Foxpro.223
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Iran War Drives Spirit Airlines Out of Business
State of the Union: The struggling budget airline collapsed Saturday due to skyrocketing fuel prices.
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Iranian Uprising
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Foxpro.223
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Trump: U.S. Won Iran War, But Bombing Will Continue If Iran Doesn’t Submit to Demands
President Trump told PBS’s Liz Landers that bombing will continue unless Iran knuckles under to American demands.
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People are abandoning principles they claimed mattered for years. The second you criticize your own side, you get labeled a liberal, a traitor, or someone rooting for the country to fail. And once you see that pattern, you realize a painful truth:
A lot of people were never standing on principle. They were standing on loyalty.
The shift is subtle but consistent. Accountability used to be the baseline demand. Now it’s selectively applied—accepted only when it targets the opposing side. The same voices that once demanded transparency and investigations now treat scrutiny as betrayal the moment it moves inward.
What calls itself the “church of painful truth” often functions like every other echo chamber: outrage is only acceptable when it points outward.
For years, we cheered exposing corruption. DOGE was celebrated. Biden’s four years were framed as an endless cycle of scandals and abuse of power. But now, when there are repeated market-moving statements tied to negotiations, ceasefires, reversals, and public messaging, even asking for scrutiny is treated as “conspiracy theorist.”
And this is happening while one of the largest bombing campaigns in modern history has quietly shifted into economic warfare. Meanwhile, people flood social media with memes cheering for their side, detached from the real-world consequences being absorbed by everyone else.
There is no need to assume coordination to recognize the pattern: repeated market-sensitive messaging and timing raises legitimate questions that deserve investigation. That should not be controversial if accountability is real and not selective.
Funny how urgency around accountability disappears the moment it stops pointing in one direction.
The problem is simple: too many people don’t actually want principles applied equally. They want them applied strategically.
Everyone loves “painful truth” when it hurts the other side. The real test is whether you still want it when it’s inconvenient for your own.
Because principles are only real when they cost you something.
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A lot of people were never standing on principle. They were standing on loyalty.
The shift is subtle but consistent. Accountability used to be the baseline demand. Now it’s selectively applied—accepted only when it targets the opposing side. The same voices that once demanded transparency and investigations now treat scrutiny as betrayal the moment it moves inward.
What calls itself the “church of painful truth” often functions like every other echo chamber: outrage is only acceptable when it points outward.
For years, we cheered exposing corruption. DOGE was celebrated. Biden’s four years were framed as an endless cycle of scandals and abuse of power. But now, when there are repeated market-moving statements tied to negotiations, ceasefires, reversals, and public messaging, even asking for scrutiny is treated as “conspiracy theorist.”
And this is happening while one of the largest bombing campaigns in modern history has quietly shifted into economic warfare. Meanwhile, people flood social media with memes cheering for their side, detached from the real-world consequences being absorbed by everyone else.
There is no need to assume coordination to recognize the pattern: repeated market-sensitive messaging and timing raises legitimate questions that deserve investigation. That should not be controversial if accountability is real and not selective.
Funny how urgency around accountability disappears the moment it stops pointing in one direction.
The problem is simple: too many people don’t actually want principles applied equally. They want them applied strategically.
Everyone loves “painful truth” when it hurts the other side. The real test is whether you still want it when it’s inconvenient for your own.
Because principles are only real when they cost you something.
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Online sleuths are raising more red flags around suspiciously timed Iran-war oil trades
Online sleuths are raising more red flags around suspiciously timed Iran-war oil trades
Some investing pros flagged well-timed trading in the oil market ahead of the latest reports of a US-Iran peace deal.
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Another Well-Timed Oil Trade Ahead of Iran News Raises Eyebrows
DOJ probing $2.6 billion in oil trades related to Iran war, sources say
DOJ probing $2.6 billion in oil trades related to Iran war, sources say
Federal officials are probing at least four of these trades, sources said.
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Mysterious trader buys $56 million in oil ahead of UAE attack
Another well-timed oil trade is adding to a growing pattern that has traders on edge during the war.The Well-Timed Trades Made Moments Before Trump’s Policy Surprises
The president’s critics have raised concerns about the action in oil futures, S&P 500 ETF options and prediction markets
Y’all got any more of those ultra-serious, definitely-not-recycled memes calling out the left? I’m trying to keep my ‘painful truth’ subscription current.
lol, slick
Widow maker 223
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People are abandoning principles they claimed mattered for years. The second you criticize your own side, you get labeled a liberal, a traitor, or someone rooting for the country to fail. And once you see that pattern, you realize a painful truth:
A lot of people were never standing on principle. They were standing on loyalty.
The shift is subtle but consistent. Accountability used to be the baseline demand. Now it’s selectively applied—accepted only when it targets the opposing side. The same voices that once demanded transparency and investigations now treat scrutiny as betrayal the moment it moves inward.
What calls itself the “church of painful truth” often functions like every other echo chamber: outrage is only acceptable when it points outward.
For years, we cheered exposing corruption. DOGE was celebrated. Biden’s four years were framed as an endless cycle of scandals and abuse of power. But now, when there are repeated market-moving statements tied to negotiations, ceasefires, reversals, and public messaging, even asking for scrutiny is treated as “conspiracy theorist.”
And this is happening while one of the largest bombing campaigns in modern history has quietly shifted into economic warfare. Meanwhile, people flood social media with memes cheering for their side, detached from the real-world consequences being absorbed by everyone else.
There is no need to assume coordination to recognize the pattern: repeated market-sensitive messaging and timing raises legitimate questions that deserve investigation. That should not be controversial if accountability is real and not selective.
Funny how urgency around accountability disappears the moment it stops pointing in one direction.
The problem is simple: too many people don’t actually want principles applied equally. They want them applied strategically.
Everyone loves “painful truth” when it hurts the other side. The real test is whether you still want it when it’s inconvenient for your own.
Because principles are only real when they cost you something.
Markets
Online sleuths are raising more red flags around suspiciously timed Iran-war oil trades
Online sleuths are raising more red flags around suspiciously timed Iran-war oil trades
Some investing pros flagged well-timed trading in the oil market ahead of the latest reports of a US-Iran peace deal.
LIVE
3 hours ago
Another Well-Timed Oil Trade Ahead of Iran News Raises Eyebrows
DOJ probing $2.6 billion in oil trades related to Iran war, sources say
DOJ probing $2.6 billion in oil trades related to Iran war, sources say
Federal officials are probing at least four of these trades, sources said.
Mysterious trader buys $56 million in oil ahead of UAE attack
Another well-timed oil trade is adding to a growing pattern that has traders on edge during the war.
The Well-Timed Trades Made Moments Before Trump’s Policy Surprises
The president’s critics have raised concerns about the action in oil futures, S&P 500 ETF options and prediction markets
The gov has been nothing but a shitshow for decades. I dont stand on one side or the other but for principles that most dont have. The oil trades are obviously suspect.
Foxpro.223
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Another thing is if the economy continues to dwindle down crime will go up too.
Here we go again
I vote for whatever is best for 2A. Without it, all others would/ will be null n void.
I despise the Rs (almost) as much as Ds.
Neither party's have stuck to what thier principles were even 40 years ago.
Both sicken me and BOTH are to blame what this country has become!.
I despise the Rs (almost) as much as Ds.
Neither party's have stuck to what thier principles were even 40 years ago.
Both sicken me and BOTH are to blame what this country has become!.
State-run media at Fox News reports that while the Trump regime continues its “limited kinetic misunderstandings” with the IRGC — along with the occasional engagement involving civilian vessels in international waters — negotiations are reportedly “going very well,” and officials remain optimistic a peace deal will be finalized by close of business today, just after the Dow closes and before the evening ratings cycle. 
Foxpro.223
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Thank God it's Friday. We'll see how "peaceful negotiations" go over the weekend.
Here's a little historical recap about hamas.
Here's a little historical recap about hamas.
DoubleUp
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Like I said previously, you guys are way above my pay grade so with that in mind, let's imagine that you were President.
1) What would you do about Iran?
2) Assuming your answer isn't "nothing" which has basically been the status quo for 47 years while they chant death to America and kill Americans. How would you go about it?
3) The mistakes which this Admin has apparently made in your scenario, how would you have handled it differently?
4) To get out of this mess, quagmire, etc., what would you to today?
1) What would you do about Iran?
2) Assuming your answer isn't "nothing" which has basically been the status quo for 47 years while they chant death to America and kill Americans. How would you go about it?
3) The mistakes which this Admin has apparently made in your scenario, how would you have handled it differently?
4) To get out of this mess, quagmire, etc., what would you to today?
State run media CNN reports that while the Trump regime continues to stress the ceasefire is still in effect, independent fact-checkers are currently debating whether “ceasefire” now officially qualifies as a real-world condition or just a flexible talking point with intermittent exceptions.
Officials note that negotiations remain “progressing steadily,” despite occasional moments of what the Pentagon has described as “mutually understood disagreement events.”
Meanwhile, Senator Marco Rubio’s recent comment — “only stupid countries don’t shoot back” — is already being reviewed by linguists who observed it may or may not have been transliterated directly from a Trump rally transcript, just with slightly better grammar and fewer golf references.
CNN’s panel coverage is expected to continue through the evening, or until someone can definitively explain whether the ceasefire is paused, active, symbolic, aspirational, or simply “operating in a flexible interpretive phase.”
Officials note that negotiations remain “progressing steadily,” despite occasional moments of what the Pentagon has described as “mutually understood disagreement events.”
Meanwhile, Senator Marco Rubio’s recent comment — “only stupid countries don’t shoot back” — is already being reviewed by linguists who observed it may or may not have been transliterated directly from a Trump rally transcript, just with slightly better grammar and fewer golf references.
CNN’s panel coverage is expected to continue through the evening, or until someone can definitively explain whether the ceasefire is paused, active, symbolic, aspirational, or simply “operating in a flexible interpretive phase.”
Not gonna pretend I’ve got a magic answer here either — this is way above both of our paygrades.
From a practical standpoint, Iran isn’t something you “fix” with one move. It’s a long-running mix of pressure, retaliation, proxy conflicts, and backchannel diplomacy. Every option has tradeoffs: do too little and you look weak, do too much and you risk dragging everyone into a wider mess.
On the specific question of “what would you do,” the honest answer is most people only get to react to pieces of the puzzle, not the full board. That includes intelligence, timing, and classified info we don’t see. So it’s hard to confidently say “I would’ve done X” without that context.
I’ll also be straight about where I’m at personally: I did support the initial rhetoric when it leaned toward attacking. It made sense at the time from a deterrence standpoint. But I also don’t have access to what they were seeing behind closed doors when those calls were made.
What I have a harder time with isn’t the idea of action itself — it’s the lack of honesty afterward. If something goes sideways, I’d rather hear “we misjudged that” or “we underestimated the fallout” or "we ****** up" than watching the story get reshaped in real time to fit whatever the current line is. People can accept mistakes. What they don’t trust is being spun while they’re still watching it unfold.
At this point, the goal shouldn’t be pretending anyone has it perfectly right — it’s getting stability back without doubling down on whatever isn’t working.
At this point, it doesn’t even feel like either side is “winning.” It feels more like stubbornness and trying to figure out who ends up losing worse. History usually shows that when conflicts get driven by ego, optics, and refusing to back down, regular people end up paying the bill while politicians argue over who gets to declare victory and line their pockets.
What worries me most is the economic wave coming from this: higher energy costs, instability in trade routes, loss of standing on the world stage, and losing our foothold in the region. Iran doesn’t have to be a superpower to cripple the world economy. Before February 28, 2026, I honestly didn’t think they had that kind of leverage. Now I do. And the longer this drags on, the bigger that wave headed our way is going to get.
So instead of these pretend negotiations with a goat in Pakistan and endless posturing, pull the band-aid off. Shit or get off the pot. If strikes are going to resume, then do it now, because the consequences are going to be grim either way. Or accept the Vietnam-style “win,” declare victory on TV, and pull out while they effectively control international waters anyway.
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What worries me most is the economic wave coming from this: higher energy costs, instability in trade routes, loss of standing on the world stage, and losing our foothold in the region. Iran doesn’t have to be a superpower to cripple the world economy. Before February 28, 2026, I honestly didn’t think they had that kind of leverage. Now I do. And the longer this drags on, the bigger that wave headed our way is going to get.
So instead of these pretend negotiations with a goat in Pakistan and endless posturing, pull the band-aid off. Shit or get off the pot. If strikes are going to resume, then do it now, because the consequences are going to be grim either way. Or accept the Vietnam-style “win,” declare victory on TV, and pull out while they effectively control international waters anyway.
Iran Launches "Persian Gulf Strait Authority" to Administer Hormuz Tolls
After Iran announced its plan to charge for safe passage through the Strait of Hormuz in March, a plethora of scam operators popped up to offer fraud...
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Oh wait a second, I forgot to mention the nuclear dust. Wasn’t that supposed to be the main objective here? Sorry if my priorities got sidetracked watching the economy, trade routes, oil markets, and our standing on the world stage circle the drain while everyone argues over optics and who gets to save face on television.
Good luck with the crusade though. I’m sure the Iranians will gladly help us dig up what’s left of the original objective after the region finishes burning through the “limited conflict” phase.
Good luck with the crusade though. I’m sure the Iranians will gladly help us dig up what’s left of the original objective after the region finishes burning through the “limited conflict” phase.
Do you really think we are winning?
The first week, Trump said there would be no talks, only unconditional surrender. Then reality showed up. The population did not rise up and overthrow, we started running low on ammo, shipping lanes turned into a mess, the threat of a world economic catastrophe became very real, and then came the “a whole civilization could be wiped out” rhetoric. But when the moment arrived, the tone suddenly changed from “total victory” to “we want to make a deal.”
Iran’s demands really haven’t changed. They still want nuclear capability and control over the Strait. So if we were truly “winning,” why did we suddenly stop at the 10-yard line and pivot straight into negotiations? Teams that are winning usually don’t call timeout right before the endzone to ask for a revised peace agreement.
Trump tore up Obama’s deal saying it was weak, spent years escalating pressure, and now after a costly conflict we’re trying to get them to agree to a deal that’s at least not as weak as the last one. And their position remains: NO.
So if this isn’t a quagmire yet, it’ll do until one shows up.
SixsixtyMags
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I agree with a lot of what's being posted:
BUT!
My thinking is that us and the entire middle east does not want Iran to have nuclear weapons or the missiles capable of reaching the US. If anyone thinks that prices are high now think what would happen if Iran ended up with hundreds or even thousands of nuclear weapons and decide to annihilate Israel, worse yet if they distributed them to their proxies.
Most people don't realize that international waters are only 12 mi. off our coast, if/when Iran would have submarines, they wouldn't even need ICBM's, cruise missiles are fully capable of delivering nuclear munitions.
We aren't as safe as we think we are, the US could not stop a massive nuclear attack thus the MAD or Mutually Assured Destruction policy, can only hope it never comes to that!
BUT!
My thinking is that us and the entire middle east does not want Iran to have nuclear weapons or the missiles capable of reaching the US. If anyone thinks that prices are high now think what would happen if Iran ended up with hundreds or even thousands of nuclear weapons and decide to annihilate Israel, worse yet if they distributed them to their proxies.
Most people don't realize that international waters are only 12 mi. off our coast, if/when Iran would have submarines, they wouldn't even need ICBM's, cruise missiles are fully capable of delivering nuclear munitions.
We aren't as safe as we think we are, the US could not stop a massive nuclear attack thus the MAD or Mutually Assured Destruction policy, can only hope it never comes to that!
DoubleUp
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It is pretty bad that most of us don't trust the government and with good reason. We've been lied to so many times that it is impossible to really get to the truth. Then there is the military industrial complex always pushing for war which brings more money, and new weapons to wage war with. I guess there must be a handful of politicians who are sincerely trying to do the right thing, but most of them are there to enrich themselves on the government largess. In your case Infidel, you've seen it up close and personal and I'm sure seen buddies blown to pieces in Iraq and perhaps Afghanistan as well, so it is easy to understand that you know the real effects of war and the deceit and lies that get good young men and women killed. So, it really is above my pay grade, and I don't know the answers either. You either kick the can down the road as we've done or you attempt to put an end to it before it goes nuclear. Will it be successful? I doubt that anybody really knows the outcome in a kinetic situation like this with so many variables.
I remember Rush Limbaugh saying years ago that the only way to "win" a war is to make continuing it unbearable for one side or the other. I believe that is true, but can we do it? Do we have the intestinal fortitude to do it today? Could we fight and win WWII in today's environment? I can't imagine the outrage if we lost 89,500 troops in a six-week period like the Battle of the Bulge in late1944 through Jan. 45.
I remember Rush Limbaugh saying years ago that the only way to "win" a war is to make continuing it unbearable for one side or the other. I believe that is true, but can we do it? Do we have the intestinal fortitude to do it today? Could we fight and win WWII in today's environment? I can't imagine the outrage if we lost 89,500 troops in a six-week period like the Battle of the Bulge in late1944 through Jan. 45.