowingsmilie.gif
 
Congratulations Tony. I hope it all pans out for you. Sounds like you have your mind right about it and if it was ever going to work I think you could do it. Good Luck.

However, in principle I do not agree with the idea at all. I think spending the time out in the field to learn the things we have all learned is what builds our sportsman character and makes us fall in love with the sport. Learning all the little things on your own is what makes it fun and you eager to go out the next time. I think it kind of steals from the sport for someone to not experience and learn on their own.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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Not saying its going to happen but i think we should be preparred for the worst. In case it don't work out or TT can't afford insurance and what not PM should maybe have a call auction. Take the money and put in a saveings account...Also TT close friends could sign up for classes to help him get going, and god knows they need all the help they can get... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



TA17rem...I don't know you, but I appreciate your concern for my personal finances. Believe me, I've done my homework on this business, before I started working on it. Will the schooling part fly? I'm unsure, but it appears that there is a market for it. A case in point:

http://midwestpredator.groupee.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6041018811/m/2731091682

Ok, I'm back to minding my own business....please do the same. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Thanks...Tony





Tony,

It would appear as if your skills in calling in 4 legged critters with beautiful hand made calls is only exceeded by your ability to call in 2 legged critters over the web with electronic calls. Nice catch.

Yes, clearly an example of some ugly professional jealousy.
 
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Learning curve; Some have learned by a personal long drawn out process, making many mistakes along that trail.

Other's have had a mentor, no doubt that have shown or answered some questions from the less or in experienced. A smart hunter[IMO] would learn/obsorb from an experienced mentor. Then [apply] & learn/improve upon[perhaps], from his/her own experience's along the way. I prefer the latter. As life, can be fleeting.

Naysayer's, I love that. Naysayer's @ times lack the vary experience/knowledge. They so proudly try to pound up another's colon, LOL!

I reflect, back upon the infamous stained coyotes & [WILD] fur farm Red's. Priceless /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
"learning curve"

There is a difference between having a mentor and taking a weekend class. Those mistakes we make along the way are what make us what we are today. Learning from them builds who you are as a hunter. We all have mentors. I have had many but its just like on the job site, experience is more important than education. Bottom line. BUT i agree they do supplement each other. I think the ones that will take the class for the most part will be the less experienced so it will not be supplementing it as well. We will see. Again good luck Tony, I am not bashing you i just have a old school point of view on things like that(weird for a 26 year old).
 
I can totally respect that Patterson. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

Like you said, this is a weekend-type of class. A 'predator primer' if you will, for guys that want to learn the ropes and get started off on the right foot. I meet alot of guys who are interested in calling, but are absolutely clueless where to begin. Heck, I know of 5 of them, here at work. That's where I want to help. I agree that the mistakes we make is what builds us. That's what makes us all unique.

The Instructional Hunts are more focussed around the 'mentor' arena, and the lion's share of our business will be guided hunts.

PS. I am humbled by all the responses to this thread. Both positive and negative. I'm just trying to put a roof over my family's head, by doing what I love. You only live once.

Thanks...Tony
 
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