Isreal threatens to attack Iran

Many moons ago. A School Teacher of mine said, "If your going to get into a fight, get in the 1st 50 punch's" Sound advice, IMO. LOL!
 
So instead of pursuing deplomacy and exhausting ALL deplomatic possiblities, just bomb them? Or threaten them? This will only increase hostilities in the region.
 
So, JWP, let me ask you. If you were Israel and Iran was calling you a "rotting corpse" that they were going to "wipe off of the face of the earth" what exactly would you do? Would you just sit back and wait for them to develop a bomb with which to do just that?

I know you think that Iran is simply more of that "religion of peace", but the rest of us know it is time to take them seriously.
 
jwp,

I've never been in a "war" But I've been in fights with some[threatening] bad boys. My recommendation, is get in the 1st decisive blows. Strike 1st, strike hard, be relentless. Give them what they want, no mercy.

Look back in history. How many arab country's, sided with the Nazi's. Hmmmm

We should've vaporized them all, back in WWII. IMO
 
I think you will find that historically the only thing that has quelled one people's appetite for the destruction of the other is a crushing defeat. Not beating them back and allowing the aggressor to drift off and regroup, but a bone crushing defeat.

Diplomats are good for two things: Starting and prolonging conflict.

I suppose the Syrians were just going to use their nuclear facility for good and peaceful purposes, too? The only reason you didn't hear more about the bombing of that facility is because everyone knew what it was for and the problem was taken care of in short order.

If Canada had a clearly insane leader and had taken an aggressive approach to America, how would you handle the situation with your vast intellect, jwp? Talk them into liking us? The only person you are kidding is yourself if you think for a minute you can reason with the current leaders in Iran. You just might get them to agree with something while they are sitting at the table with you, but the minute they leave the room they will be laughing at you and calling you a fool.

How about this one: If Iran does finally get the guts and attacks Isreal, how should the Isrealis respond? Strategically or with an all out onslaught to minimize Isreali casualities?
 
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So, JWP, let me ask you. If you were Israel and Iran was calling you a "rotting corpse" that they were going to "wipe off of the face of the earth" what exactly would you do? Would you just sit back and wait for them to develop a bomb with which to do just that?

I know you think that Iran is simply more of that "religion of peace", but the rest of us know it is time to take them seriously.



NO. I actually think the opposite. You must talk with each other. NOT threaten them and try to intimidate them.

War is the LAST option, but it seems to be the first around here.
 
jwp,

If a bad boy is within [physical striking range] of you, et he is threatening you with great bodily injury.

Your responce? Let's, talk this out & get along???
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My responce would be, attack[right now].

Some people are evil with evil intent[when oppertunity arise's for them]. I say give them what they want, first.
 
And you would probably get your [beeep] kicked. Sorry, i dont have to act like a badass. My pride doesnt over-ride my intelligence.

It really depends on what the situation would be, concerning my response. I certainly dont feel like begin charged with assault, so i would probably let him make the first move....You know, claim self defense.

Cooler heads almost always prevail over the "swing first ask questions later" crowd.
 
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Surely you have SOME pride? OK, back to the ignore button. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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My pride doesnt over-ride my intelligence.





Surely you have SOME pride? OK, back to the ignore button. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif



Things were so much more enjoyable when you were "ignoring" me.

But again, you revert back to your old ways, making uncalled for comments that have no merit concerning the subject. Which is exactly what i expected from someone of your ilk.
 
Well jwp, maybe you will get your "some day, some day" LOL! See how talking gets you out of being whupped. Reminds me of a Struther Martin [line] in COOL HAND LUKE movie.

I realize your young et lack some of life's experience's. But some people want violence. Give them their share, I say.

BTW, I'm no bad-azz. I also will not, do not run. Even when it might look dim for me. I make my stand, win or lose. I'm fine with that.

edit; BTW, You even hunt? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
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Never said i would run (i'm big boy and can take care of myself). I would just let them make the first move.

The people that want violence can have it, but threats dont merit an attack. If they have the balls to take the first shot, i hope they have the chin or nose to stand the second.

Defending yourself is one thing, but letting someone get under your skin with words and talking you into something is another.

Yes i do hunt, sadly the last time i got to go was in Jan. I do shoot often though. My hunting got cut back considerably when i moved off to college. Cant go every night anymore.
 
Iran has been promising to remove Israel from the face of the earth for quite a while now, and they are developing nukes.

If you think Iran will not create nuclear weapons as soon as they can, you're far more naive than I gave you credit for. I dunno just what you expect Israel to do, wait until Iran actually nukes them? I think it would take about one to do what iran has been promising, there won't be anyone left to hit back.

There is an entirely different mind set in play when you're talking about hard core islamic fundamentalists. Not one that we in the west generally comprehend. If you think that they think & respond the way that you do, once again you're lacking some vital, need to know data in evaluating how to deal with the problem.
 
Stu you might, just MIGHT want to look into the report the N.I.E. released in Dec. of 07. They are not developing nuclear weapons.
 
Unfortunately jwp your line of appeasement doesn't work as well in the real world. We are not talking about two guys on the playground or street corner. What we are talking about is one country developing weapons with the capability to wipe another country off the face of the planet with "the first blow." Now I already know your arguement, Israel already has nuclear weapons so why shouldn't Iran? Because the last time I checked there was nobody in charge in Israel touting the annihilation of another country just because they didn't like them.

You are obviously intelligent and well read jwp, but you don't know everything like you think you do. Anyone that claims to know how to fix everything (Obama comes to mind) is either stupid or a liar. Intelligence and education without experience can lead to poor decisions the same as any other. Don't be so quick to assume that your opinion is more well founded than another.
 
jwp,
You need to only go back in history and see what Israel did with Mr. Saddam and Iraq's nuclear facility to see how serious they are in this regard--you probably aren't aware because you weren't born yet.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/osirak1.html

I can guaranty you one thing--Israel does not do anything hastily, and quite frankly, I don't care how small of a nation they are--I would hate to be on their **** list, if you know what I mean.

I sure am glad that you or your kind does not control our national security right now--it seems like you would not support pre-emptive strikes of any sort if we were in danger.

With your logic,maybe we should have waited to invade Europe in 1944 until Hitler attacked us?
 
They are. they even stated in the past that they were. The NIE may have gotten a guided tour, but assuming that they're not developing weapons is foolish to the extreme.
 
So even though 16 agencies couldnt find any evidence that they were pursuing a weapons grade nuclear program. It doesnt matter. Personally i think you people dont even really care what anyone says. You want to wipe Iran off the map.


I will leave this thread with a couple of quotes.

" Let us have an American foreign policy that reflects American charactor. The modesty fo true strength. The humility of real greatness."

" I'm not so sure the role of the U.S. is to go around the world and say, 'This is the way it's got be!' I think one way for us to end up being viewed as 'the ugly America' is for us to around the world saying 'we do it this way; so should you."

Both of those quotations came from none other than George W. Bush. He made those statements to get elected, if only he actually stuck to them maybe all of you people wouldnt be so [beeep] blood thirsty for war.
 


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