Lets have another POLL ***450***

Put me down for one maybe 2 if the price is right.. I have been wanting and looking for one of these for awhile now.
And have alot of my friends that have also..

This would be the perfect Hog,Deer and Elk gun for timber hunting..
 
The magazine for the 450 is a modified 20rd straight body 5.56 mag. That is what it says on bushmasters site. What it is they have just put a single shot follower in it and charged a huge amount in the difference. I do know you can buy the follower for $9.99.
 
One plus for the 458 is using reg 20rd mags. The 450b there is the mag issue. The 458 has better bullet selection but you could always swage the 458 bullets using a lee lube/size dies down to .452

As I have 1500 45cal XTPs I would probably go with a 450b if the price was right. Most of the time a 450b upper can be had for $550.00 around the web so the deal would need to be a good one.
 

Not interested in the 450 Bushmaster, but might be interested
in a 458 SOCOM.

The 450 Bushmaster is limited to pistol bullets, and factory
ammo, to attain the advertised performance. Hornady uses a
propriety blended powder, so hand loading can not match factory
ammo. This is a non starter for me. As for the FTX bullets,
they make one in .458 too, and all other major bulletsmiths
make 458 bullets for rifles. For the .452 bores...Only the
FTX.

Squeeze
 
I just ordered a 450 upper last week from my local gun shop for $525.00. I don`t handload any more so the 450B was a better fit for me. Can`t wait to get this on range and see if it is as accurate as they say. Planing to start hog hunting with it. I wish they would allow me to deer hunt here in Oh. with it.
 
Price would be the factor. I like the 458 a little more. Factory ammo not that big a deal since I would load for it anyway, but brass for the 450 is easier to find I think. I like how the 458 headspaces too. But that being said I want a thumper. Most of my shots on deer are with in 50 yards and I think either one would be the hammer of thor on a whitetail. Probally will bring a whole new meaning to "bang flop".
 
Originally Posted By: Squeeze
Not interested in the 450 Bushmaster, but might be interested
in a 458 SOCOM.

The 450 Bushmaster is limited to pistol bullets

Squeeze


I believe I have seen you make this comment before, could you please explain as to why this makes any difference? No agenda here, I'm thinking maybe you know something I don't here.


Chupa
 
I would like one, but I can't even afford a bargin .223 AR for a few months at a minimum. I think that there is quite an interest out there, but people may not know all that much about the cartridges.
 
Originally Posted By: ChupathingyOriginally Posted By: Squeeze
Not interested in the 450 Bushmaster, but might be interested
in a 458 SOCOM.

The 450 Bushmaster is limited to pistol bullets

Squeeze


I believe I have seen you make this comment before, could you please explain as to why this makes any difference? No agenda here, I'm thinking maybe you know something I don't here.


Chupa

Chupa,

To the best of my recollection, this is the first time I have
chimed in on the 450 BM vs. 458 SOCOM debate, as I have just
been researching the differences for a future project.

Why pistol bullets versus rifle bullets? Other than a small
number of .451/.452 hunting bullets, most pistol bullets
don't have an ogive. Most .458 bullets do. So by average,
.458 bullets will have higher ballistic coefficients. Even
in the FTX line of rifle bullets, where the 450 BM has it's
best chance to compete, the ballistic coefficient is better
for the .458 FTX bullet. The longer length of rifle bullets
also helps with gyroscopic stability.

So it boils down to just what do you want to do with the
rifle. If I want a deer/hog hunting rifle, with accurate
fire out to 200 yards, make mine the 458 SOCOM. If I want
to defend my home, or my job is kicking in doors, then the
450 Bushmaster would be fine.

Squeeze
 
I would want one as well, this is what i have been waiting on.

Bushmasters just dont give you any choices of what you get and i would love a nice railed tube or free float tube on one instead of the stuff BM has.
And to me if you could build them close to the same price give are take a little, It would be well worth it to get a Custom Built upper instead of a Production run upper..
 
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If i can get a Custom built upper for the same price as a factory built one and get to choice my Tube, barrel length ,break i get and get a Poly barrel on it as well i will go that route for sure..
 
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I'm new here, but custom is the name of the game I'd be really interested in a left handed .450. I don't know if it's possible to thread a .450 barrel onto a Stag LH upper receiver or if I'm gonna have to just go with the 6.8 Stag LH model.
 
Originally Posted By: SqueezeOriginally Posted By: ChupathingyOriginally Posted By: Squeeze
Not interested in the 450 Bushmaster, but might be interested
in a 458 SOCOM.

The 450 Bushmaster is limited to pistol bullets

Squeeze


I believe I have seen you make this comment before, could you please explain as to why this makes any difference? No agenda here, I'm thinking maybe you know something I don't here.


Chupa

Chupa,

To the best of my recollection, this is the first time I have
chimed in on the 450 BM vs. 458 SOCOM debate, as I have just
been researching the differences for a future project.

Why pistol bullets versus rifle bullets? Other than a small
number of .451/.452 hunting bullets, most pistol bullets
don't have an ogive. Most .458 bullets do. So by average,
.458 bullets will have higher ballistic coefficients. Even
in the FTX line of rifle bullets, where the 450 BM has it's
best chance to compete, the ballistic coefficient is better
for the .458 FTX bullet. The longer length of rifle bullets
also helps with gyroscopic stability.

So it boils down to just what do you want to do with the
rifle. If I want a deer/hog hunting rifle, with accurate
fire out to 200 yards, make mine the 458 SOCOM. If I want
to defend my home, or my job is kicking in doors, then the
450 Bushmaster would be fine.

Squeeze


Ok Ok, I see where you're going. I don't always buy into the claims of manufacturers as far as effective ranges of proprietary calibers. I know they say 200yds, and think that might be a little stretch. I'm think in reality we are talking closer to 130ish max for a hog weapon, with most shots being well inside 100yds.

Chupa
 
I have had the 458 SoCom as well as the 50 Beowulf, I liked both and had no issues with 30 round GI Mags in either. I have no issue with handgun bullets in the 50 BeoWulf as there are a number of very good bullets which work well on both the 50 BeoWulf as well as good bullets for the 450 Bushmaster. Im have never been interested in then 450 Bushmaster due to the magazine limitation and won't be until it improves.
 
I have the .458 and havent looked back. I looked at the .450 and the .50... I got the .458 because of the use of the .223 mags with no modification and the bullet selection for reloading. And it is a SHOOTER.. I love it.. Getting 1950 FPS with the 325 grain hornady FTX bullets. I have taken several deer with mine so far and love it. Probably one of my favorite guns.
 
one thing to remember on the 450 it is just like all those other designer rounds out there, it is patented, and the only people who have licensed it from the "inventor" is bushy/remington. so you could run into some sizable issues from the guy who holds the trademark / patent and from remington as well.

Also if i remember correctly the bolt is supposed to be made by a proprietary GM Steel, so there is a whole other issue.

and as far as a lefty goes, it is not a matter of the barrel fitting a stag upper, it is a mater of getting a left handed bolt made for it.
 
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One of the other issues I had with the 450 Bushmaster (beside the limited magazine issue) was the cost, weight, mag capacity and performance when compared to a model 92 levergun chambered for the 454 Casull which costs about 1/2 as much, weighs 40% less, has double the magazine capacity and will kick the 450 Bushmasters arse and steal it's lunch money any time and any place.
 
Originally Posted By: Kies_firearmsone thing to remember on the 450 it is just like all those other designer rounds out there, it is patented, and the only people who have licensed it from the "inventor" is bushy/remington. so you could run into some sizable issues from the guy who holds the trademark / patent and from remington as well.

Also if i remember correctly the bolt is supposed to be made by a proprietary GM Steel, so there is a whole other issue.

and as far as a lefty goes, it is not a matter of the barrel fitting a stag upper, it is a mater of getting a left handed bolt made for it.

I would say thats some very valid points......oh well, I am working on an AR10 Cartridge anyway. Too many irons in the fire thing......
 


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