Mosquito creek coyote hunt

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I have had it with Misquito coyote/dog hunt....you can not compare dogs chasing VS calling. Calling is way tougher and more skill than 30 men and 45 dogs chasing.


I have to reply to that comment. I grew up running foxhounds with my dad. We don't run foxhounds anymore, now we strictly run beagles on cottontail/hare. When coyote started popping up in my area in the mid to late 80's we started running them as well. To say it's easy is ridiculous.
Have you ever personally ran hounds on coyote before?
First you have to train pups/break hounds. Do you have any idea how time consuming that is? That ain't easy in itself. How about the cost and upkeep of dogs? Not like simply putting a new set of batteries in an e-caller.
No skill? How about anticipating where the coyote is going to run and trying to position yourself in front of it. Do you think they don't play the wind even when trying to avoid hounds?
Coyote can cover an awful lot of ground over the course of a chase. Physically keeping up with hounds can be demanding especially with adverse terrain.
Most of the time we ran three or four hounds, that was us. I personally don't see 30 guys out there hunting with 40 hounds trying to kill a coyote. Are there large groups out there however, yes.
Running hounds has a higher success rate yes, is it less skillful,no. I've done both so I know what I'm talking about. If you don't like the way a hunt is run, don't enter. Houndsmen have just as much a right to hunt as you do. And by the way, I've called in coyote in an area where houndsmen (my dad's friends) hunt as well.
Don't suppose you'd want us to stop running cottontail with hounds because we are more successful/productive than guys just out there kicking brushplies. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Finally let me say more productive doesn't mean "easier".
 
Dogwood I think you are correct …there are members from the club that run dogs and I think they are pretty efficient at it….good for them they work hard....one thing about this hunt you guys know going into it… that they (dog runners) do pretty well and you enter anyways..... I think over the years the number of coyotes taken by callers compared to dog runners are closer than most would think….. most years its about even….this year might be a little different…not sure until they post the numbers..... sure there are more callers that enter but many of them don’t even get into the woods….I would like to see different divisions also…but I doubt it happens any time soon????? My thoughts…a good part of the money goes into the environment and a majority of the people that I talk to have a good time and so do I……so I will continue to sign up…circus or not!!!
 
Dave, seems we agree on more than I thought. But, I don't see why there can't be some change in the way the hunt is run. After all, with out us, there is no hunt. What I have seen at the meetings, they are a rational bunch of people. Who knows, with enough people taking an interest in changing the format,it just might happen. The internet is a very powerful tool. If the right person took the ball and ran with it, they just might see the light.
 
coyote hunting with dogs is a different game. it should not be in this contest. i thought it was for calling only. what a sucko deal. im glad i didn't go.
 
I will not say it shouldnt be in the contest, but as others as well as myself have stated it should be a division for hounds and a division for calling.
 
Lets put it this way. I'm done with the Mosquito Creek hunt/membership until they listen to the people that make up the bulk of the participants. They don't mind raking in the money raised by the hunt, they can start to listen to the people that have made it possible all these years. Or quit having it. Either way is OK with me. Not only will I sign it, but I have several friends that will do the same. Lets put some petitions in the local gun shops for public access. Draw it up, send me 3 or 4 copies, and I will place them here. Hey, my in-laws were coon hunters. I enjoy rabbit hunting over Beagles. I have dogs as pets. I like dogs. All I want to see happen, is make it fair for all the thousands of non-houndsmen that support the mighty Mosquito hunt.
 
Im totally new to this and did enter the Mosquito Creek contest. I have to agree that the dogs and callers should be seperated.
 
I don't hunt coyotes because of prize money, I join competitions because of prize money. We all know the format and rules ahead of time so if you don't agree then why join? And there are lots of tournaments throughout PA, so why join this one? I did kill a coyote this past weekend /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gifand I was signed up for the Mosquito Creek hunt but I thought turn-in lasted on Sunday until 3PM. I registered my coyote at the St. Marys sportsmen at 11:30 AM, and could not get to Mosquito Creek by noon. MY STUPID MISTAKE. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif But this never caused me to lose sight on the way I felt about the second coyote that I shot in 3 years. I was still elated. We all have the chance to shoot the biggest, the second biggest or the third biggest. We all have the chance to kill more than one, and we all have the chance to do the scouting to find the biggest. My female weighed 34 pounds, much less than the winner but still I would have won some prize money if I would have only read the times a little closer. I will join the three local tournaments again next year /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif and will have fun hunting- isn't that what it is "supposed" to be about? I do understand, believe me, what all of you are saying about making different catagories. But where does that stop. A dog catagory, a bait catagory, an e-caller catagory, an open reed catagory, a closed reed catagory!!! Sure a little far fetched but as I said, where does it stop? Beagler said it the best about dogs. You don't just change batteries in a dog or buy a new one off the shelf a week before the tournament. Training them takes time, money, patience, and a love for the dog. In order for Mosquito Creek to continue to draw the numbers that they take in it might be necessary for them to change the format of the hunt. But until that day comes I will still participate and hopefully read the rules a little closer. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
I joined the Mosquito Creek hunt this year, and I'm glad that I did. I read the rules before I signed up, and have no problem with people using dogs. That's what I like about contests that involve coyote hunting, there are very few rules to break.

When you enter a buck pool in archery season, there's always the chance that a guy entered who is baiting or road hunting using a rifle, etc. but I'm even willing to accept that. With coyote hunting, hats off to anyone who can trick a coyote's senses and harvest one.
 
I agree with making two divisions, dogs and calls but if anyone can tell me how you can tell the difference between a coyote killed that was called and one that was killed by using dogs, I'd like to know. Impossible in my opinion. So the dog guys will still use the dogs and say, "I left the dogs home this time, give me my money." ha /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
that is why every large hunt even up to and including the world hunt tell everyone in advance that you if placing may be subjected to a polygraph... and they do not give the amounts of money that this hunt pays out... not saying that it the only way to go, but its an idea... as well as skinning every coyote brought in... this hunt that would be hard to do... but when you consider you would only be skinning those called in, it would drop the number by a huge amount... just ideas so dont shoot the messenger lol
 
I've entered the hunt since 1999 and never have been successful at all. I know I get tired of seeing guys throw out of their trucks multiple coyotes. I figure that I'm a caller and would no way in @#%# get more than one maybe a double if your lucky. If you support hunting the hounds then you must ask yourself why did I buy my hounds? My answer to that question would be to increase my odds of getting 1st , 2nd or 3rd place. I'm all for a calling only category but how could they "police" it to make sure everyone plays by the rules? A polygraph seems fancy, I don't know how they'd go about doing that.

I know one big factor in it for me. I truly love to talk to coyotes when I start to howl, and trying to get them a running to me and my partner. It's a feeling no hound could ever give me. It's just something about the effort I put into my stands and finally hearing or even seeing those glowing eyes is just indescribable.......
 
i have been talking with outher about this for about two months now and it can be done... skinning all "called" coyotes was one of the biggest tips I got, as well as the polygraph... it may "seem" fancy, but when you are talking about 40,000 bbucks wouldnt fancy fit right in? a lot of clubs are starting to use them now in the western states for the large higher money hunts.... just one option...
 
i think a polygraph would be a great idea. it would eliminate any cheating as would skinning. skinning would probaly be the cheaper way to go but i dont know how much a polygraph costs. skinning would also be able to tell real quick who is lyin and who isnt.
 
I did a seminar up in VanEtton, Ny the end of January. Their coyote hunt had two divisions. One division was for callers and the other for houndsmen. And then after the winners were announced and before they could get their money, they were subjected to a polygraph test. They rolled in a camper and set the test up there. Everyone and I mean everyone that placed in the contest had to take their turn at the test. They figured it was a small price to pay from the profits so that there was no dispute in the end.
 
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