Isreal threatens to attack Iran

"Hoekstra didn’t dispute the actual findings of the NIE, which concluded with “high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program.” His concern was the process that led the intelligence community to so dramatically reverse itself, and whether ongoing “gaps” in U.S. knowledge of Iran shouldn’t prompt analysts to greater prudence in their judgments."

I believe in conservative values. A true conservative wouldnt jump into a war on a whim.

What happened to the ignore button?
 
I never said it was prudent to go to war with Iran. However, I cannot dictate or influence Israeli foreign policy and Iran is not setting on my back step calling for my annihilation.

For the sake of arguement let's view this conversation from two points:

First view: If Iran is not actively pursuing nuclear weapons how do they plan to wipe Isreal off the face of the planet? Not with conventional weapons or a conventional army I'm sure. Is the guy running Iran just simply crazy?

Second view: Let's say Iran does strike Israel first with nuclear weapons and wipes out Isreal's ability to respond. Highly unlikely, but let's just go there. What would you propose the United States response to be? Let's sit down and talk it through with them?

You see, mutual annihilation was a pretty good deterent in the Cold War with the old U.S.S.R. because they still wanted a country to be in charge of. Dealing with a religious zealot that doesn't care if he or all his people are killed is somewhat different.
 
JWP, I fear that what you lack is a certain understanding of fundamental human character. Neville Chamberlain advocated the same course of action with regard to Germany during the build-up to WWII that Barack Obama and yourself advocate with regard to Iran. Chamberlain was a negoatiator, an appeaser. He, and the rest of the chic liberal movement in England and the States thought that a solution might be reached with negotiations and appeasement. But, history has shown us the the magnitude of this mistaken belief. It took a man like Winston Churchill to save the British.

You know, come to think of it, the same situation led up to Pearl Harbor. "Negotiate with the Japanese about oil, negotiate!!!" Then, Pearl Harbor. The whole time we were negotiating, they were making war plans. I believe that's exactly what that sawed-off SOB in Iran wants, too. He wants someone to try to be diplomatic, because it buys him time. Time to get those weapons together, then, a Pearl Harbor for Israel. I fail to see how anyone could think that Ahmadinejad (sp?) will be deterred just by sitting down and talking with him. That's like thinking it would have worked for Hitler. These people are sick and depraved individuals. If you don't believe me, you need only look as far as his rhetoric toward Israel.

We need only look at history to see what works and what doesn't work. The state of human affairs has not changed that much over the course of recorded history. The same fundamental vices that were problems hundreds, even thousands of years ago are still problems today. They may present themselves in different forms, but that is the only difference.

Rant over
 
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jwp,

Here's my belief in a nutshell.

eg: Neighbor guy verbally threatens great bodily injury to me. I tell him to suck buttermilk.

Neighbor guy advance's across/towards our yard's boundry, intent on his mission. I attack & attack hard, all out.

He either stomps me, or I stomp him. Game over.

Same go's with "war". If I were in a "war". I would be ruthless, no prisioner's. I wouldn't surrender either. No discussion's. End of sentence.

One of my Bro's was Army Re-Con, Viet Nam. His squad caught three [runner's] on different patrol's. Info was quickly gathered. Runner's were quickly killed. No discussions, no negotiating, no hugging.
 
BTW, here's some TRUTH, you should try & absorb. Israel are GOD's chosen people. Whether you like/believe it, or not. Arabs HATE Jew's.

Israel Falls, the rest will ensue.
 
A persons unbelief doesn't nullify the TRUTH. Here is another topic where our hero can't connect the dots. Don't give him anymore of the attention he craves. This is a big league topic, not some back alley nosebleed from a fist fight.
 
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jwp,

Here's my belief in a nutshell.

eg: Neighbor guy verbally threatens great bodily injury to me. I tell him to suck buttermilk.

Neighbor guy advance's across/towards our yard's boundary, intent on his mission. I attack & attack hard, all out.

He either stomps me, or I stomp him. Game over.





/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif I like the way you think Kirby. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Wish you were my neighbor then I would only have to be concerned about three sides instead of four /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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BTW, here's some TRUTH, you should try & absorb. Israel are GOD's chosen people.
Israel Falls, the rest will ensue.



No, that is your opinion. Nothing wrong with you having it, but it is an OPINION.

And for your "neighbor analogy", yes i can understand that, he is making a hostile move on to your property. You have every right to defend that property.

With that said, Iran hasnt made a move yet have they? Nope, and they wont. They are not completely stupid, i am sure they understand what the consequences would be.
 
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Can my two other Bro's be your neighbor too. Their just like me, LOL!



Bring'em on! That way there is only one side left and I can handle that one /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif, on the other hand, if one of you other guys want to take the fourth side /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif, I can sit back and do nothin'. Come on welfare /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. "Oh, the worlds owes me a'livin'".......good ol'grasshopper /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
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BTW, here's some TRUTH, you should try & absorb. Israel are GOD's chosen people.
Israel Falls, the rest will ensue.



No, that is your opinion. Nothing wrong with you having it, but it is an OPINION.





No that is in the word of God, the Bible. So you take that up with Jesus, next time you're praying. And pray for wisdom too. BTW learn how to spell Israel too.
 




NO. I actually think the opposite. You must talk with each other. NOT threaten them and try to intimidate them.

War is the LAST option, but it seems to be the first around here.



if this is the thinking of our future generations we are all doomed. JWP you dont even know what a true consevative is I guarantee Reagan wouldnt sit down with them and beg them to let us live.
 
What I find it odd that statements like this are coming out of Israel. This country is not one of those all talk no action type of countries. Most of the time when they talk about an attack they are talking after the fact.
 
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BTW, here's some TRUTH, you should try & absorb. Israel are GOD's chosen people.
Israel Falls, the rest will ensue.



No, that is your opinion. Nothing wrong with you having it, but it is an OPINION.





No that is in the word of God, the Bible. So you take that up with Jesus, next time you're praying. And pray for wisdom too. BTW learn how to spell Israel too.



No that is the word of YOUR God, so STFU and mind your own business.
 
jwp,

I see [our] discussion has come full circle,...again, LOL!. "I believe" because I have SEEN/experienced the TRUTH. You, on the other hand. Have a longer road to hoe.
 
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BTW, here's some TRUTH, you should try & absorb. Israel are GOD's chosen people.
Israel Falls, the rest will ensue.



No, that is your opinion. Nothing wrong with you having it, but it is an OPINION.





No that is in the word of God, the Bible. So you take that up with Jesus, next time you're praying. And pray for wisdom too. BTW learn how to spell Israel too.



No that is the word of YOUR God, so STFU and mind your own business.



I see we're back to this type of post again.
 


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