need help on caliber choice

Originally Posted By: RePeteOriginally Posted By: warpig602 Contrary to populer belief, government and state agencies are worried about cost.

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Yea,,, and the federal deficete clearly proves it too !!!
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I'm just suprised that more private buisnesses don't do "No-Bid" contracts like the feds. It's clearly shown to be a real cost saver..

No offence Mr WarPig but you really are full of it..
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Oh yea,,, IMO

So you agree that the M9 and M16 are the best weapons money can buy? They must be if the Government buys them. Right.
 
Originally Posted By: warpig602Originally Posted By: RePeteOriginally Posted By: warpig602 Contrary to populer belief, government and state agencies are worried about cost.

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Yea,,, and the federal deficete clearly proves it too !!!
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I'm just suprised that more private buisnesses don't do "No-Bid" contracts like the feds. It's clearly shown to be a real cost saver..

No offence Mr WarPig but you really are full of it..
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Oh yea,,, IMO

So you agree that the M9 and M16 are the best weapons money can buy? They must be if the Government buys them. Right.

I'm confused,,, first it's "government agencies really do try to save your hard earned tax dollars",,, and ten seconds later you're chastizing them for buying junk...

FYI,,, there's a big difference in a battle rifle and a "Sniper" rifle..
The military looks at the weapon's durability, reliability, ease of maintenance in the field, and parts intercahngability. They really couldn't give a chit what it costs.
Like I said,,, "it's not their money"..
I'll put money on the fact that the choice of contractors has alot more to do with political allies (read money and coruption) than cost to taxpayers..

Have a nice Weekend Mr WarPig,,, or can I just call ya Piggy for short..
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That's a joke,,, don't get your shorts in a knot..
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warpig;

I've figured out your role in life.... You will do well being someones ex-wife.. I understand they are always right, too, even if they have no real facts to argue with but can make up the facts as they go on and on and on......
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Have a nice weekend.... I sure hope your poll doesn't work like you want it to. If it does, I might would have to take your advice and sell a bunch of rifles... And pigs fly, too....
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-BCB
 
Originally Posted By: RePeteOriginally Posted By: warpig602Originally Posted By: RePeteOriginally Posted By: warpig602 Contrary to populer belief, government and state agencies are worried about cost.

crazy.gif
Yea,,, and the federal deficete clearly proves it too !!!
crazy.gif


I'm just suprised that more private buisnesses don't do "No-Bid" contracts like the feds. It's clearly shown to be a real cost saver..

No offence Mr WarPig but you really are full of it..
laugh.gif

Oh yea,,, IMO

So you agree that the M9 and M16 are the best weapons money can buy? They must be if the Government buys them. Right.

I'm confused,,, first it's "government agencies really do try to save your hard earned tax dollars",,, and ten seconds later you're chastizing them for buying junk...

FYI,,, there's a big difference in a battle rifle and a "Sniper" rifle..
The military looks at the weapon's durability, reliability, ease of maintenance in the field, and parts intercahngability. They really couldn't give a chit what it costs.
Like I said,,, "it's not their money"..
I'll put money on the fact that the choice of contractors has alot more to do with political allies (read money and coruption) than cost to taxpayers..

Have a nice Weekend Mr WarPig,,, or can I just call ya Piggy for short..
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That's a joke,,, don't get your shorts in a knot..
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Im sure you are confused, no big deal, thats what im here for. You should learn that staements in quotes should be word for word, try using the quote feature. Ive always said they dont buy the best equipment money can buy, your buddies like to think that they do, not me. If they arent concerened about costs as you say, why dont we have the best equipment that money can buy?
 
Originally Posted By: Bayou City Boywarpig;

I've figured out your role in life.... You will do well being someones ex-wife.. I understand they are always right, too, even if they have no real facts to argue with but can make up the facts as they go on and on and on......
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Have a nice weekend.... I sure hope your poll doesn't work like you want it to. If it does, I might would have to take your advice and sell a bunch of rifles... And pigs fly, too....
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-BCB

I will gladly do this poll on another site if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy? Since Ididnt ask "What action is the best" and I did ask "what rifle out of the box without any modifications or gunsmith work" would you buy, Im willing to bet Remington still wont come out on top.
 
I guess that is in lieu of the fact that they do come out on top every year, right?

What bolt action action rifle out sells the Remington 700?

None.

There. I saved you some time you would have wasted on a poll. Your welcome.....
 
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You're right,,, everyone in Washington wakes up every day with nothing else on their minds than seeing how much of OUR money they can save..
You kinda remind me of one of these dedicated buauracrats the way you spin things..

I'll keep my Remmy's and you can keep talkin..
Later Piggy..
 
Originally Posted By: warpig602Originally Posted By: Bayou City Boywarpig;

I've figured out your role in life.... You will do well being someones ex-wife.. I understand they are always right, too, even if they have no real facts to argue with but can make up the facts as they go on and on and on......
thumbup.gif


Have a nice weekend.... I sure hope your poll doesn't work like you want it to. If it does, I might would have to take your advice and sell a bunch of rifles... And pigs fly, too....
lol.gif


-BCB

I will gladly do this poll on another site if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy? Since Ididnt ask "What action is the best" and I did ask "what rifle out of the box without any modifications or gunsmith work" would you buy, Im willing to bet Remington still wont come out on top.

And you seem to be the only person who really cares. What's your agenda, friend..? Is insecurity a normal trait for you..?

Stop spinning chit for whatever reasons and I'll gladly pretend you don't exist....

Again the spelling and grammar are suffering.....
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Appreantly Im not the only one who cares since you guys are posting as much as me. Yes, my grammar and spelling are something to be desired, its tough trying to keep up with you guys on 3 different posts.
 
My "agenda" was simply to prove that Remington rifles arent the best in the worls as claimed by your buddy. Just as Ford trucks arent the best even though they have sold more trucks than anyone.
 
Originally Posted By: warpig602I just stated my reason rather clearly. Open your eyes a little wider.

No doubt about it... You are indeed a legend in your own mind...

As for your "agenda".... Maybe poll a group of Democrats to determine if Obama is a genius. The results there should prove something, too. Right..??

Sheesh....
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-BCB
 
Bad mouthing Remington on their forums will get the same result as you see here... Lot of pages of random to read through here to catch up. I love how everyone gets so offended about an others opinion. Now A opinion of the best out of the box firearm is really A individual preference. I have shot various competitions since I was 8 yrs old. Air rifle to 1500 yard 5 shot matches. So best gun, depends on what I want to do with it. For the most part, for those that are not in actual competition this is virtually A meaningless discussion. Virtually every manufacturer makes A firearm that A trained monkey could shoot accurately. Levels of accuracy that are relevant here are in the neighborhood of less then A inch over all. And for the most part every time my heart beats and I am holding on at 100 yards my aim point moves about a half inch. at 200 about A inch. About 1 1/2 at 300. So on and so forth. simple math as it gets longer. Most people flinch worse then that at the best of times anyway. Most of that is due to poor mechanics in their shooting. So my point is.. WHO CARES WHICH GUN IS BEST OUT OF THE BOX. When most can't shoot the gun well enough to know the difference anyway. And most don't spend the time to build A load that maximizes the guns potential. And I guarantee you that the government purchased rifles are the most user friendly and not necessarily most accurate out there. They are putting them in the hands of those that may have never handled A gun in their lives. So they need to be tough, Reliable, Simple to maintain. Not the most accurate. Purpose of application! As A side note. I have A rem. 700 I have put over 15,000 rounds through the action. changed the barrel after about 9500 rounds. Good gun. I mainly shoot A Tikka now. only have 2800 rounds through it and it shoots just as well as the 700. Loads and the shooter make A gun accurate. Out of the box most mass produced comparable guns are reasonably similar. Good luck boys.

Rhino.
 
Rhino, there are some pretty darn good shooters in this community. Plenty of them will take the time to do the necessary smithing and load development to get every last bit of accuracy/precision from their rifle. They may not be competitive shooters, but on the other hand, I recognize quite a few here that are. Some folks (even me, though I am not sure I can out shoot the monkey) want to purchase a rifle that will be relatively easy to make shoot up to their expectations.
John
 
pcammo. Oh I do understand that there are bound to be some true shooters here. But the buffaloing each other due to this side or that is ridiculous. And as I am sure you know I would like my rifle to handle different then yours to get that accuracy. And my point is that unless you are into competition shooting this discussion is relatively pointless. As each individual is going to have their own choice for which is best. As I said unless you have spent the time to truly train yourself or be coached to time and place shots the level of error in the shooter is more substantial then the difference in the comparable "Out of the Box" rifles. If I want A 1000+ yard accurate target gun then I have one built for it. And that rifle never is "Out of the Box"... Making this A pointless discussion... Spend just as much money machining and milling and parting out a factory rifle as just getting A match rifle built to fit you. If you are truly looking for the most accurate rifle. Good luck.

Rhino.
 
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