New Winchester 12g BB

Originally Posted By: AdamTI got 2 boxes the other day, I haven't got to pattern them yet.

Well let us know what happens when you do test them out. I dont know when I will be able to test them and I'm chomping at the bit to see how these work. Hevi shot is way to expensive and the Hornady rounds are decent but leave a lot to be desired.
 
Ive shot a few of those thru my 870. All of them shot/patterned very well. For grins and giggles I tried one at 60yds and I guess you could say it killed the paper coyote target. But I doubt Id take that same shot in an actual hunting situation.
I think I used a carlson Dead Coyote .665" choke.
 
One thing to keep in mind is that regardless of how well a given load patterns the individual pellets still need enough energy to penetrate through hide, muscle and possibly bone to reach vital organs and disrupt their function.
 
Originally Posted By: GCOne thing to keep in mind is that regardless of how well a given load patterns the individual pellets still need enough energy to penetrate through hide, muscle and possibly bone to reach vital organs and disrupt their function.

+1

I might add, if you knock them down, with even their tail still moving, hit them again, and again. If they figure out that they are not dead, they may get up doing 80 mph.

Manufacturers have a fantastic cost in setting up machines to run, they often produce a lot of Scrap in the process. So, they may make a run of your favorite shell once a year or once every 18 months. So, if you have a favorite shell that your gun likes, buy 10 boxes or more, and good chances are you will have to mail order it. Finding predator shotgun shell loads in local stores is almost a joke.

This particular Win shell may be a trial run to see how the public will like it and how retailers will order it. Follow up orders may not happen, as manufactures are adopting an 80/20 plan on their production. The 80/20 plan is that 80% of their sales is in 20% of their production, this philosophy lends it's self to higher profit as set up time and changer overs are minimal at best. This is the major reason that we have seen rare caliber brass not produced by Win, Rem, and Federal. All these companies are publically traded stocks, and they report to Wall Street. Profits have to be up, so eliminating waste is critical for them.

If you find that your favorite choke/gun likes xyz brand/load, stock up best you can afford. I believe this is what you call hoarding, or get into reloading your own shot shells and it is very expensive to get set up to start loading buckshot, I would not advise it unless you are already a self professed looney on this stuff, as I am.

Not too many years ago, in this country, you had two choices in 12ga, 3" lead BB, and 3" #4 Buckshot...that was it...period, if you did not reload!! This is very hard to imagine for the young men out there reading this. If Hillary gets elected, things may change dramatically for the worst, especially if Ca. type laws are passed where back ground checks are used for ammo purchases.

Get what you can, while you can. If Liberal loonies get at the wheel, no telling what kind of ammo you will have access to as ammo makers come even under stricter control.

I will get off my soap box now, sorry for the rant.

There are many, many great predator shells on the market now, and during these hot Summer months is the very best time to test them using newspaper or other patten board material.

During late July and August, the pups are on their own, great time to get out and have some fun going from the pattern board to Hair! It would not be a stretch in some areas that every coyote will kill 80 fawns in their lifetime.
 
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I agree with Ackleyman, if there looks to be any life in a coyte on the ground hit em again. This past season my hunting partner dropped a coyote with his shotgun. I couldn't see if it was still moving or not but after a five minute "nap" it got up and started running away. Luckily my partner dropped it for good this time. I thought he called in another coyote!!
 
Originally Posted By: jacobhwrdOriginally Posted By: AdamTI got 2 boxes the other day, I haven't got to pattern them yet.

Well let us know what happens when you do test them out. I dont know when I will be able to test them and I'm chomping at the bit to see how these work. Hevi shot is way to expensive and the Hornady rounds are decent but leave a lot to be desired.

Copper coated or nickel coated lead BB shot just can't compete with the harder and denser tungsten alloy BB and T shot pellets.

If you can buy the Federal Heavyweight 3" 1-1/2 oz BB loads for about the same or less than the Hevi-Shot Dead Coyote 3" 1-1/2 oz loads BUY THE FEDERAL HEAVYWEIGHT BB loads.

Hevi-Shot is about 10% denser than lead, Federal Heavyweight shot is about 35% denser than lead. The 3" Federal Heavyweight loads have 62 pellets in each shell and the Hev-Shot DC T loads have 50 pellets per shell.

So there are 12 more pellets in the Federal Heavyweight BB loads. Each of these types of shot can kill a coyote with just one pellet so why not use the load with 12 more pellets in it.

Just make sure the Federal ammo you buy is Federal Heavyweight NOT Federal High Density.

I do not recommend shooting at coyotes at over 50 yards away because the shotgun pattern gives up way before the energy and penetration gives up on these denser than lead loads.

Check out the distances the KPY Shotshell Ballistic Program shows 3.70" of gel penetration for Hevi--Shot, Federal Heavyweight shot and nickel plated BB shot.

Nickel plated lead BB shot at 1300 fps gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 46.1 yards.


Hevi-Shot DC "T" shot at 1300 fps gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 85.0 yards.


Federal Heavyweight Coyote BB shot at 1300 fps gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 101.7 yards.

Federal Heavyweight #2 shot waterfowl loads at 1450 fps gets 3.70" of gel penetration at 79.1 yards.

If you search around you can still find some of the denser than lead 3" waterfowl loads in sizes #2, B and BB that make great coyote loads. The Federal Heavyweight #2 shot loads are the only #2 shot loads I would use on coyotes but the Remington HD BB, Winchester Xtended Range B shot and Hevi-Shot B shot are all better coyote loads than lead BB shot is.

Just a few weeks ago a guy at the trap range told me he had some 3-1/2" Remington HD "T" shot loads he wanted to get rid of. I went by his house and saw what he had and offered him $100.00 for 5 boxes of the Remington HD 3-1/2" T shot loads and one box of Federal 3-1/2" lead #5 Turkey loads.

He jumped on it and was excited to get $100.00 for those shells. I don't have a 3-1/2" shotgun but a good friend hunting buddy of mine was very happy to get those 60 shells for $100.00. LOL

 
I have to agree with Ackleyman that if you find ammo that your gun really likes, stock up on it.
I have seen what he posted about brass and ammo for certain calibers also come true. I own 2 Remingtons chambered for 6.5mm Rem. Mag. and brass and shells were almost impossible to get until they brought out the 673. It became available for awhile and again is now very hard to find, thank goodness I reload and really stocked up on brass when it was available.
 
I have looked for the Federal HW Coyote BB youre talking about and have had other recommend it but i have yet to actually find a box so i could test it myself. So far the Hevi-shot DC T-shot is the best i can do. Hopefully it wont rain this weekend and i can try out the Winchesters they just put out. I will still be looking for the Federals though.
 
Originally Posted By: hm1996FWIW
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/219267/...-shot-box-of-10

Regards,
hm
I have some of those shells actually. When I first tried them I didn't realize they had the versatile wad and it shot HORRIBLY out of my carlsons DC. Then I saw where it was designed to be shot through IC or Mod choke. I tried both and got a much better pattern out of the IC but it was still nothing close to what I got out of my Carlsons DC with Hevi-shot dead coyote Tshot. That stuff is just so expensive I am still hoping to find something that patterns as well but won't cost me so much.
 
Originally Posted By: jacobhwrdOriginally Posted By: hm1996FWIW
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/219267/...-shot-box-of-10

Regards,
hm
I have some of those shells actually. When I first tried them I didn't realize they had the versatile wad and it shot HORRIBLY out of my carlsons DC. Then I saw where it was designed to be shot through IC or Mod choke. I tried both and got a much better pattern out of the IC but it was still nothing close to what I got out of my Carlsons DC with Hevi-shot dead coyote Tshot. That stuff is just so expensive I am still hoping to find something that patterns as well but won't cost me so much.

The Varmint X shells were a nice cost effective alternative to the Hevishot T Dead Coyote loads. I shot the Varmint X shells thru my Carlson coyote choke in my 870 and I wasnt disappointed. You may want try thatbcombo.
 
I just can't spend the money on the hevi shot. I bought the Winchester 12 gauge varmit x at a reasonable price. Have been able to pattern in my supernova with carlson's dead coyote choke very nice pattern to 60 yards. Penetration through 3/8" plywood all pellets. Have not shot coyote with one yet. I wish they would have come with #4 buck I have only seen bb. I would not hesitate at 60 yards if conditions were right
 
In my opinion 60 yards is just to far for good penetration on coyotes with plated lead BB shot. Your pattern doesn't mean anything if the penetration you are getting is not enough.

Below is what Hornady says about their Heavy Magnum nickel plated BB loads.


Product Information

Hornady Heavy Magnum, Coyote Ammunition was designed to deliver lethal results with minimal pelt damage out to 50 yards. Each shell is loaded with 1-1/2 oz nickel plated lead shot. This lead shot payload is delivered in a tight, dense pattern because of the VERSATITE wad which has a range-extending baffling system that strips the wad cleanly from the shot string for exceptional pattern density.
 
I'm in agreement Bob. I've had good kills with lead BB's at 35 - 40 yards, and a bit more on occasion. I've also rolled coyotes with the first shot of lead BB and had them haul butt and then dumped two more shots at them as they were scooting away and not anchor them with lead BB's as the distances stretched out on those escaping runners.

I'm always curious about patterns though. Still would like to hear about the pattern, choke and gun combination.
 
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