IRS raid of Colo gun shop
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Coyotejunki
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Originally Posted By: roper
I have a hard time understanding how someone goes to a gun show here buys from private seller then does background check and pays for it thru a FFL, then protest background check on private sale and it be done same way thru a FFL.
You can spin it anyway you want but there lot that didn't about our gun shows here and the back ground checks are ready required
Roper, Not everyone is as willing to give up their rights as maybe some others are? Even giving up the right to a private sale, it is a right, no matter how big or small. I guess the gun grabbers may tell you the next right, or group of rights you should give up, since giving up one's rights appears to not be such a big deal to some. After all it is just common sense, for the children, just the right thing to do... I mean after all we have to compromise some more, they never do, but we have too.
I have a hard time understanding how someone goes to a gun show here buys from private seller then does background check and pays for it thru a FFL, then protest background check on private sale and it be done same way thru a FFL.
You can spin it anyway you want but there lot that didn't about our gun shows here and the back ground checks are ready required
Roper, Not everyone is as willing to give up their rights as maybe some others are? Even giving up the right to a private sale, it is a right, no matter how big or small. I guess the gun grabbers may tell you the next right, or group of rights you should give up, since giving up one's rights appears to not be such a big deal to some. After all it is just common sense, for the children, just the right thing to do... I mean after all we have to compromise some more, they never do, but we have too.
CatShooter
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Originally Posted By: tactical assaultOriginally Posted By: DonDOriginally Posted By: pyscodogOnly two things on the show worth watching...Mom and daughter!!
Not into silicone on women, natural is vastly better. Don
"They all taste the same unless they are dirty", not that dirty taste bad, just different....
What do you have against dirty women - I like dirty women
Gun cleaning dirt, motorcycle cleaning dirt, house cleaning dirt... or that other kind of dirt.
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Not into silicone on women, natural is vastly better. Don
"They all taste the same unless they are dirty", not that dirty taste bad, just different....
What do you have against dirty women - I like dirty women
Gun cleaning dirt, motorcycle cleaning dirt, house cleaning dirt... or that other kind of dirt.
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Originally Posted By: CatShooterOriginally Posted By: tactical assaultOriginally Posted By: DonDOriginally Posted By: pyscodogOnly two things on the show worth watching...Mom and daughter!!
Not into silicone on women, natural is vastly better. Don
"They all taste the same unless they are dirty", not that dirty taste bad, just different....
What do you have against dirty women - I like dirty women
Gun cleaning dirt, motorcycle cleaning dirt, house cleaning dirt... or that other kind.
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LMAO!!! I like dirt myself too - heck, my degree is in Soils!!!
Not into silicone on women, natural is vastly better. Don
"They all taste the same unless they are dirty", not that dirty taste bad, just different....
What do you have against dirty women - I like dirty women
Gun cleaning dirt, motorcycle cleaning dirt, house cleaning dirt... or that other kind.
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LMAO!!! I like dirt myself too - heck, my degree is in Soils!!!
Just a guess here, but I would think that all the cash sales on T.V. probably got the IRS' attention in the first place. Seriously, flying around in a helicopter every week with 10 or 20 grand cash probably raises a red flag or two.
Maybe showboating on national television isn't the wisest idea. I hope he had all those cash sales documented on his taxes
Maybe showboating on national television isn't the wisest idea. I hope he had all those cash sales documented on his taxes
CatShooter
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Originally Posted By: filmitJust a guess here, but I would think that all the cash sales on T.V. probably got the IRS' attention in the first place. Seriously, flying around in a helicopter every week with 10 or 20 grand cash probably raises a red flag or two.
Maybe showboating on national television isn't the wisest idea. I hope he had all those cash sales documented on his taxes
You got that right on.
I've worked in the gun business - in one of the most successful gun stores east of the Mississippi, way-back-when.
While there is money in it, there ain't "helicopter" and "suitcase-full-of-cash" money in it.
And he wasn't buying antiques from dumb widow women for chump change, he was dealin' with guys that knew the values... so his margins were slim.
After that show, if I was the IRS, I'd be on them like a cat on a rat.
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Maybe showboating on national television isn't the wisest idea. I hope he had all those cash sales documented on his taxes
You got that right on.
I've worked in the gun business - in one of the most successful gun stores east of the Mississippi, way-back-when.
While there is money in it, there ain't "helicopter" and "suitcase-full-of-cash" money in it.
And he wasn't buying antiques from dumb widow women for chump change, he was dealin' with guys that knew the values... so his margins were slim.
After that show, if I was the IRS, I'd be on them like a cat on a rat.
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tactical assault
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Originally Posted By: CatShooterOriginally Posted By: tactical assaultOriginally Posted By: DonDOriginally Posted By: pyscodogOnly two things on the show worth watching...Mom and daughter!!
Not into silicone on women, natural is vastly better. Don
"They all taste the same unless they are dirty", not that dirty taste bad, just different....
What do you have against dirty women - I like dirty women
Gun cleaning dirt, motorcycle cleaning dirt, house cleaning dirt... or that other kind.
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Brother in arms, you took my quote the wrong way. I'm all about dirty!!!! like I said they don't taste bad, just different.. and different ain't bad.
Not into silicone on women, natural is vastly better. Don
"They all taste the same unless they are dirty", not that dirty taste bad, just different....
What do you have against dirty women - I like dirty women
Gun cleaning dirt, motorcycle cleaning dirt, house cleaning dirt... or that other kind.
.
Brother in arms, you took my quote the wrong way. I'm all about dirty!!!! like I said they don't taste bad, just different.. and different ain't bad.
hickerx2
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“What this bill does is recognize if you choose the dangerous path of manufacturing, selling, acquiring or shooting one of these guns, you’ll be held to a very high standard of responsibility because you put all of us at risk,” Morse said
This moron should be set adrift in shark-infested waters with a leaky boat
This moron should be set adrift in shark-infested waters with a leaky boat
blopez50
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Originally Posted By: 6724Originally Posted By: roperOriginally Posted By: jim87formulaI can't believe that they had no cameras in their shop? After all the thousands of dollars they rip off people and plus being highlighted in a TV show, kinda knew that guy was a tard.... also you CO residents, I feel sorry for yall about the new law, dumbest thing I have ever heard!
It's kind of funny about some of what their trying to past here.
I'm not sure about what year after the Columbine shooting the gun shows in Denver and Colorado Springs have required background check on all purchases of firearms even private sellers. I forget how much the fee is and I've purchased from private seller got background check never bother me.
We have guys in our gun club that are private sellers that have tables at the local shows here in the Springs buy and sell at those shows. Never seen anyone at those shows protesting required background check there on a private sell.
I think the Tanner shows rest of state require background checks.
I understand what the state is trying to do on background checks. Some of those shows be a line wait for background checks why did we agree to that now were suppose to protest what we've or some of us are have agree to do in the past.
your grammer, punctuation and spelling make it tough to decipher what you are saying, so if i got you wrong i am sorry.
it seems to me that you are suggesting that "universal background checks" are no big deal and that if no one cared about checks at gunshows, why should we care now?
first off, a "universal background check" would prohibit a father from giving his son or daughter their first 22 at the age of 12. it would prohibit a husband from giving his wife a self defense carry gun, or a wife from surprising a husband with a new back up gun for his trip to alaska.
but i see a far more dangerous part to our freedoms if this law passes. the new law would prohibit sales between ALL private parties without it going through a dealer or a check. how would the state know when the gun was sold, was it before or after the law went into effect? the only way the law could be effectively enforced is if they registered all guns so they could tell who had what when!
otherwise i could sell to someone a gun that i bought 20 years ago and we could both claim that i sold it to them in 2012, and no one could prove otherwise. also, say a friend flies in from out of state to hunt elk, and his rifle doesnt show up because of the airlines, it would be illegal for him to possess one of yours!
far too many unintended consequences from this law down the road. it is a dangerous time for our freedoms. EVERYONE who owns a gun or shoots someone elses gun should be writing and calling their state reps, and demanding that they vote no on all of these feel good laws!
There's nothing like using a lowercase letter to start a sentence that is meant to flame a guy for poor grammar!
It's kind of funny about some of what their trying to past here.
I'm not sure about what year after the Columbine shooting the gun shows in Denver and Colorado Springs have required background check on all purchases of firearms even private sellers. I forget how much the fee is and I've purchased from private seller got background check never bother me.
We have guys in our gun club that are private sellers that have tables at the local shows here in the Springs buy and sell at those shows. Never seen anyone at those shows protesting required background check there on a private sell.
I think the Tanner shows rest of state require background checks.
I understand what the state is trying to do on background checks. Some of those shows be a line wait for background checks why did we agree to that now were suppose to protest what we've or some of us are have agree to do in the past.
your grammer, punctuation and spelling make it tough to decipher what you are saying, so if i got you wrong i am sorry.
it seems to me that you are suggesting that "universal background checks" are no big deal and that if no one cared about checks at gunshows, why should we care now?
first off, a "universal background check" would prohibit a father from giving his son or daughter their first 22 at the age of 12. it would prohibit a husband from giving his wife a self defense carry gun, or a wife from surprising a husband with a new back up gun for his trip to alaska.
but i see a far more dangerous part to our freedoms if this law passes. the new law would prohibit sales between ALL private parties without it going through a dealer or a check. how would the state know when the gun was sold, was it before or after the law went into effect? the only way the law could be effectively enforced is if they registered all guns so they could tell who had what when!
otherwise i could sell to someone a gun that i bought 20 years ago and we could both claim that i sold it to them in 2012, and no one could prove otherwise. also, say a friend flies in from out of state to hunt elk, and his rifle doesnt show up because of the airlines, it would be illegal for him to possess one of yours!
far too many unintended consequences from this law down the road. it is a dangerous time for our freedoms. EVERYONE who owns a gun or shoots someone elses gun should be writing and calling their state reps, and demanding that they vote no on all of these feel good laws!
There's nothing like using a lowercase letter to start a sentence that is meant to flame a guy for poor grammar!
Stirling XD
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The stuff on that show was more than a little over the top in the drama department. The way he worked many of his sales and purchases made me wonder if he wasn't laundering money for the mob.
And since this thread has been hijacked by the background check discussion, I'll add my $0.02 worth as well. The main purpose of background checks on private sales is to build a more complete database of gun owners and what they own. In order for a gun ban to be successful, the "king" has to have a thorough list of gun owners. Otherwise, people will turn in the guns they know are on the list (or decide fight it out over them) and then hide the rest. Private gun sales are that aren't tracked is one of the biggest hurdles to a more complete database.
And since this thread has been hijacked by the background check discussion, I'll add my $0.02 worth as well. The main purpose of background checks on private sales is to build a more complete database of gun owners and what they own. In order for a gun ban to be successful, the "king" has to have a thorough list of gun owners. Otherwise, people will turn in the guns they know are on the list (or decide fight it out over them) and then hide the rest. Private gun sales are that aren't tracked is one of the biggest hurdles to a more complete database.
Mr Potato Head
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Omitted. Sorry looked like I hijacked this thread.
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I thought that there were some interesting, made-from-scratch guns on the program but so many of the projects were insanely overpriced as several of the posters have noted. Also as others have mentioned, too much made for TV drama.
I always thought the exploding target and such were dumb.
Rich Wyatt and the lead gunsmith had a booth at this year's SHOT Show. I spoke with Rich briefly and for some reason when I made a comment to the effect that the shooting industry was doing a poor job of educating the public about the difference between a semi auto and a military full auto assault weapon, he turned his head and ignored me. Don
I always thought the exploding target and such were dumb.
Rich Wyatt and the lead gunsmith had a booth at this year's SHOT Show. I spoke with Rich briefly and for some reason when I made a comment to the effect that the shooting industry was doing a poor job of educating the public about the difference between a semi auto and a military full auto assault weapon, he turned his head and ignored me. Don
I think the IRS raided him cause he is always flashing the cash and Gold, not to mention the silver, and i am sure they were thinking that the IRS wasn't getting their full share..
You may not like the guy, but he is running a business and trying to make the best of it that he can. I respect that. I wouldn't want to hang out with him, but don't hate him either.
What i don't like, is the idea of a goverment agency doing a raid because they feel they are getting cheated out of their share of the money despite the fact that they didn't do anything to earn it.
You may not like the guy, but he is running a business and trying to make the best of it that he can. I respect that. I wouldn't want to hang out with him, but don't hate him either.
What i don't like, is the idea of a goverment agency doing a raid because they feel they are getting cheated out of their share of the money despite the fact that they didn't do anything to earn it.
Brad Phillips
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Seemed like all hat and no cattle to me.
Greg_Meyer
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Originally Posted By: Brad PhillipsSeemed like all hat and no cattle to me.
+1
+1
Powerfisher
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Originally Posted By: tactical assaultOriginally Posted By: DonDOriginally Posted By: pyscodogOnly two things on the show worth watching...Mom and daughter!!
Not into silicone on women, natural is vastly better. Don
They all taste the same unless they are dirty, not that dirty taste bad, just different....
Made soda come out of my nose..
Not into silicone on women, natural is vastly better. Don
They all taste the same unless they are dirty, not that dirty taste bad, just different....
Made soda come out of my nose..
Doubleplay
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Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZI think the IRS raided him cause he is always flashing the cash and Gold, not to mention the silver, and i am sure they were thinking that the IRS wasn't getting their full share..
You may not like the guy, but he is running a business and trying to make the best of it that he can. I respect that. I wouldn't want to hang out with him, but don't hate him either.
What i don't like, is the idea of a goverment agency doing a raid because they feel they are getting cheated out of their share of the money despite the fact that they didn't do anything to earn it.
The first two paragraphs of your post I totally agree with but the last paragraph about a government agency doing a raid???? So you believe that we should not pay taxes and those who don't pay should not be held responsible and fined?
Nobody likes paying taxes but in order the society to function you have to, there's no other way around it.
You may not like the guy, but he is running a business and trying to make the best of it that he can. I respect that. I wouldn't want to hang out with him, but don't hate him either.
What i don't like, is the idea of a goverment agency doing a raid because they feel they are getting cheated out of their share of the money despite the fact that they didn't do anything to earn it.
The first two paragraphs of your post I totally agree with but the last paragraph about a government agency doing a raid???? So you believe that we should not pay taxes and those who don't pay should not be held responsible and fined?
Nobody likes paying taxes but in order the society to function you have to, there's no other way around it.