Lost land to a hunting lease!

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Today I got some news I didn't like to hear. Lost 2 parcels of land with lots of coyotes I've hunted on the last couple years to a hunting lease agreement. Landowner had 3 guys from local Fort Riley stop by and offer up $1,000 each for exclusive hunting rights this year for the land.
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Don't blame the landowner thats $3,000 more than I was paying!! Just hate to lose good hunting land. Hope they treat it has good as I have and don't trash it up.
 
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Same thing happens here all the time. Between the deer leases and the duck leases, the available hunting land is shrinking.
It sucks but it's economics.

Shayne
 
should be illegal. oh well one day the rich will have all private land leased up and i shall become a trespasser. another thing alot of guys don't think of is this how many "hunting leases" do you guys believe are actually leased by anti's to stop hunting? with the money they have donated from people who fall for their scams they could easily lease up all kinds of hunting property. there will soon be a day if you don't own property or have enough money to lease some you will have nowhere to hunt.
 
Yes I hate to say it but it is happening everywhere. I'm afraid soon it will be if u don't own it or pay to lease it it wont be there for u to hunt.
 
The sooner that we the masses can no longer afford to hunt, the sooner the tradition dies of in society as a whole, and the sooner we no longer "need" guns. This is a sad reality coming to us hunters, and like it or not, there will be a day that unless you can pay to hunt, you won't.
 
I hope it never gets that way here, its illegal to pay for access to land as our laws stand right now....a bottle of whisky goes a long way though!
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I'm afraid that when my kids are old enough to hunt, it's going to be a "pay to hunt" deal. I used to have a 200K acre BMA right out my back door until it got leased up by a local outfitter. Don't blame the land owner for putting more money in his pocket, but it's all about the ol' might dollar and greed. Sad deal.
 
Alot of times the land owner just gets sick of dealing with all of the trespassers and other BS that goes along with owning/leasing property. They put the control of trespassers in the leasee's contract to take care of. This year it cost me alot of money trying to keep people off of my meadows. They completely trashed my winter feed for my cows and just don't care.
You also have to understand that ranching and farming aren't the most profitable professions on the planet. Sometimes a guy needs a little extra to feed his family until things look up.
I allow anyone that asks permission to hunt on our leases. All you have to do is be respectful of the land and follow the rules.
 
Ya it sucks. I lost all my turkey hunting ground around Council Grove to leases from other states. Makes me cringe when these videos come out saying how great Kansas is to hunt. And ya if I don't get some land bought my kids won't know what hunting is
 
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Quote:should be illegal. oh well one day the rich will have all private land leased up and i shall become a trespasser. another thing alot of guys don't think of is this how many "hunting leases" do you guys believe are actually leased by anti's to stop hunting? with the money they have donated from people who fall for their scams they could easily lease up all kinds of hunting property. there will soon be a day if you don't own property or have enough money to lease some you will have nowhere to hunt.


If you were a landowner, do you think you would feel the same way?

So, if you can't afford it, you will become a tresspasser? If it gets where you can't afford a car, will you become a car thief?

Anti's lease little if any land. By the same token, they don't buy any either while organizations like like Ducks Unlimited and other hunter funded conservation groups do.

Some of the sentiment of this thread reminds me of some of the stuff I hear from the "Occupy Wallstreet" bunch on the news.

I don't like the lease land any more than the next guy, but I don't blame the guy who owns the land for trying to pay for his taxes.
 
I'm not seeing anyone blame the landowner. I certainly understand the financial reality most are living right now. I also understand that only a few years ago, locally I could knock on most any landowners door and gain access to hunt. Heck we would have landowners reach out complaining that all these deer/elk are trashing their place and want hunters to help them out. Now there is nothing around that isn't tied up in leases. The reality is, and it is sad, that our kids won't and do not have the same access that we all did. If they want to hunt they will have to pay to do it.
 
I know it doesn't help if you are looking to hunt other game...but you may be surprised if you talk to those that are hunting the lease for Deer or Turkey..."you want to kill coyotes, sure...just not during deer hunting season."

Farmers/Landowners pay a lot of taxes and often don't make a lot of money on that property, so leasing does help them.

As far as trespassing on either leased or private property...the statement "pushing up daisy's" comes to mind. Seriously though, this is probably not something you want to do, most lease clubs will prosecute.
 
There has got to be public hunting land in every state. I might have to drive an hour or two to hunt but I can find places to hunt. Usually after opening day there aren't many people out on the public land anyways. Just got to put your time in to find the game. Opening day of duck season I was hunting on public land with 500 of my new friends, but I got a duck and should have gotten more. I have lost leases in the past, had people take my leases, lost permission due to change of land owner but it forces me to go look for new places. All we can do is adapt and keep hunting, and hope for a little luck.
 
I had a similar thing happen to me about 15 years ago. I lost 400 acres primarily because I wasn't killing enough deer, turkey and squirrels on the property.
The farmer was primarily a u-pick farmer raising strawberries, blueberries, and blackberries. The turkeys and squirrels were really eating into his profit. The deer weren't helping things any either.
So, when he was approached by a group willing to pay him for the privilege of helping him out with his problem; he jumped on it. And, I don't blame him one bit.
I thanked him for the opportunity he had given me. And, went on my way.
I do have some good memories. And, I probably gained a few pounds eating the game that came off that place.
He's gone now. And, I haven't even been in that county (it's in SC) in about 7-8 years.
Thank you Bill Gentry. RIP.
 
KsYotes all I can say is I feel your pain. Seems like every year I lose a little more to leases. Sucks big time, but I'm not rolling in money so there's not much I can do about it.
 
Originally Posted By: Yellowhammer Quote:should be illegal. oh well one day the rich will have all private land leased up and i shall become a trespasser. another thing alot of guys don't think of is this how many "hunting leases" do you guys believe are actually leased by anti's to stop hunting? with the money they have donated from people who fall for their scams they could easily lease up all kinds of hunting property. there will soon be a day if you don't own property or have enough money to lease some you will have nowhere to hunt.

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If you were a landowner, do you think you would feel the same way?

So, if you can't afford it, you will become a tresspasser? If it gets where you can't afford a car, will you become a car thief?

Anti's lease little if any land. By the same token, they don't buy any either while organizations like like Ducks Unlimited and other hunter funded conservation groups do.

Some of the sentiment of this thread reminds me of some of the stuff I hear from the "Occupy Wallstreet" bunch on the news.

I don't like the lease land any more than the next guy, but I don't blame the guy who owns the land for trying to pay for his taxes. pay his taxes? You mean line his pockets. I reckon that would make me a game thief and a car thief. Next thing ya know I'll be robbing banks and killing folks. I would love to continue this banter but nothing will be accomplished by it.
 
A lot of the land owners here that don't lease their land, but do post it against tresspassers WILL let me coyote and crow hunt after deer season if I ask.
I hate calling while wearing hunter orange anyway.
A lot of the land owners post their property or put up gates limiting access. This is usually the result of some jerk driving through their crops/pasture.
If it was mine, I would probably do the same thing.

Shayne
 
Originally Posted By: cawilson82 pay his taxes? You mean line his pockets.

What, you don't think landowners have to pay taxes on their land?
 
Quote:Some of the sentiment of this thread reminds me of some of the stuff I hear from the "Occupy Wallstreet" bunch on the news.

I don't like the lease land any more than the next guy, but I don't blame the guy who owns the land for trying to pay for his taxes.
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