Mosquito creek coyote hunt

Sounds like a plan to me. When I think what I have to do to earn $8,000 at work, a simple polygraph test is a small price to pay for the check. The way I see it, if the Mosquito Creek Club wants to be the richest contest in the east, it is time to act like it. I say round up about 2,000 participants to boycot the hunt and it's corresponding membership for a year. That should drive the point home. Plug em in the old wallet. They aren't going to come around to this without some serrious prompting. Too many houndsmen involved in the club.
 
I just sent mosquito creek an email. Not sure if anyone else has done this or not. Worth a try, I guess.

Have you guys ever had any discussion about splitting the contest into 2 divisions, calling and houndsmen? I spend a lot of time on the website www.predatormasters.com and there is a lot of talk about people wanting the hunt split and having the successful hunters take a polygraph. It seems like a pretty good idea. Not sure what kind of price tag would be involved with the polygraph but with all of the money that your club brings in, it shouldn't be that bad to have one on hand. I would like to see the hunt have 2 divisions. I really don't like competing with the guys who run dogs, that is one reason why I didn't sign up this year. I don't have a problem with the houndsmen, I would rather call. That's just me. To each his own. Just a thought. Thanks.

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you would be able to see the teeth marks in them from the dogs


Hounds don't typically catch coyote around here. A coyote will only typically turn to fight if there is only one or two hounds chasing it. Depending on the breed of hound, many will turn tail and not be willing to fight. Just my experience.
 
i meant after they have been killed. dont they go after the coyote? i have never saw them ran with hounds in person i am just going off the pictures that i have saw and the reasearh i did on hunting them with hounds
 
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it would eliminate any cheating as would skinning. skinning would probaly be the cheaper way to go . skinning would also be able to tell real quick who is lyin and who isnt.


I'm confused here again. How does skinning a coyote tell how it was killed? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
You guys don't realize it's not the hounds catching and killing the coyote, it's the houndsmen shooting them.
 
~ $8,000...

And the coyotes dont need to be caught to be the only way to get bit.. when the coyote is bayed up the dogs will snip as the coyotes [beeep]...
 
I have contacted a polygraph testing agency in Harrisburg and am waiting on an email from them... I would like to have a petition, testing fees, and all other info together, as well as have all the support at the club before this is brought up at an official meeting, I am not fighting the hunt, just want some changes made.. I am not going to go in screaming and yelling, and telling them they MUST do this or that... just explain the facts, and would like to present them with a thousand or 2 names who also would like to see some changes...

I am going to have a petition you can copy and print out for those who may be willing to help.... of which, any and all would be greatly appreciated. and will have the info to mail the forms back to me... and I will hopefully have updates with name counts, polygraph prices, and other info on my web site. anyone who would like more info. or ideas that may help feel free to contact me here.

Thanks,
Steve
 
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it would eliminate any cheating as would skinning. skinning would probaly be the cheaper way to go . skinning would also be able to tell real quick who is lyin and who isnt.


I'm confused here again. How does skinning a coyote tell how it was killed? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
You guys don't realize it's not the hounds catching and killing the coyote, it's the houndsmen shooting them.




There would be bite marks in the pelt after it was skinned beagler. If any bite marks were found on the pelt after it was skinned, and the bite marks were fresh, it would be easy to tell that the coyote was chased by dogs.
 
Not to throw a fly in the ointment but you guys can forget about a polygraph under those conditions. I put 30 yrs on the state police and our polygraph operator needed a min. of 2 hours and complete silence in an office to administer a reliable test. We couldn't even go near that office when he was giving one so that is not an option if you want a true reading. The person has to be preped and wired up then a series of pre questions have to be asked etc etc before the actual questions have to be asked. And the cost of the operator would not be a small fee.
 
I was afraid of that. A friend of mine had to take one quite a few years ago. I hoped they had come along since then. I guess that part hasen't changed.
 
My only point is both my father and I have shot a few coyote in front of our hounds back in the day and none of them was ever "bit". Never had one "bayed up", but I know it' possible . Just like hunting cottontail, coyote circles, we wait for him to show up, bang, end of story, no bite marks. My father's buddies still run fox/coyote hounds and very rarely is there an actual altercation between the yote and hounds.
 
Yeah they run a circle like a rabbit.. sometimes.. other times they will just flat out book it to the next county.. and that is when the dogs will run the yote until it tires to the point it can no longer run.. 9 times out of 10 the dogs are gonna snip at the yote a few times..
 
a polygraph for this would take about one hour, and the cost is 300.00 per test... if the classes were seperated that would be 6 tests... this price also includes a hotel room, and all expenses ... so 1800.00 would get it done... considering the amount taken in, it would be worth the small fee....
 
When you bring in a polygraph test, you're essentially calling every single person in the contest a liar. You lose the whole spirit of hunting and competition at that point. I wouldn't participate in a contest that presumed I was a liar. Leave it according to current hunting regulations, which means you are allowed to use dogs. It's not about which method you used to kill a coyote, it's about killing a coyote. I personally wouldn't use dogs, but I'm fine with people who do, and have a great deal of respect for houndsmen. If you don't like the rules, don't participate. I'm sure they'll still have the contest as they've been having it for years, even if they lose some people who don't like the rules.
 
I called a proffessional who performs these tests, and is also a law enforcement officer.... that is his price to come here, and do the tests.
 
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