chefpierre
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Oh yeah forgot about the furball
need help on caliber choice
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warpig602
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He also want s to shoot Coyotes...not just fox and bobcat. He needs a do all cartridge that has a good selection of factory loads since he doesnt reload and want to remain cost effective at the same time. In my book that would rule out the Hornet and Fireball. The 22 Mag would nt be a bad option except for its limited success with coyotes passed 100 yards give or take.
2muchgun
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Originally Posted By: warpig602Skip the Remington and go with something that works well right out of the box. Im sure the Remingtons are out of your predtermined price range. In my opinion and many other for that matter, an out of the box Tikka/Savage/Stevens/Howa will outshoot a Remington..... for a lot less money compared to the latter 3 I mentioned.
Get a clue and get back with us.........
Get a clue and get back with us.........
warpig602
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Originally Posted By: 2muchgun Originally Posted By: warpig602Skip the Remington and go with something that works well right out of the box. Im sure the Remingtons are out of your predtermined price range. In my opinion and many other for that matter, an out of the box Tikka/Savage/Stevens/Howa will outshoot a Remington..... for a lot less money compared to the latter 3 I mentioned.
Get a clue and get back with us.........
Sure.......ask 100 members on this site if they had to choose a rifle for 500.00 dollars that they had to use without modification of any kind and see how many people pick one of the rifles I specified(most come in under the 500 mark with optics) over a Remington. In fact if you dod a simple search you will have your answer. Some people just fail to realize when a well branded product doesnt carry its weight anymore and refuse to accept that fact.
Get a clue and get back with us.........
Sure.......ask 100 members on this site if they had to choose a rifle for 500.00 dollars that they had to use without modification of any kind and see how many people pick one of the rifles I specified(most come in under the 500 mark with optics) over a Remington. In fact if you dod a simple search you will have your answer. Some people just fail to realize when a well branded product doesnt carry its weight anymore and refuse to accept that fact.
2muchgun
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$500 doesn't leave the door open to much, now does it? Ask them if they could have any rifle at any price how many of them would pick the budget rifles you mention. Not many, Id guess.
No doubt that this site suffers from "budget rifle mania". Long before you were around. I'm quite familiar with this site and it's members. A search isn't necessary.
Maybe you should call all the military and law enforcement agencies across the country and tell them that their Remingtons aren't worth squat. I'm sure you'll have them all shooting Tikkas in no time.........LMAO
No doubt that this site suffers from "budget rifle mania". Long before you were around. I'm quite familiar with this site and it's members. A search isn't necessary.
Maybe you should call all the military and law enforcement agencies across the country and tell them that their Remingtons aren't worth squat. I'm sure you'll have them all shooting Tikkas in no time.........LMAO
flyinlizard1
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You mentioned not having a lot of cash so you might buy a Savage... Don't sell the savage short because of its price,as it is one of the most accurate out of the box rifles going..Get a Savage you will NOT be sorry.
Furhunter
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There isnt anything wrong with shooting a hornet. There isnt anything wrong with a 17FB either. The right box of ammo for either isnt anymore expensive than factory 223 ammo or anything else. If you really look at the prices on quality hunting ammo.... its all expensive, dont matter what it is.
I actually like the Model 7 in a 17FB, not only is it a nice lightweight rifle, its good looking too.
I have been on the remmy bashing wagon for a long time now, but I'll take one of those over most others because of the action, still far and away the strongest factory action on the market right now, every smith in the country will work on them and the aftermarket parts options is broad and available.
I actually like the Model 7 in a 17FB, not only is it a nice lightweight rifle, its good looking too.
I have been on the remmy bashing wagon for a long time now, but I'll take one of those over most others because of the action, still far and away the strongest factory action on the market right now, every smith in the country will work on them and the aftermarket parts options is broad and available.
2muchgun
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Originally Posted By: Furhunter
I have been on the remmy bashing wagon for a long time now, but I'll take one of those over most others because of the action, still far and away the strongest factory action on the market right now, every smith in the country will work on them and the aftermarket parts options is broad and available.
Well said. The other thing, is that most of the problems guys seem to have with Remmys are easily solved by those familiar with them, without the need for a gunsmith. I've had pretty good overall luck with the vast majority of mine........
I have been on the remmy bashing wagon for a long time now, but I'll take one of those over most others because of the action, still far and away the strongest factory action on the market right now, every smith in the country will work on them and the aftermarket parts options is broad and available.
Well said. The other thing, is that most of the problems guys seem to have with Remmys are easily solved by those familiar with them, without the need for a gunsmith. I've had pretty good overall luck with the vast majority of mine........
2muchgun
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Originally Posted By: FurhunterOriginally Posted By: 2muchgun$500 doesn't leave the door open to much, now does it?
Does 500 even buy an option to open a door?
Savage is quite simply the darling of those who cannot, or choose not to, afford a higher priced rifle. It is the most accurate American made rifle out there for the money. That alone makes it highly popular. It is not, however, IME, the most accurate factory rifle of all. I've said it many times, I've nothing against Savage whatsoever, but the Savage crowd tends to pump them up a little too much for my liking. They aren't all that. They shoot no better than the average 700, Vanguard, Sako, Tikka, CZ.......
Also, unlike a Remington or Sako, their resale value is for schit.........
Does 500 even buy an option to open a door?
Savage is quite simply the darling of those who cannot, or choose not to, afford a higher priced rifle. It is the most accurate American made rifle out there for the money. That alone makes it highly popular. It is not, however, IME, the most accurate factory rifle of all. I've said it many times, I've nothing against Savage whatsoever, but the Savage crowd tends to pump them up a little too much for my liking. They aren't all that. They shoot no better than the average 700, Vanguard, Sako, Tikka, CZ.......
Also, unlike a Remington or Sako, their resale value is for schit.........
Mark2
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Guys, I know quite a few custom gun builders and I would have to say Savage actions are used a little bit more than rem. That being said, I love them both, but I love my Howa the most. However lets not get in a pI$$ing contest about whats better Chevy or Ford. Lets try to help this man decide what's best for his situation. Lets face it a cheap sear's and roebuck will kill a coyote at 100 yds, and provide enough accuracy for that distance with a little range time. No offense guys. Myself I want to be as accurate as I can out to 400 yards, because for me thats all I need from my rifle. Just My 2 cents .
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Bayou City Boy
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Originally Posted By: Mark2Guys, I know quite a few custom gun builders and I would have to say Savage actions are used a little bit more than rem.......
Mark2
That's an interesting theory....
-BCB
Mark2
That's an interesting theory....
-BCB
warpig602
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Originally Posted By: 2muchgun$500 doesn't leave the door open to much, now does it? Ask them if they could have any rifle at any price how many of them would pick the budget rifles you mention. Not many, Id guess.
No doubt that this site suffers from "budget rifle mania". Long before you were around. I'm quite familiar with this site and it's members. A search isn't necessary.
Maybe you should call all the military and law enforcement agencies across the country and tell them that their Remingtons aren't worth squat. I'm sure you'll have them all shooting Tikkas in no time.........LMAO
If given the choice of a rifle regardless of cost im sure they wouldnt choose the rifles I mentioned, I doubt they would choose a remington either. Please call the military and police agencies and(who are also on a budget) and ask them how many remington 700's they are currently using without any smith work done to them.....I would guess ,none. No doubt the action is strong and there is aftermarket support for it, that doesnt make an out of the box remington better than other guns of less money. You say most that most of the issues people have with remingtons can be fixed by people who know how to work on them? Why would anyone want to buy a new rifle and have to fix it to get it up to par?
Its not about "budget rifle mania" its about buying a well built, accurate rifle out of the box. Lets face it, whether we say spend 500 or 1000 or 5000......I doubt many would choose a complete remington rifle,in any of those price ranges.
No doubt that this site suffers from "budget rifle mania". Long before you were around. I'm quite familiar with this site and it's members. A search isn't necessary.
Maybe you should call all the military and law enforcement agencies across the country and tell them that their Remingtons aren't worth squat. I'm sure you'll have them all shooting Tikkas in no time.........LMAO
If given the choice of a rifle regardless of cost im sure they wouldnt choose the rifles I mentioned, I doubt they would choose a remington either. Please call the military and police agencies and(who are also on a budget) and ask them how many remington 700's they are currently using without any smith work done to them.....I would guess ,none. No doubt the action is strong and there is aftermarket support for it, that doesnt make an out of the box remington better than other guns of less money. You say most that most of the issues people have with remingtons can be fixed by people who know how to work on them? Why would anyone want to buy a new rifle and have to fix it to get it up to par?
Its not about "budget rifle mania" its about buying a well built, accurate rifle out of the box. Lets face it, whether we say spend 500 or 1000 or 5000......I doubt many would choose a complete remington rifle,in any of those price ranges.
warpig602
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Originally Posted By: 2muchgunOriginally Posted By: FurhunterOriginally Posted By: 2muchgun$500 doesn't leave the door open to much, now does it?
Does 500 even buy an option to open a door?
Also, unlike a Remington or Sako, their resale value is for schit.........
Thats pretty funny considering how many time i've seen a remington sell for the price of the action. Now take a 450 savage and see how many of them sell for 300-350 on a bad day.
Does 500 even buy an option to open a door?
Also, unlike a Remington or Sako, their resale value is for schit.........
Thats pretty funny considering how many time i've seen a remington sell for the price of the action. Now take a 450 savage and see how many of them sell for 300-350 on a bad day.
warpig602
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Originally Posted By: FurhunterThere isnt anything wrong with shooting a hornet. There isnt anything wrong with a 17FB either. The right box of ammo for either isnt anymore expensive than factory 223 ammo or anything else. If you really look at the prices on quality hunting ammo.... its all expensive, dont matter what it is.
True but the cost of the rifle to shoot these caliber will no doubt exceed the price he wanted to spend. I'm offering up suggestions based on his criteria...not as to whats available. As Ir ead it that means a rifle priced arounf the cost of a Stevens in a readily available factory loaded caliber with a good selection of loads. That narrows down the field quite a bit.
True but the cost of the rifle to shoot these caliber will no doubt exceed the price he wanted to spend. I'm offering up suggestions based on his criteria...not as to whats available. As Ir ead it that means a rifle priced arounf the cost of a Stevens in a readily available factory loaded caliber with a good selection of loads. That narrows down the field quite a bit.
Furhunter
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Originally Posted By: warpig602Originally Posted By: FurhunterThere isnt anything wrong with shooting a hornet. There isnt anything wrong with a 17FB either. The right box of ammo for either isnt anymore expensive than factory 223 ammo or anything else. If you really look at the prices on quality hunting ammo.... its all expensive, dont matter what it is.
True but the cost of the rifle to shoot these caliber will no doubt exceed the price he wanted to spend. I'm offering up suggestions based on his criteria...not as to whats available. As Ir ead it that means a rifle priced arounf the cost of a Stevens in a readily available factory loaded caliber with a good selection of loads. That narrows down the field quite a bit.
Your beloved Salvage make a hornet, may be priced a bit higher than a stevens but the OP could make up the difference in a dozen or so fox hides that he wouldnt tear the chit of using it over a 223.
True but the cost of the rifle to shoot these caliber will no doubt exceed the price he wanted to spend. I'm offering up suggestions based on his criteria...not as to whats available. As Ir ead it that means a rifle priced arounf the cost of a Stevens in a readily available factory loaded caliber with a good selection of loads. That narrows down the field quite a bit.
Your beloved Salvage make a hornet, may be priced a bit higher than a stevens but the OP could make up the difference in a dozen or so fox hides that he wouldnt tear the chit of using it over a 223.
Evil_Lurker
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I used to think a lot more of Remingtons before my buddy bought his Sendaro. It sure looked nice, but it wouldn't shoot a group under 2" no matter what he tried.
He finaaly gave up and sold it back to the shop he bought it from (at a loss) and let the next poor sucker have a turn.
Seeing that and how Remington handled the recall on the 597 soured me on them. Who else ships out a $1000 rifle that won't shoot a sub-2 MOA group?
That's a REAL short list.
He finaaly gave up and sold it back to the shop he bought it from (at a loss) and let the next poor sucker have a turn.
Seeing that and how Remington handled the recall on the 597 soured me on them. Who else ships out a $1000 rifle that won't shoot a sub-2 MOA group?
That's a REAL short list.
warpig602
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Originally Posted By: FurhunterOriginally Posted By: warpig602Originally Posted By: FurhunterThere isnt anything wrong with shooting a hornet. There isnt anything wrong with a 17FB either. The right box of ammo for either isnt anymore expensive than factory 223 ammo or anything else. If you really look at the prices on quality hunting ammo.... its all expensive, dont matter what it is.
True but the cost of the rifle to shoot these caliber will no doubt exceed the price he wanted to spend. I'm offering up suggestions based on his criteria...not as to whats available. As Ir ead it that means a rifle priced arounf the cost of a Stevens in a readily available factory loaded caliber with a good selection of loads. That narrows down the field quite a bit.
Your beloved Salvage make a hornet, may be priced a bit higher than a stevens but the OP could make up the difference in a dozen or so fox hides that he wouldnt tear the chit of using it over a 223.
Indeed, however, Im not a Savage fan myself either. Simply pointing out that they make a great reasonably priced, accurate out of the box rifle. Sako/Tikka/Sauer/Steyr get my votes as far as rifles go.
True but the cost of the rifle to shoot these caliber will no doubt exceed the price he wanted to spend. I'm offering up suggestions based on his criteria...not as to whats available. As Ir ead it that means a rifle priced arounf the cost of a Stevens in a readily available factory loaded caliber with a good selection of loads. That narrows down the field quite a bit.
Your beloved Salvage make a hornet, may be priced a bit higher than a stevens but the OP could make up the difference in a dozen or so fox hides that he wouldnt tear the chit of using it over a 223.
Indeed, however, Im not a Savage fan myself either. Simply pointing out that they make a great reasonably priced, accurate out of the box rifle. Sako/Tikka/Sauer/Steyr get my votes as far as rifles go.