SteveM : Please do the following test at 100 Yd -five shot group targets. Starting with a clean barrel, then after 50 rounds, then after 100 rounds , then after 150 rounds. If the Rem 17 Fireball will group under one inch after fireing 150 rounds with out cleaning the barrel, then I got to have one.It is common to shoot 150 to 300 rounds a day when shooting prairie dogs . My 17 Rem Sako rifle with 25 Gr bullet reloads has to be cleaned after 50 rounds to keep it shooting under one inch groups.
New Rem .17 Fireball Gun & Ammo
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kayo2, wished I could help you out but there is no way I can do this now. Not enough ammo available. Have to wait until dies are out and I can assure you it will be tested. I only have 100 rds of ammo at this time. Have to save some for PD testing. I know what you are saying and will get this check out. The problem with this is different barrels react in different ways.
My Tikka .17 HB has shot well over 150 rds on PD's with no problems. My 17 CZ and Rem 17 does well too. I have a new Krieger .17 barrel for my .17 Rem to test as well. I don't shoot 25gr bullets at PD's only 20gr V-Max @ 4300 fps. Use 30gr bullets for Predators at 3970 fps.
My Tikka .17 HB has shot well over 150 rds on PD's with no problems. My 17 CZ and Rem 17 does well too. I have a new Krieger .17 barrel for my .17 Rem to test as well. I don't shoot 25gr bullets at PD's only 20gr V-Max @ 4300 fps. Use 30gr bullets for Predators at 3970 fps.
Not to take away from Remington's desire to supply the shooting public with new calibers, but it seems that all they have done is copy someones hard work.
The 17 Remington was preceded by the wildcat17/222 mag
The 22-250 was the 22 Varminter
The 25-06 was a wild cat
The 35 Whelan was a wild cat
The 17 fire ball equals the wildcat 17MK4
So lets give the pat on the back to the old timers who came up with the original ideas.
Chuck
The 17 Remington was preceded by the wildcat17/222 mag
The 22-250 was the 22 Varminter
The 25-06 was a wild cat
The 35 Whelan was a wild cat
The 17 fire ball equals the wildcat 17MK4
So lets give the pat on the back to the old timers who came up with the original ideas.
Chuck
CatShooter
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Not to take away from Remington's desire to supply the shooting public with new calibers, but it seems that all they have done is copy someones hard work.
The 17 Remington was preceded by the wildcat17/222 mag
The 22-250 was the 22 Varminter
The 25-06 was a wild cat
The 35 Whelan was a wild cat
The 17 fire ball equals the wildcat 17MK4
So lets give the pat on the back to the old timers who came up with the original ideas.
Chuck
And lets give the pat on the back to Remington for bringing proven cartridges to the shooting public, who would otherwise, never have them. And for supplying a factory source of brass to those who can't, or don't want to, go through the process of case forming for wildcats.
And lets not forget the the many cases that were originated from the Remington shops.
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Not to take away from Remington's desire to supply the shooting public with new calibers, but it seems that all they have done is copy someones hard work.
The 17 Remington was preceded by the wildcat17/222 mag
The 22-250 was the 22 Varminter
The 25-06 was a wild cat
The 35 Whelan was a wild cat
The 17 fire ball equals the wildcat 17MK4
So lets give the pat on the back to the old timers who came up with the original ideas.
Chuck
And lets give the pat on the back to Remington for bringing proven cartridges to the shooting public, who would otherwise, never have them. And for supplying a factory source of brass to those who can't, or don't want to, go through the process of case forming for wildcats.
And lets not forget the the many cases that were originated from the Remington shops.
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SteveM : Please do the following test at 100 Yd -five shot group targets. Starting with a clean barrel, then after 50 rounds, then after 100 rounds , then after 150 rounds. If the Rem 17 Fireball will group under one inch after fireing 150 rounds with out cleaning the barrel, then I got to have one.It is common to shoot 150 to 300 rounds a day when shooting prairie dogs . My 17 Rem Sako rifle with 25 Gr bullet reloads has to be cleaned after 50 rounds to keep it shooting under one inch groups.
My sako would do that also but I use molly bullets know and can shoot up 250 rounds. I did not care for molly in any of my other guns but .17 seems to like it.
SteveM : Please do the following test at 100 Yd -five shot group targets. Starting with a clean barrel, then after 50 rounds, then after 100 rounds , then after 150 rounds. If the Rem 17 Fireball will group under one inch after fireing 150 rounds with out cleaning the barrel, then I got to have one.It is common to shoot 150 to 300 rounds a day when shooting prairie dogs . My 17 Rem Sako rifle with 25 Gr bullet reloads has to be cleaned after 50 rounds to keep it shooting under one inch groups.
My sako would do that also but I use molly bullets know and can shoot up 250 rounds. I did not care for molly in any of my other guns but .17 seems to like it.
It has always been that way Blue. Have seen many rounds come to life copied off others great ideas. It is too easy to change around a cartridge to call it your own.
11, I have never liked moly and if I had to use it to make a rifle shoot, would get another rifle or caliber. .17's with custom barrels generally do pretty well when it comes to holding accuracy for a large number of rounds. All area different. I am very happy with all my factory .17's. Just got a Krieger .17 barrel for one of my switch guns to try out.
11, I have never liked moly and if I had to use it to make a rifle shoot, would get another rifle or caliber. .17's with custom barrels generally do pretty well when it comes to holding accuracy for a large number of rounds. All area different. I am very happy with all my factory .17's. Just got a Krieger .17 barrel for one of my switch guns to try out.
GrouseSetter
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I checked Ebay last night and there were two Rem 700 17 Fireball barrels for sale. It seems odd that someone would be selling these already.
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missedshot
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Hello all, got a question on the 17Mach IV.Can this cartridge be downloaded to around HMR velocities with pistol powder such as Blue-Dot without dangerous pressures? I realize there are other calibers for this purpose but I like versatility.Thanks ahead for any info.
missedshot
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Can you guys tell me about the noise level of this cartridge compared to the .223 Rem. or the Hornet and while we're at it the 17HMR.Thanks.
Missed, welcome to the board.
I am sure you can download a Mach IV or the .17 Fireball we are talking about here. However, these rounds have no published data for such in manuals. I would call the powder companines such as Hodgdon and ask them. Reason for the rounds in the first place is speed with less powder.
What reasons are you looking to download these for? .17 HMR is too light for most anything as it is. Noise level is high with any centerfire rifle round. Hearing protection is required for anything over a .22 lr and I use them for .22's as well.
I am sure you can download a Mach IV or the .17 Fireball we are talking about here. However, these rounds have no published data for such in manuals. I would call the powder companines such as Hodgdon and ask them. Reason for the rounds in the first place is speed with less powder.
What reasons are you looking to download these for? .17 HMR is too light for most anything as it is. Noise level is high with any centerfire rifle round. Hearing protection is required for anything over a .22 lr and I use them for .22's as well.
The Hornady Handbook Of Cartridge Reloading Volume I 6th Edition pages 76 and 77 17 Mach IV reloading data...The lowest velocity for the 20 Gr V-Max bullet 3,600 ft/sec. Max ft/sec 4100.. 25 Gr HP bullet lowest ft/sec=3,200. Fastest =3,700 ft/sec. I could not find any load = to the 17 HMR 2550 ft/sec or the 20 Gr HMR bullet.
missedshot
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Alright guys, I knew I would get kicked around a little and I understand your reactions,OK here's the details and the reasons for my questions.Upon reading about the .17 MachIV becoming a factory loading .17 Remington Fireball in Varmint or Predator magazine I became very excited and IMMEDIATLY went home to my computer and on to Remingon's website and found it was the truth!The reason for my interest?The autor of this particular article{I don't remember the mag. or the author}said the round had a low muzzle signature, and it shot flat, and was inexpensive to reload.As I have read here and other places these two loadings are very similar although not exactly the same, so I go to www.reloadersnest.com to the rifle section and to 17 MachIV and the caption for this cartridge toward the end says,"...Muzzleblast is in a different league from larger 17's and various 22's...",,Now for the "What reasons?" I too thought the .17 HMR was light and limited, But if I could buy a factory gun in .17 cal. and load my own it would be near perfect.As far as the noise goes without hearing protection the HMR, .22Mag., and the .22 Hornet are tolerable, but the .223 Rem. is painful! I know I should invest in some Pro-Ears or Walker's Game Ears, etc...Also my wife does'nt like the "roar" of the .223..By the way I'm shooting crows and chucks at extended ranges and an occational coyote.Thanks for the warm welcome and not kicking me too much. I like the professionalism and attention to detail you guys give especially in reference to safety and sane judgement.
CatShooter
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Missed...
The 17 Fireball will not be as loud as the 17 Rem, but it will be almost as loud.
It will be louder than a .221 rifle, and you need ear protection for that too. I have shot the .221 in open fields and it's livable as the shooter, but loud to anyone on either side.
WEAR EAR PROTECTION... buy me a beer sometime and I'll tell you about the constand ringing in both of my ears... "WHAT DID YOU SAY???"
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The 17 Fireball will not be as loud as the 17 Rem, but it will be almost as loud.
It will be louder than a .221 rifle, and you need ear protection for that too. I have shot the .221 in open fields and it's livable as the shooter, but loud to anyone on either side.
WEAR EAR PROTECTION... buy me a beer sometime and I'll tell you about the constand ringing in both of my ears... "WHAT DID YOU SAY???"
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The 20gr bullet Rem loads would be alright for crows/chucks but it is not a predator round! You are gonna have to step up to a 25gr HP like a Nagel, Hammett, or such with a thicker jacket. It is not gonna be inexpensive to reload as good bullets cost alot more than they use too. It will be cheaper than factory loads. It is gonna be a high pitched crack much like the 17 Rem. You have to be careful with these small cases.
bigc
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I have personally seen 2 coyoutes taken at 200-225 yds. One shot in the neck dropped like it was pole axed. No exit wound, no blood except for tiny spec at the point of entrance. The other was shot behind the shoulder, it spun for a few bseconds then went 60 yds and piled up dead. I was VERY skeptical, but after that I would not hesitate to shoot coyotes with it 200 yds and under. One other however, the bullet exploded on a sage brush and peppered the coyote with the reminants of the bullet.
Just my input on a real life situation.
Like we all know, placement placement placement!
C
Just my input on a real life situation.
Like we all know, placement placement placement!
C