Kimber, Browning, or Remington (long with lots of questions)

2Much,


We get your point!

You dont much care for Browning. Folks here are looking for constructive critisism.....that's all. Other than my AR's, I cant ever remember having to dismantle a bolt for general cleaning. Perhaps I should be!

My Brownings come out when I need the job Done. They have several gun club rounds passed for verification then they harvest something. A bore cleaning and wipe down is all that has ever been needed. Repeat!

When push comes to B.S., you seem to be the one doing the "Rippin" here. That seems to includes every one here who has ever purchased or even thought of buying a Browning firearm before. The complete "Slam-Down" you shovel reminds me of comments J.Z. made towards us who happen too prefer toteing AR-15's.

Dont take this too seriously as I DO respect your thoughts and I think you may also have quite a bit more knowlage about the workings of firearms than I. But some of us kill lots of game with lesser than thou weapons.

You can lead all the horses in the world down to your watering hole but, they aint gonna all want to have a drink!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif


Dave
 
I absolutely love the 60-degree bolt throw - I wish other rifle actions had them. And my experiences (yes, I know, I'm "ignernt" and need to "shut up") have been similar to deltahunter's - the Brownings just plain-out tend to shoot! Out of the box, put a scope on 'em, and they'll flat shoot. The only other rifles that I've seen shoot as accurately out of the box are Savages.
Now, I know, I'm only 40 yrs. old and haven't taken my trigger group apart before, but I've seen the Brownings shoot.

I shoot on a regular basis with a group of U.S. Marine and Navy shooters and one Army D.M. (Designated Marksman)...in fact, we're headed to Camp Butner, NC this weekend for a long-range shoot. Their rifles (most of them made by G.A. Precision and costing in excess of $2,500 sans scope) you could drop out of a helicopter and not mess 'em up. But even they comment on how accurately my A-Bolt shoots. I probably couldn't drop it out of a helicopter, but it has served me well on the range, in the N.C. mountains, the coast, and south Texas - what more do I need in a rifle?

(Anxiously awaiting another smart-azz response).
 
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Brownings semm to be pretty popular, but only in the South. Must be the mild conditions......

Do me a favor, Lou, disassemble your bolt, let me know how long it took you, and then tell me how impressed you are with the many tiny little parts comprising it........



Actually I have a "bolt disassembly tool" for my A-bolt (original, not A-bolt II) that I made myself from 7/32" drill rod and some heat-shrink tubing. I insert the rod into the circular hole under the bolt (same hole the safety engages) and pull back, then unscrew and disassemble the bolt. 15 seconds tops. This is as much disassembly as I feel the need to do for field-stripping and general cleaning. (This is a bolt-action after all, not an AR-15). I'm not sure whether your gripe is with the A-bolt or A-bolt II bolt design, but I don't personally think there's anything "wrong" with my 1993 vintage A-bolt design. To each his own, I guess. I also like certain aspects of my Ruger, Remington, and Winchester rifle designs.

I won't even reply to your comment on the South and "mild" conditions...... I grew up hunting "off trail" in snowshoes in the Catskill Mountains of NY State, and while I didn't own any of my bolt actions then (I used a Marlin 336 in .35 Rem) I'm sure the Browning would have served me well in those conditions given proper maintenance for the temperatures.

Lou
 
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I probably couldn't drop it out of a helicopter, but it has served me well on the range, in the N.C. mountains, the coast, and south Texas - what more do I need in a rifle?



If it was me I'd want one that served me well in those places as well as the rest of the continent, Africa, Siberia, Scandinavia, Himalayas, and more. Not that I'd be particularly concerned about the brand of rifle, but if any rifle or brand had served me well in those places then I would have hunted those places. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I'm sure there are better and worse designs than a Browning, but they have been doing the job pretty well for a lot of years for a lot less money than some others.
 
Browning would be my choice. I hunt in -20 or colder, 90 or warmer. I have shot too many coyotes and fox with my ex-BOSS to count now. Lowest guess would be atleast 2-300. I put 600 rounds through it hunting red fox in one season, bad scope on it. It now is a Tactical 20, still slamming them if I have money for fuel to go, no failures with any part of the rifle.
The short bolt throw is GREAT, the detatchable magazine is even better, better than other magazines I have looked at for what I want to do with it.T.20
 
Alright guys, I've had my say, and you guys yours. I've ripped the A-bolts many times here, and other places, but keep in mind, I've never said that they won't shoot well. Not any better than many others either, though. My main problem is with the "pot metal" bottom metal, the prone to failure trigger group, and the complicated bolt assy. The metallurgy on these rifles is simply terrible. To my knowledge, there is not a single police force or military anywhere using A-bolts. I can however name MULTIPLE ones that use Winchesters, Remmys, Savages, Sigs, Steyrs, and Sakos. Ever think there may be a reason why? How many custom gun builders base their rifles on A-bolt actions? Anyways, I'm done. Enjoy your A-bolts, gents........
 
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