M700 won't eject

I've never seen anyone get hit by lightning but I'm pretty sure it happens. I've witnessed Remington extractors fail quite a bit. It is less common with smaller calibers that require less force to extract. Maybe that's why some of you haven't seen it.

To all the doubting Thomas' it does happen. No one said it happens to every gun. Just enough that it's a known problem.
 
Jack, I should have stated a competent gunsmith that has done Sako extractors before. There are a lot of "gunsmiths" that I would never let touch my guns. I'm sure there have been a lot of Rem bolts ruined. I've seen some scary gunsmithing work as I'm sure you have too, it sounds like.
 
I'm almost 60 and have been shooting Remington's since I was 20.
I just replaced my first extractor this year.
It was on a 700 Classic chambered in 17Rem that's on it's second barrel.
 
Oh....Ok. Now I think I understand....

It happens enough to make Remington extractors be referred to as being "notorious" for failing, but in reality the frequency might be compared to getting struck with lightning in your mind... Is that what you're saying?

Maybe that's why in over 40 years I've never seen one fail on rifles chambered in everything from 17 Remington to 375 H&H Mag. And that time span covers both the new and the old riveted style extractors. And in the same time span, I've never been struck by lightning either...

In contrast, I've seen two Pre-64 Model 70 claw extractors fail (break) in use as well as one 98 Mauser extractor. I wonder if that's enough times to put the word out on the internet that claw extractors are basically useless and are "notorious" for failing....?

I hope it isn't as then I'd probably have to unload quite a few Model 70 Winchesters and a couple of custom 98 Mauser rifles at discount prices because they are not worth having.

Fortunately, I know better than that about the Model 70's/98 Mausers and the Model 700's I own/have owned. Plus a few other makes and models...

In reality, its probably safe to say it happens occasionally with all of them, but its far from being a "notorious" problem with any of them either...

Did I mention I had a Sako extractor spring break once....? It made the rifle a single shot with "manually assisted cleaning rod extraction" until I could get the spring replaced a few days later...

RePete: You must be "notoriously" hard on rifles... LOL..!!

-BCB
 
Originally Posted By: Bayou City Boy

RePete: You must be "notoriously" hard on rifles... LOL..!!

-BCB

Yep,,, I'm hard on equipment but IMO,, a twelve dollar extractor should be good for at least three barrels...
 
Pyscodog, when the extractor doesn't protrude far enough from the bolt recess it looses its "grip" on the rim of the brass as the shoulder of the spent case bumps across the end of the chamber and lug raceway. Causing the spent case to do random stuff according to how far it was removed before the extractor lost its "grip".... sounded better in my head before I typed it out.
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IMR4320,
Correct me if I'm wrong but your first post said "It won't eject" If that is the case it is not your extractor the problem is your ejector. Being that you only shot 40 or so rounds in a new gun I can't believe it is dirty or gummed up.
The ejector is the little plunger that sticks out of your bolt face. It has a spring behind it in the hole it is mounted in.
The way it works is as the case is coming out of the chamber, the plunger keeps pressure on the left side of the head stamp of the case which in turn keeps the neck of the case pushed up against the right side of the chamber and action until it clears and is then thrown out the port hole.
Just my opinion but I think the spring behind the plunger is broke or weakened and needs replaced. The plunger is held in by a pin that goes crosswise just back of the locking lugs. Drift that pin out slowly so the plunger doesn't fly out and lose it or the spring. Of course if I'm right and the spring is broken then it won't fly anywhere. Anyway check that and if needed replace the spring. See if that fixes your problem. Hope this helps.
 
BCB, you are right again. Remington extractors never fail. It is all a conspiracy to keep gunsmiths busy. Call MGM and see how many Sako extractors they put on Remingtons in a year.

I have personally witnessed an Alaskan bear hunt go bad due to extractor failure. I have the whole thing on video. I also know a SouthEast Alaskan bear guide who blames being mauled by a brown bear on his remington extractor failing. Needless to say, he doesn't hunt bear with Remingtons any more. So just because it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean it never happens.
 
Originally Posted By: filmitBCB, you are right again. Remington extractors never fail. It is all a conspiracy to keep gunsmiths busy. Call MGM and see how many Sako extractors they put on Remingtons in a year.

I have personally witnessed an Alaskan bear hunt go bad due to extractor failure. I have the whole thing on video. I also know a SouthEast Alaskan bear guide who blames being mauled by a brown bear on his remington extractor failing. Needless to say, he doesn't hunt bear with Remingtons any more. So just because it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean it never happens.



I never claimed to be right....And I never said it never happens. That's just you mouthing words all on your own that you want me to take credit for...

If you'll take a deep breath and re-read my post, I think you'll find that I said, "...its probably safe to say it happens occasionally with all of them, but its far from being a "notorious" problem with any of them either..."

There you are plugging your videos again... You should sign on as a sponsor here like I mentioned to you a few weeks ago ifn' you're gonna' keep plugging them every chance you get...

JMO - BCB
 
Read a little closer BCB. I wasn't plugging a video. I said I have an extractor failure on video. The extractor failure isn't shown or mentioned in any commercial video so quit reading between the lines. I merely caught it on tape while filming so I don't see how I am plugging it. When I have a new title that deals with predator hunting I will sign on as a sponsor.
 
Originally Posted By: filmitRead a little closer BCB. I wasn't plugging a video. I said I have an extractor failure on video. The extractor failure isn't shown or mentioned in any commercial video so quit reading between the lines. I merely caught it on tape while filming so I don't see how I am plugging it. When I have a new title that deals with predator hunting I will sign on as a sponsor.

That's not what you alluded to on 09/05/09 at 4:08 PM in the "Remington Customer Service" thread... But at least the name calling has ended. That's refreshing....

Originally Posted By: filmitBayou City Boy. My experience with Remington has nothing to do with being an internet expert. But being in the gun business for 20 years. Also according to Kenny Jarrett (Jarrett Rifles) at a seminar he did at SCI, rarely does he find a Remington which has been drilled and tapped square and true.

Plus I've seen Remington extractors fail at the worst possible time: While hunting Big Alaskan bears. This happened during the filming of my video HUNTING ALASKA'S COASTAL GIANTS. One gentleman's 375 failed to extract after shooting a bear. I also know of one other Alaskan guide who was mauled courtesy of a failed Remington extractor. You won't find him backing up clients with a Remington anymore. Of course there's not much dangerous game down there on the Bayou so you probably don't have much to worry about.

Remington has pissed their brand name and reputation away steadily over the past several years. Slapping their Brand on Russian junk was probably one of the worst all time marketing failures in the history of Remington.

-BCB
 
Originally Posted By: pyscodogI still think you have an EJECTOR problem.
Have to agree with BCB on the rest, its only an occasional problem.

The "One" extractor that I had to replace did the same thing as the original poster's. It wore down to the point that even though it would still extract, it wouldn't hold on to the rim untill it reached the ejection port.
I'm not very good at explaining things, so I'll attempt to simplify it by saying,, "the worn extractor caused premature ejection"..

Charlie
 
Ok....I have to open this up again.

I replaced the extractor and know the gun is extracting just fine...perfect actually.

But, the bolt is a tad hard to close. This is with factory rounds that are under the OAL reccomendation. It's a .17 Remington. The factory rounds are 2.120" OAL (from the tip of the bullet, not the ogive)....measured on my own digital calipers.

Any thoughts now?

P.S. The extractor was worn REALLY bad. But, I'd like to check the ejector too if you guys think that could be a problem. What do you recommend to get the little pin out?
 
a small punch would be a good idea. When you push the bolt forward and just slightly close it does the extractor grab the round or do you have to fully close it before it locks on? its very possible you have a chamber thats slightly on the small side of the spec so how does it rechamber your fired brass?
 
In the past I had no problems at all Gotcha.

When I try to chamber a round now, it's all smooth until I try to push the bolt down....it's easy for about an inch and then I have to use some force for the bolt to close fully. I haven't shot it since the new extractor, but in the past it was as smooth as a whistle.
 
I will try to explain a similar problem I had with an LTR. The bolt closed hard on a loaded round, The first time. You could pull the bolt back just far enough to pull the round out of the chamber( not all the way, just a little, maybe an inch), then rechamber the same bullet, and it would chamber smooth as silk. Hate to eat my words, but it was the extractor. I polished the extractor with a dremmel and it worked fine. I bought a new extractor and replaced it and the problem came back. It feels kinda like your jumping the extractor on a mauser rifle if that makes sense. The gunsmith helping me had a brand new, unfired Remington/204 that had the same problem. Imagin that! Does this sound like your problem or am I totally off base?
 
Sounds like that may work pyscho.

I completely stripped the gun today. Cleaned everything. I even pulled the ejector. There were a lot of brass shavings throughout the action and that's all cleaned up now too. I give up though.

How and what tip would you use with the Dremel? Are you talking about just buffing it or actually taking a bit off of it?

Thanks for all the help.
 
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