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Bob/SoCal

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The anonymity of the keyboard breeds antagonism, pitting the faceless into pitched battles of wit. This is found on innumerable message boards across the internet. Predator Masters is not immune.

Predator Masters is a board run by like minded individuals, each of us have a passion..and that passion is predator hunting. As with anything on the internet, it takes money to run things, not to mention a lot of time and effort to keep things humming along.

Recently, a topic has been brought up involving a venture between PXE and PM. The details are being discussed. It matters not to the member whether we do or not, especially concerning the administration of the board, that remains as a PM responsibility, no one will ever gain control of PM other than the people who are running it now. What does matter to the general member of PM is that this board remains a viable entity. With our increased popularity comes an increase in operating costs. It's a fact that we here at PM have to deal with.

Your administrators receive no pay, moderators moderate because they possess a great deal of experience and knowledge in their respective forums. Again, they receive nothing in return. I have spent countless hours building this site for almost a year. I have received no compensation other than having the ability to see each and everyone of you post on a daily basis. That makes me very happy.

Some of you think that we here at PM have ulterior motives for seeking a venture with PXE. That's just not the case, we did not seek them out, they sought us out because of our reputation for providing the predator hunter with useful tips and strategies for hunting predators. IF a venture does take place, it will because we want you to have the best of experiences when visiting PM. Many have asked for all the goodies, Instant Messaging, Who's on the board, chat rooms, email etc. This all takes money. With the added exposure we may be able to provide this.

Grand View Media came to this board to deal with problems associated with PXE's previous owner. I would hope instead of insulting them, you'd offer them suggestions. But maturity of our members is not something PM can control.

Some on here find this a sounding board for some psychological problems they face daily in their lives. As a media, we have to set rules of use, you all agreed to them when signing up. Most of you, 99.9% of you are extremely valuable to PM's success and have been. If you break the rules of a board not your own , you have to face the consequences. Consequences include banning or emails outlining the infraction, asking for compliancy. You can read through the latest posts and see that there is some animosity at our governing style.

I suggest to those that find fault with PM's administration, that you go find yourself a board that has differing governing styles, or maybe venture out and open your own.
 
Let's hear an BIG AMEN to what Bob just posted. We are all brothers/sisters with similar interests. Let's all try to get along. Certainly, we aren't always going to agree on every thing posted here, but it is to no one's advantage to try to antagonize folks. I, for one, really appreciate what Bob and the moderators have been doing. THANKS again for all that you folks do for us.
 
I believe Bob has summed it up for the moderators and Pro Staff.

I stand behind him, and fully endorse his comments.

The faculty behind PM is interested in only one thing- making this place better every day for the people that come here to learn and share their knowledge. The Pro Staff and moderators do this on thier own free time. Those who don't share the same interests are probably in conflict with PM here.

If there are members here that disagree with that, you might want to look for another website that fits your needs. Or as Bob suggested, you might want to try to set up your own site.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif -MP
 
I got on this board over a year ago because it offered something I haven't found elsewhere on the internet, a great place to discuss the topic of predator hunting without the language, or bad attitudes of some folks on other sites. It remains so due to the diligence of the Pro Staff, Moderators and members who believe as I that this is the best place on the web to really learn something. I'm all for keeping it that way. Good post Bob!
 
Well, I tell all ya folks, it could NOT be done without the best members available, period!!!

You guys are literally like a family to me, I spend almost as much time here as I do with my wife and kids, probably more when you consider work and school... But I do it because I believe in what I'm doing, I thouroughly enjoy helping others, and I LOVE hunting of any kind!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Bob and Moderators of PM,
Let me start out by saying that I think you Gents are doing an outstanding job of keeping PM running. Without you fellas behind the wheel Pm would take a giant plunge off a cliff.
However to State that a Merger with PXE is none of the general memberships business is in a word BS. I realize it takes money to run this site, but if PXE wants to contribute something let them pay for advertising just like everyone else. Money talks Gentleman and he who pays the most has say over what goes on here.

Here is my Prediction for PM if this merger goes thru:

Feb 1 2003 Predator Masters.Com merges with Predator Extreme Magazine :eek:

March 1 2003 2000 new members have joined the site since the merger thanks in part to the advertisment PM gets in PXE. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

June 1 2003 PM is now at 10,000 members and still growing. The 10,000 Member receives an all expenses paid Predator hunt with Randy Watson. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif PXE is pouring more money into the site.

Aug 1 2003 Rich Cronk, River Runner, Jason Elpaso and many other advertisers have been notified by email that they will need to purchase advertisement with PXE or they will no longer have Advertisement Space on the PM board. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Oct 1 2003 since all other advertisers have given up hope of paying for PXE Ad bills and PXE is the only Advertiser left the PM Board is now called Predator Extreme BBS. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

November 1 2003 Membership sinks to under 10,000 Members /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

December 1 2003 Membership continues to decline and PXE starts to reconsider renewal of its contract

Jan 1 2004 Membership is at an all time low, No one has posted in 3 weeks. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Feb 1 2004 PXE does not renew contract, PM pulls the plug effectively killing Will’s dream. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Just my opinion
 
Crazywolf,

Your scenario is in one word, BS. If you read my post carefully this time, you'll notice I mentioned that the control of PM exists with PM and solely PM. PXE & GVM will have absolutely no control over how this board administrates or the content that this board exhibits. IF a venture of this type happens and there is no guarantee that it will, this will be a marketing venture only, promoting each other in the Predator Hunting community.

We achieve exposure in order to fulfill Will Craigs dream of bringing the world of predator hunting to the masses. We through the increase in advertisers bring added benefits to PM outlined in my post above.

PXE & GVM gain insight into what real predator hunters such as yourself expect from a periodical. No money is exchanged, just a mutually beneficial meeting of the minds.With or without a venture between PM and PXE, this board will survive and prosper.

On the subject of the post, we will never discourage hearty discussion on any subject, but we do expect our members to respect each other on the boards, off the boards, all bets are off..my delete button can only reach so far.
 
Very well put oh

Evil One.I can not agree with you more or add to what you have said . All of you that run PM are worthy of many thanks. A very interesting and informative site .
 
Crazywolf... Your prediction and opinion are based on what??

My prediction based on the moon's alignment with the missing shingle on my barn:

PM will continue to grow and remain the best Predator hunting site on the web. This will occur under the careful and watchful tutelage of it's dedicated volunteer staff and moderators.

We were here before PXE . We will be here in the future with or without the support of PXE.We certainly are open minded enough to look at any proposal that will further our continued growth, as long as it is in line with our principles.

You are absolutely wrong in your statement that he who pays,says what goes on here. That is plain B.S.

Man! You type fast Bob!
 
Okay so I'm kinda the new guy around here. To me this is one great site and with or without PXE I have faith that it will remain so. Kudos to all the staff and members that make this the site that it is. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
I don't know where you gentlemen; Moderators and Pro Staff, got it from. But you fellows have the "Patience of a Saint"!

I've been lurking around these boards since the Shade Tree days and have never seen anyone treated; or allowed to be treated unfairly. And the site has always remained true to it's original intent as Will Craig had invisioned it.

Your tolerance towards the Malcontents looking for a place to sound off, has often caused a little disharmony among the membership. But you have never failed to see it thru to it's final outcome; In an even handed manner. I, for one, do not envy your job. I would be ill-suited to the task; as I would tend to wield the "Hammer of Thor" in much the same manner as Ol' John-Henry does.

It is due to your dedication to see Will's dream to fruition, and to each of your individual dedication to this site and to the sport of preditor hunting. That this site has become the "Best Damn Site On The Internet."

The malcontents should be thankful to have you here as I am. Without you at the helm, none of us would have a place to go to rant at all.

Thank you for being here, and for being YOU.
 
Wow, Is this site full of humans or what?

Bob/soCal, I haven't posted alot the past few months, but am always on the site reading. I am trying, in my limited capacity as a predator hunter, to learn how to hunt these predators that are obviousley smarter and more cunning than myself. I am learning. A man cannot help but learn from the experience of others unless he is a fool and will not learn.

This site is obviousley full of good hunters with tons of knowledge about the sport. I love it. How do I know I love it? I'm still here. Ya see, I am rather independant in my thinking and my actions. It causes me a great deal of lonliness, but there is hope for me because I have begun coming out of my shell as a loner. The fact that this site is so interesting, and good, I have stayed around. So I know I love it. (Thats hard for me to say).

The guys running this board seem to do a great job. I am amazed at the tempers and the tantrums I have witnessed between some of the members, but ya know, even families have these problems. Some men and women never grow up. There are reasons for this and it takes serious self examination to try to change a flaw in ones character. A chink in the 'ol armor is hard to deal with.

I for one am impressed with most,if not all, of the government of this board. And they are doing it because they love it, loved some guy named Will, and in a very mature way, love the members of this board. I call that real courage, real manhood and real maturity.

Is this the perfect internet site? I don't know, but I know I have managed to stay very interested because I see so much enthusiasm about guys trying to do something of like interest.

Only time is going to tell the truth because all things change with time, even PM.

But, for now, lets support these guys, they are spending something much more precious than gold keeping this site going.

Thank you men for your time and energy, keep up the good work.

Now, if anyone wants to fight me, OK,,,, you win, I lose.

Who was it that said, " I've never regretted having to take back something I didn't say" ?

There, I'm done rambling /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
Okay gang. Enough said and a final 'Amen.' Now, lets get on with what we're about.
These concerns are of little value to the average contributor. We find this board a vehicle for expressing some views and opinions on our hobby. As such, it's part of a recreational activity.
I prefer my recreational activities contain no tension, friction or squabbling. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal
 
You go girls, er ah guys

I think good things could come from this if we all just give it a chance and contribute the effort to make it work. I have faith that the staff that is running this board will do the right thing, they are the ones that know what it takes to keep this board up and running.
I dont think they will jepordize all of the hard work they have and will put into it.
Cant we all just get along for once and work together.
 
I really love this site. I really, really, really do. Whatever you guys decide, I am in full support of. You have done a wonderful job keeping this site up and running, and excellent quality.

I realize my opinion has a value factor of 'zero' but I thought I'd share it anyway. I for one am really looking forward to using the features available to us that are not yet affordable. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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