New rifle: what round to drop coyotes and save fur on bobcats?

Thanks for all the advice. I'm now leaning towards the 22-250. I've always wanted one and I would like to have the capability to make those longer shots. But as far as fur friendly and deadly projectiles I am limited to lead free as I live in California
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Originally Posted By: geenhead93Thanks for all the advice. I'm now leaning towards the 22-250. I've always wanted one and I would like to have the capability to make those longer shots. But as far as fur friendly and deadly projectiles I am limited to lead free as I live in California
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Try some of the 40gr varmit grenades
 
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If you are in california, are you planning on selling the hides at all?? if not why worry about blowouts?

If i was in most of california, the hides are not worth much and it can be a pain to export or sell the hides.. If this was the case, I would get what was fun to shoot and since there are area's with hogs, i would just get a hog caliber and call it good.
 
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Tbone, Two very good points. I may sell some of the bobcat fur if I can. If not I would still like to save the hides for my personal collection. I have been using a .243 win so far so I can kill hogs if I get the chance but it feels like kind of a waste not being able to save the bobcat furs. We do get some nice ones occasionally. I also may hunt out of CA in the future and hopefully move out of state when I can.

I'm still leaning towards the 22-250
 
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There is a pretty well known predator caller around here and his go to rifle is a .204 in AR-15 platform. He likes the .204 because he gets the occasional crack at a cat and he likes what it does (or doesn't do) to the fur
 
So far, the best compromise I've been able to come up with is a .222 with 40 grain Vmax. You can pretty much expect a .22-250 to blow a cat to pieces, & a .223 will do it often enough to break your heart.
 
I think the .204 will reach out the distance You want and with a 32,35 or 40 Grain ballistic tip bullet You'll do less hide damage!It should take down a Coyote with ease and be easy on the Fur of smaller Predators like a Fox or Bobcat!
 
Get on a ballistic calculator and run a comparison between the .204 and 22-250 with as many factors being equal as possible...Normally, you will find very little difference in the areas that count..Available Energy at given distances, Trajectory, More ability to see hits with .204 and less recoil..

If you reload, the .204 with Berger 35gr bullets is a pretty secure combination for Coyotes and with most non-ballistic tip bullets and proper shot placement, you will have less damage to the pelts of smaller/lighter weight animals than with the 22-250...Now, if you are just set on a 22-250, go for it....
 
Originally Posted By: OldTurtleGet on a ballistic calculator and run a comparison between the .204 and 22-250 with as many factors being equal as possible...Normally, you will find very little difference in the areas that count..Available Energy at given distances, Trajectory, More ability to see hits with .204 and less recoil..

If you reload, the .204 with Berger 35gr bullets is a pretty secure combination for Coyotes and with most non-ballistic tip bullets and proper shot placement, you will have less damage to the pelts of smaller/lighter weight animals than with the 22-250...Now, if you are just set on a 22-250, go for it....


OT is spot on.
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I don't understand the need to shoot a bobcat over 60 yards. I usually don't see them until they're that close....
.17 remington works great on called bobcats. But, again, I don't shoot them until they are close.
 
I am planning on using my .22 hornet for calling more now, since its lighter to carry and should kill just fine at my normal shooting ranges when calling, and I'd like to get some coyotes and bobcats worth tanning or mounting.

I've been following this post for awhile so I checked the CA regs since I'm also interested in selling furs, and my understanding is that you can't sell them unless you have a trappers license. Something to think about, and may be worth a phone call to fish and game to find out for sure. Whereabouts in N. CA are you?
 
What kind of speed would fall in best for the 40 grain vmax in the 22-250?? Looking at coyotes and cats and try to save hides.
Got some 55 grain spsx and Speer 52 grain hp's.
Most shots would fall at 200 and under.
Thanks
Jeff
 
1. 223 is good to 300 yards... in Nevada I used a .223 w/ a 40 gr bullet and with the savings (in 2009 .223 was CHEAP of course) PRACTICED, PRACTICED, PRACTICED...
2.Bobcats are small. A 10mph gust comes up you can make bad shot placement or miss. Get what you want, but load it slow (.223 40 grain down to 3250) or light (17 hmr 20 gr, 204 32 gr).
3.Excessive damage is not just the 22 or 25 caliber question. It's energy. Look at energy numbers. An old Winchester 25-35 with a 16" barrel with a 75 grain will make a single hole, because there isn't much energy.
4.You will get the fever when you know you fooled something as smart as a bobcat; it will destroy your accuracy. Most are smarter than the average human. They might come for food and get shot, but live in their shoes and they aren't doing to bad considering we've been trying to wipe them out for hundreds of years. Think about it, the Lynx almost died off. Not so with Bobcats. Coyotes? Remember that wolves weren't prevalent in the lower 48 for a almost 50 years until we brought them back and protected them. These animals didn't get wiped out because they didn't give people the ability to kill them easily. Most coyotes in hard hunted areas have learned, and only give in to instinct when they are assured of food. Even then they pause and look, multiple times. You need to make your shots go to the right spot, EXACTLY the right spot.
5.Every rifle is different. Same load, action, same McGowan barrels, trued by the same gunsmith, elevation, etc. They have different speeds, and flight characteristics. A rifle that shoots different means a different amount of speed, and therefore energy; and a different amount of doping for wind, drop, etc.Technology has improved this, but it is still prevalent.
6.Even with a custom built rifle you have to be able to read the wind, distance, slope, elevation, account for temp drop (air thickness; most people sight in their rifle at 45-70+ degrees and it will be 12 degrees when they go hunting), etc. Practice, Practice, Practice. Because if it was as easy as having money to dump in a rifle no one in my family would hunt coyotes very well. Or save the hide on a cat. My rifle and scope cost $275, and even with that [beeep] pos, I still have coyotes out to 200, 225 on a good down or uphill, 250 yards on a steep mountain at 10x. How do I use a 10X at 250 yards? Only in perfect conditions; some days I'd be as good off with a 22lr. Pick your equipment, bend your tactics to its strengths, and then minimize your disadvantages. What tactics work for you are yours and yours alone. That's all experience, from on the range to shooting outdoors at different elevations, etc., to hunting.
 
Honestly I don't feel there is a fur saving combo there with these options. I have a 22-250 and quite frankly 300-500 yard shots are fantasy. Around here, even though views extend well beyond that, shooting into 1-2 moa is very difficult even with practice. Shooting bobs is risky for saving fur for sure. I would carry two guns if I thought I stood a chance of seeing a bob, probably a 17hmr suppressed in my case.
 
I have shot several bobcat with 22-250 and 55 grain v-max it has barely left evidence of the bobcat being hit except a dead bobcat of course. I think its more about bullet than gun in smaller calibers. I now use my airgun and it is completely fur friendly.
 
I hunt with a Tikka t-3 22-250 and load 34gr. of Varget with a 55gr. Hornady sp. On the bobcats I have shot with this load, I do get a complete pass through. However, I usually have a 22 cal. entry and an exit no bigger than a quarter. That size exit is an easy fix.
 
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