Most accurate 9mm?

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A Contender in .410 gauge might be quite effective for your needs.



The Contender is a good idea. I would think that one of the H&R single shoots would work too and cost around $125.

Mark
 
My post surely doesn't belong here, but why a 9mm around buildings and such? Are you calling them, dogging them, or what? I will tell you from FIRST HAND experience, hunting with anything but a 22LR around building is NOT a good idea.

I terrier hunt with patterdales and hunt mainly abandoned buildings, barns, woodpiles, etc. Anyhow, we got a coon under the floor boards of a house, pulled it out, and my hunting partner held the dogs back to I could humanely dispatch the coon. We had a little H&R pistol in 32 H&R caliber with the soft loads in it. Just breaking in the gun, first time out with it. Well I was stepping on the coons neck and shoot hit once right under the chin, quick easy kill. Well about a minute later my hunting partner noticed my best dog was walking all weird. I checked her out and her leg was cut really badly. Brought her to the vet and he said she was gunshot. There were bullet fragments in her leg and it broke the leg and severed her artery in the leg. They best we could figure out is the bullet went right thru the coon and hit a nail head on the floor and richochetted it into the dog's leg. I say better her than me or my partner, but a shame none the less. She is completely fine, minus being retired now. The leg is fine, but she is just a breeding dog now with all the scraps she wants in her golden years.

I WOULD NOT USE A 9mm AROUND BUILDINGS EVER, at least if I was not you. If you are just calling for critters, a 22LR, 22mag, or a 20gauge shot gun works a million times better. And it's hard to beat the accuracy of a 20 gauge pattern at 15-20 yards......

VERY SORRY SO LONG WINDED! I don't want to see you make the same mistake I did.
 
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My post surely doesn't belong here, but why a 9mm around buildings and such? Are you calling them, dogging them, or what? I will tell you from FIRST HAND experience, hunting with anything but a 22LR around building is NOT a good idea.

I terrier hunt with patterdales and hunt mainly abandoned buildings, barns, woodpiles, etc. Anyhow, we got a coon under the floor boards of a house, pulled it out, and my hunting partner held the dogs back to I could humanely dispatch the coon. We had a little H&R pistol in 32 H&R caliber with the soft loads in it. Just breaking in the gun, first time out with it. Well I was stepping on the coons neck and shoot hit once right under the chin, quick easy kill. Well about a minute later my hunting partner noticed my best dog was walking all weird. I checked her out and her leg was cut really badly. Brought her to the vet and he said she was gunshot. There were bullet fragments in her leg and it broke the leg and severed her artery in the leg. They best we could figure out is the bullet went right thru the coon and hit a nail head on the floor and richochetted it into the dog's leg. I say better her than me or my partner, but a shame none the less. She is completely fine, minus being retired now. The leg is fine, but she is just a breeding dog now with all the scraps she wants in her golden years.

I WOULD NOT USE A 9mm AROUND BUILDINGS EVER, at least if I was not you. If you are just calling for critters, a 22LR, 22mag, or a 20gauge shot gun works a million times better. And it's hard to beat the accuracy of a 20 gauge pattern at 15-20 yards......

VERY SORRY SO LONG WINDED! I don't want to see you make the same mistake I did.



He's shooting feral cats and groundhogs, both of which hang out around old barns in this area. The GH's dig the holes and the cats are there hunting for mice and keeping out of the weather.

I believe he has a .17 HMR, which would be a much better choice than any centerfire pistol cartridge, for his purposes.

But, he has some money burning a hole in his jeans and wants to get a new toy. And, he has a inclination for the exotic. LOL
 
I think he should just buy the pistol for fun! Use the perfect 17HMR for the critters.

I also have an inclination for the exotic and think claymores would be the way to go with trail cams set up to watch the action! I hate ditch cougars!!!
 
My 5" 9mm Stainless Springfield 1911 and Glock 34 are both very accurate. They're very effective on ground hogs. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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I believe he has a .17 HMR, which would be a much better choice than any centerfire pistol cartridge, for his purposes.


CDR,
I sold the .17 HMR, due to a lack of killing power, without head shots. That is to say, I shot and killed several groundhogs, but not before shooting them 2 or 3 times. I was shooting it from 30 to 120 yards and the result was always the same. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

I switched to my Rock River Arms A4 and got the one shot kills that I was trying to get. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I've found a good deal on a Taurus PT1911 at Floyd's. He has the blued model for $550 and that's with tax. This pistol has good reviews, good features for accuracy and will certainly have the killing power that I want. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

At one point I was looking at a .22 Mag. in a lever action, but the cowboy action activities has pushed the prices of lever action rifles up to over $400. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Good hunting, Bowhunter57
 
I have had a S & W Model 686 6" in 357 and a Ruger GP 100 6" in 357 and they both will shoot 1-1 1/2" at 25 yards with two different loads: 18.0g of IMR 4227 and 18.7g of H110 with a Sierra 125g HP with very little crimp if any at all.

These pistols with these loads are very effective field guns to carry for small game up to and including Javelina. 50 yard shots are not an issue in terms of accuracy and killing power with these guns and loads.

If you are truely looking at 1 1/2" accuracy at 25 yards out of any automatic 9mm, you are going to be spending some serious money on a target pistol that is $1000+.

The Ruger GP 100 has a replacable front and rear sight that allows a "fine" hold with a Beade front sight and a V-notch rear sight. Brownells has a spring kit for the Ruger that will get the trigger way down, easily.

I think that a lot of guys shooting are into "retro-spective falsification" in regards to just how accurate their pistols are. When you are hunting with a pistol, 35-45 yard shots are not uncommon at all, and it is one heck of a good shooting pistol that will shoot 1 1/2" at 25 yards time after time after time.

Not long ago at the rifle range, I saw a Bullseye shooter pull out 8 brand new
Custom built 45's from a custom gun maker. All of them shot 1 to 1 1/2" at 25 yards and the cheapest one of them was $1800 and the high end went $2600. Some of these pistols had 1 1/2" guarantees at 50 yards, but I am sure that the guarantee was from a machine rest, not free handed off sand bags.

I hope that you are wearing some type of Electronic ear muffs when shooting your pistol, even when hunting. Pistols are sure rough on your ears, and a hot loaded 9mm is no different.
 
ackleyman,
I have to agree with what you have to say about accurate semi-autos. Unless a sickening amount of money is being spent, they don't seem to attain the same accuracy that a factory revolver is capable of attaining with some quality reloads.
Even the Taurus 1911 with such great reviews, may be hard pressed to compare to the accuracy of a revolver. However, I've not talked to anyone that owns one. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

At the close ranges that I'll be hunting, a .357 Mag. with .38 Spl. hollow points would be very accurate. So, would a lever action .22 Mag. or a .44 Mag. with light load specials or a .41 Mag. or....too many toys and not enough time. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I just want to make a purchase that I won't regret. So many options/selections. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Good hunting, Bowhunter57
 
For a lot of fun and a very accurate, dependable, and inexpensive gun try the Hipoint 995 carbine. Mine has an ATI stock and it is loads of fun to shoot.
 
If you are considering a .44 magnum, why not just use the .357 you already own? Plus you should wear some sort of hearing protection while shooting pistols anyone, so the noise of the .357 shouldn't be a problem.

Good luck with your choice,

Vaquero38
 
More often than not, I suspect the accuracy thing to be shooter related. I bought a couple of pistols that I couldn't hit the side of a barn from the inside the first time I shot them. My son picks them up and put 5 of 6 inside a dot the size of a silver dollar. I can say the one with adj sights has been decent, once I adjusted it to me.
 
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ackleyman,
I have to agree with what you have to say about accurate semi-autos. Unless a sickening amount of money is being spent, they don't seem to attain the same accuracy that a factory revolver is capable of attaining with some quality reloads.
Even the Taurus 1911 with such great reviews, may be hard pressed to compare to the accuracy of a revolver. However, I've not talked to anyone that owns one. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif

At the close ranges that I'll be hunting, a .357 Mag. with .38 Spl. hollow points would be very accurate. So, would a lever action .22 Mag. or a .44 Mag. with light load specials or a .41 Mag. or....too many toys and not enough time. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I just want to make a purchase that I won't regret. So many options/selections. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Good hunting, Bowhunter57



I think you are going to find a lot of GH's will be rolling around and jumping down their holes with any normal pistol cartridge, unless you make a point of using an expanding bullet that does well on a relatively small animal like a GH. At least that was my experience with the .357 Mag, when I used it for GH hunting. And, if you weren't putting the .17 HMR bullet where it needs to go to anchor the GH on the spot with a rifle, what makes you think you will be able to do any better with a handgun?

You are going to experience a lot of pass throughs, so be aware of how the farmer may feel about you poking holes in his buildings.

I haven't had any problems with the .17HMR, but the longest shot I have taken with it to date was only about 70 yards. And, after they were hit in the neck, they were all bangflops, with the vertical quivering tail surrender being given.
 
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Is there a 9mm out there with 1" to 1 1/2" grouping capability at 25 yards?

Your opinions and experiences are appreciated.
Thank you, Bowhunter57



No. not really. At least not out of the box. You can have one built, but the builder will probably want to build it on a 1911. You might have a chance with one of the Glock "Competition" models in 9mm, if you can shoot Glocks well. I cannot.

Have you tried 38 spl wadcutters in your .357? My revolvers get pretty close to your accuracy requirements with good target ammo, but not with bargain reloads.
 
One of my friends has a Revolver, (I now you said that you had revolver troubles but that was a .357) that shoots 22 mag or 22 LR very accuratly up to about 30 yards. It comes with two cylinders and has about maybe a 7" barrel. I have seen him shoot Grackels with it time and time again. I think that would be the cats meow for hunting small varmints
 
Don't forget, Dan, a 9mm is basically just a slightly "souped up" .38 special, working at higher pressures in a shorter case. Even if you find a decent bullet for it, don't count on it expanding enough on an animal about 6" in diameter to cause any significant tissue damage outside of the path of the bullet. It's going too slow to cause any hydrostatic shock.

Just like the .17 HMR, you can't just aim for center mass and expect the bullet to anchor the GH like a .223 or .22-250 would. You have to aim for a vital spot, like the brain, heart/lung area, or the neck, which has a lot of nerves and blood vessels, and hit it. That's not going to be any easier with a pistol than it was with the .17HMR. It's going to be more difficult.
 
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You have to aim for a vital spot, like the brain, heart/lung area, or the neck, which has a lot of nerves and blood vessels, and hit it. That's not going to be any easier with a pistol than it was with the .17HMR. It's going to be more difficult.



CDR,
I have to agree with you. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I'm looking into a .22 Mag. or .17 HMR with open sights or possibly a red dot. Henry makes a nice lever rifle, as for a bolt action...I think I'd get a Savage, as I've already owned a Marlin.

I'm still looking. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Good hunting, Bowhunter57
 
I have two Browning HP-GP (Gran Pistoles) that were imported about 15 years ago - both are capable of 1" to 1.25" groups at 25 yds from a Ransom Rest.

They are ugly, but they shoot like crazy - you can find them used on some of the gun auction sites.


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bowhunter,
This is a target I shot last fall. It was shot at 25 yards, two hands, slow fire, 5 round strings. It is a full box, 50 rds, of 9MM shot from my Sig 226.

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It probably could have been better but I was getting eye strain.
I've got a Sig P220 in 45 that will do better.

M
 
if hunting feral cats and groundhogs why not buy a five-seven by FN. this is a great pistol and cartridge for this purpose
 


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