Mosquito creek coyote hunt

jsopka, MANY hunts that give out cash prizes are going to this method, it is the only way to seperate the classes, and besides that, when I was out scouting thursday just after dark, there were already people out hunting... I personally seen them... that alone is against the rules.... killing a coyote outside of Pa is also against the rules.... for 8,000. would someone try it... you better believe they would... has it already been done? who knows.... those alone are good enough reasons to justify the test. to compete in the hunt you must be registered....

there are groups out there that only one person pays they all hunt and then if they kill one the person who signed up brings it in.... allowed by the rules, No... does it happen... yep... so yes, there are reasons to do this aside from wanting a calling division... just to make it fair for all involved.
 

Following is my email to the club.

I am interested in knowing the possibility, as well and the thoughts of the club to having a separate division for hounds men and callers? I am a member of the club, and would be no matter if I attended the hunt or not, because I do use the rifle range, and attend the 3d archery events. Many of the hunts nationwide that offer payouts have gone to great lengths to cut out any rule breaking. I personally saw two separate groups out hunting for coyotes Thursday night around 7 and 8pm ... before your hunt ever began... these were in areas near my home that the rest of the year I call, and have not came across any other callers. When your hunt started, many of the participants were callers, and they were the basis your hunt started on..... Myself and many others would like to understand your reasons for not adapting to the changing needs of your members.... as the money prizes grow, so will the requests of your members for new and different things. We would like to see a division for callers, and the top prizes split evenly. There are petitions being started, and those who would like to hear answers... With the money your club receives from this hunt, it could grow even more if the playing field were even, Supporting both the hounds men, and callers.

We have also checked into methods to prevent the rules being broken, even including a polygraph test for the winners..... This would prevent many things, such as early hunting, out of state kills, turning in coyotes taken by hunters who are not registered for the hunt, and the method taken, (i.e. calling/hounds) If you divided your hunt into two classes and were to perform 6 separate tests the cost is 1800.00 this would include the machine, operator, and all costs involved including travel and hotel for the operator. this is a large amount of money but pales in comparison to the amount taken in by this hunt. This is LESS than .50 per hunter. We are interested in your comments, and await a response.
 
A polygraph test? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Just my .02cents but I don't see anything like that ever happening. If you don't like the way a hunt is run don't enter. Better yet get together and start your own. Just my opinion.
 
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I did a seminar up in VanEtton, Ny the end of January. Their coyote hunt had two divisions. One division was for callers and the other for houndsmen. And then after the winners were announced and before they could get their money, they were subjected to a polygraph test. They rolled in a camper and set the test up there. Everyone and I mean everyone that placed in the contest had to take their turn at the test. They figured it was a small price to pay from the profits so that there was no dispute in the end.

 
Looks like a fine letter to me. I need to go over there and toss one out also. May as well get things rolling.

As far as being presumed a liar, who cares? If I was lined up for the first place money, they could call my mother a liar for that matter. I would be more than happy to comply with a polygraph for $8,000 or more dollars. You know, it is only 17 hrs to some super coyote hunting in Oklahoma. It wouldn't be all that hard to spin on out there Thurs ,hunt till noon Sat, and spin on back here for the weigh in. I'm not saying that is feasable, or economical for that matter. Just that it could be done by a couple enterprising individuals. Extreme to say the least. But doable. I don't know if there is a 50lb coyote in all of Oklahoma, but I bet I could come back with more than I have here. I have a friend with family out there, and they're "ranch" is crawling with them. The point is, money like we are talking about at the Mosquito will make people do all sorts of things. If for no other reason than to pull it off. Like I said, it is an extreme example, and only an example. Yes, they would most likely have the hunt wether I am there or not. I am fairly sure it would loose a lot of it's lustre though if say 2,000 entrants didn't show. Along with their membership dues. I'm not sure there is a good solid answer to the splitting of the prize money,but something needs done to level the field. After all, it is people like us, average everyday recreational hunters that have made it what it is today. We deserve to be heard at the very least.
 
Beagler, if you dont see it happening, dont look too far away from here... because it is getting closer... when the prize money grows, so do the problems... seperate classes or not... the other cheating alone is worth the effort.
 
Gimmieabeer, I may head out that way next fall. I am trying to swing a road trip every year for coyote. I am going to enjoy some good yote hunting if it kills me.New Mexico last Oct was a blast. We have some dandy big yotes here in PA, no doubt about that. But, I like to watch them come in and knock a chunk out of them. Nuttin any more fun. Just like the videos.
 
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Beagler, if you dont see it happening, dont look too far away from here... because it is getting closer... when the prize money grows, so do the problems... seperate classes or not... the other cheating alone is worth the effort.


I guess I just never had an interest in hunting to try and win cash /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif. The results of the hunt are up by the way on their website.
 
I like killing 1 or 2 big yotes a year in Pa but would really like to kill 10-15 smaller ones in a week. lol.

Beagler, that hunt that I quoted was in NY, not that far away. Don't take it the wrong way, I really wanna do the hound thing one of these days to see what it is like but would rather call and see the hunt divided into 2 divisions.
 
I'd have no problem with a hunt like that being divided either. I just think they would loose some participants. I just get a kick out of guys saying hunting with hounds is no challange or easy. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
I think any time you set foot in the woods and try to outsmart/take any game by any legal means it is challanging and rewarding. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
I agree with what u say about the challenge, I never said that it was easy going using hounds. I've never done it. I'm not sure anyone else on here said that it was easy, maybe I missed it but I gather that all of the guys on here that call would like to see the odds evened up. Either way, they will lose participants, only the diehards are gonna stick with it anyway.
 
running hounds and calling are both challenging. but the numbers the houndsman are putting up are insane and good job to them. but calling and running are to different types of things. it would be good to have 2 differnt divisions and i think in the long run the hunt would get even bigger in doing this. maybe whoever gets the biggest coyote out of the two groups gets a little extra money or a different prize?
 
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