Night Force Optics for coyotes?

I'm not really going to jump in on this doggie pile, but a great barrel maker once told me "Why spend $2000 on a rifle and $800 on a scope?"
That firearm is only as accurate as the optics on the top.

It's like buying a new 4x4 and then getting street slicks put on it.
 
my answer to the great barrel maker would be. if ya couldn't do it with the $800 scope ya couldn't do it to begin with!!

Also, being that the great barrel maker sells great barrels. I am sure that he would tell you. That a man that's good on the trigger. Cannot take a Stevens model 200. Put a trigger, and a moderate stock on it, and shoot near as good as one of his great barrels. And dumb hillbilly, Willie will tell you 93% of shooters can't shoot well enough to tell the difference. But it never ceases to amaze me that those with a little jingle in their pocket, that have spread a few pennys around automatically think their in the 7% that can. So I guess again, I say don't buy the hype. If ya can afford to do so, and just plain enjoy owning these things because ya like them. Then by all means do so. And nobody is disputing that they are probably very, very polished glass, all kinds of good coatings, and top-of-the-line materials used in construction. But still not the only game in town that will get the job done in style!

Take care, Willie
 
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I'm gonna have to agree with several posters here regarding the "buy once, cry once" theory...

I'm running two Nightforce scopes and can't say enough about them.

Tough as nails and dead nuts accurate.

I have the 2.5-10 x 32 Velocity 600, and the 3.5-15 x 50 Mil-Dot, and both are absolutely superb!

The Nightforce is a hefty investment, but it's one you'll only ned to make once... Unless you like it as much as I have and want more of them...

With every product on the market from blue jeans to rifle scopes, there is what I refer to as a "PRICE TO VALUE" relationship.

Sure the Nightforce is nicer than "brand-X", but is it $1000.00 nicer???

My answer is ABSOLUTELY, WITHOUT A DOUBT!

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Oh well, must be I am the only idiot that tries to fall back on common sense. Maybe some can better relate to the subject with a different comparison.

We as a people are approaching a 16 1/2 trillion dollar debt. We have a money spending problem that much resembles a heroine addict.

This may be a much simpler example of what I was trying to say. As I guess even in the sport of varmint calling some have become delusional. Apparently, a $400 hammer is much better than hammer that cost $90. Do you think our governments mentality has become contagious?

And let's remember that the original topic was about night force scopes for coyote hunting. So in reality, if you were to tell me that you are a dedicated target shooter. That shot two to three thousand rounds per month. And truly required a scope that wasn't going to allow itself to be hammered apart. I would probably be more inclined to jump on the bandwagon. But in reality, most will not shoot 3000 coyotes in their lifetime. So I guess I will ask is it truly about a serviceable scope? Or is it just look what I have. I think most that have remained quiet on here know the answer.

Take care, Willie
 
Originally Posted By: BangPopI'm hearing rumors of Nightforce unveiling a new scope at the Shot Show that will have a 42 or 43 mm objective. Supposedly the scope will be sized a bit more appropriately for a carry around style rifle. Anyone know any details of this scope?
I'll let you know, I'm on my way there now! YEAH!!!

Originally Posted By: wdenikeWe as a people are approaching a 16 1/2 trillion dollar debt.
I'm in the minority and pay taxes...so no guilt there, I'm doing my part! I can’t help how it’s expended.

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Here’s my rig w/a NightForce. It is absolutely superb. I’ve had several medium of line (not sure if that’s even an expression, but you get the point) and this is clearly the tip of the spear. Yes, it hurts. But it’s going to the grave w/me so who cares? I called one in a few weeks ago and lost where it was coming from so I started looking in the direction it was coming through my scope. I saw the legs of the coyote behind a mesquite tree! The LEGS!!! Over 150 yards out, I could count hair for crying out loud. One squeak later and boom, legs were now pointing up in the air. The illuminated reticle is also outstanding in low light situations.
 
Originally Posted By: chadmichenerI'm not really going to jump in on this doggie pile, but a great barrel maker once told me "Why spend $2000 on a rifle and $800 on a scope?"
That firearm is only as accurate as the optics on the top.

It's like buying a new 4x4 and then getting street slicks put on it.


100% agree!!! BUT, take into consideration just how many people are going to purchase a 2K dollar rifle, and now narrow that down even more... how many coyote hunters are going to be doing this??? I'll admit, I sure as heck DO!
 
Originally Posted By: wdenike
I would probably be more inclined to jump on the bandwagon.

Willie,
I don't mean to sound rude, but I don't think anybody here is trying to talk you into jumping on any bandwagon that you have imagined.
As long as you are happy with what you shoot, that's what really matters.
But don't come on here and call people idiots and delusional, and compare them to politicians, just because they choose to do things differently than you.
Shoot what you like and enjoy it. The rest of us will do the same.
 
Hey Guys thanks for all the input!!
I see we veered a little off track there for a bit, but like i said in earlier posts its not that i am talking my self into it.
I just want honest guys that use them for the same purpose that im going to using it for and obviously there are quite a few Predator master members that run them, more than i actually thought.

What Reticle?
I was kind of leaning towards NP-R2

Thanks again guys
Really appreciate it!!
 
Originally Posted By: Carcass CollectorsOriginally Posted By: BangPopI'm hearing rumors of Nightforce unveiling a new scope at the Shot Show that will have a 42 or 43 mm objective. Supposedly the scope will be sized a bit more appropriately for a carry around style rifle. Anyone know any details of this scope?
I'll let you know, I'm on my way there now! YEAH!!!

Originally Posted By: wdenikeWe as a people are approaching a 16 1/2 trillion dollar debt.
I'm in the minority and pay taxes...so no guilt there, I'm doing my part! I can’t help how it’s expended.

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Here’s my rig w/a NightForce. It is absolutely superb. I’ve had several medium of line (not sure if that’s even an expression, but you get the point) and this is clearly the tip of the spear. Yes, it hurts. But it’s going to the grave w/me so who cares? I called one in a few weeks ago and lost where it was coming from so I started looking in the direction it was coming through my scope. I saw the legs of the coyote behind a mesquite tree! The LEGS!!! Over 150 yards out, I could count hair for crying out loud. One squeak later and boom, legs were now pointing up in the air. The illuminated reticle is also outstanding in low light situations.
Let me know what you see out there. I am really hoping to see them offer a scope like I described. I need another scope and that would be just right for the rifle I have that is naked. Come on Niteforce, throw an old coyote hunter a bone will ya.
 
Originally Posted By: chadmichener

What Reticle?
I was kind of leaning towards NP-R2

Thanks again guys
Really appreciate it!!
depending on your application... If it's a dog gun I would roll with the NP-R1... It's all I use, the measurements are more precise, and will give you a more precise hold over when you need it.
 
Originally Posted By: skinneyOriginally Posted By: chadmichener

What Reticle?
I was kind of leaning towards NP-R2

Thanks again guys
Really appreciate it!!
depending on your application... If it's a dog gun I would roll with the NP-R1... It's all I use,

Yep, and make sure you get the matching HS MOA turrets and Zero Stop.
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Originally Posted By: wdenike

We as a people are approaching a 16 1/2 trillion dollar debt. We have a money spending problem that much resembles a heroine addict.



Don't ever put me in the same class as those POS that are running this country down the pisser !!
 
Originally Posted By: BangPopLet me know what you see out there. I am really hoping to see them offer a scope like I described. I need another scope and that would be just right for the rifle I have that is naked. Come on Niteforce, throw an old coyote hunter a bone will ya.
Well, this is not what you want to hear but NightForce did introduce some new products but they are not in the 40mm range. They have what's called the B.E.A.S.T. (Best Example of Advanced Scope Technology) that comes in 5-25x56 with a 34mm tube, ATACR (Advanced Tactical Riflescope) that comes in 5-25x56, and a new COMPETITION scope that comes in 15-55x52. They also have some new reticles coming out as well.

As far as smaller goes they do offer the 2.5-10x32 but you already knew that.

Maybe next year,

V/R

Rob
 
Originally Posted By: wdenikeOh well, must be I am the only idiot that tries to fall back on common sense. Maybe some can better relate to the subject with a different comparison.

We as a people are approaching a 16 1/2 trillion dollar debt. We have a money spending problem that much resembles a heroine addict.

This may be a much simpler example of what I was trying to say. As I guess even in the sport of varmint calling some have become delusional. Apparently, a $400 hammer is much better than hammer that cost $90. Do you think our governments mentality has become contagious?

And let's remember that the original topic was about night force scopes for coyote hunting. So in reality, if you were to tell me that you are a dedicated target shooter. That shot two to three thousand rounds per month. And truly required a scope that wasn't going to allow itself to be hammered apart. I would probably be more inclined to jump on the bandwagon. But in reality, most will not shoot 3000 coyotes in their lifetime. So I guess I will ask is it truly about a serviceable scope? Or is it just look what I have. I think most that have remained quiet on here know the answer.

Take care, Willie

I didn't notice this post until Tim N. replied to the first paragraph... and right now I'm waving the BS flag high above my head... Willie I have no idea who you are, or what you do... BUT as Tim said, how dare you throw numbers out that INCLUDE us with the senseless idiots who put it on their tab, and NEVER plan on paying it back... by the sounds of it you are much older than I, but yet do you fail to realize, most of us who use the equipment we run, is because of hard bust A$$ work... If you have the flow and you can afford it, run good equipment, there is a REASON it's more expensive... not to mention a little economical data for ya, but how is NightForce, Vortex, USO , custom barrel manufacturers, custom gunsmiths, Manners, etc. etc. etc. supposed to stay in business without guys like us buying and running their stuff... there is nothing delusional about MY sport, OUR sport of coyote calling... should I feel bad I'm using a 2500.00 optic on my hunting rifle if I can afford it? should I feel bad my partner runs a 4K dollar video camera to film hunts? you know what, I'm sure Les & his simmons supreme scope will work just fine (and guess what I bet he got his for free
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), but I aint ever gonna use one... am I delusional?
 
With a quick count of the posts. It appears that almost not quite but almost a 50% are either predator master sponsors or the director and president. Now this hillbilly didn't exactly fall off the turnip wagon yesterday. And with a quick look, I understand the motivation. And respectfully bow out of the discussion.

Take care, Willie
 
Originally Posted By: wdenikeWith a quick count of the posts. It appears that almost not quite but almost a 50% are either predator master sponsors or the director and president. Now this hillbilly didn't exactly fall off the turnip wagon yesterday. And with a quick look, I understand the motivation. And respectfully bow out of the discussion.

Take care, Willie

Willie,
don't get me or (us) wrong, we are always glad to have new members to the forum, and glad to see many different points of view... I 100% agree with you about you using your equipment, heck I bet you've killed more dogs than I have... the ONLY thing I'm disagreeing with, is you mentioning the categorization of "our" spending problem...
take care, and hope you enjoy the forum!
 
Originally Posted By: wdenikeWith a quick count of the posts. It appears that almost not quite but almost a 50% are either predator master sponsors or the director and president. Now this hillbilly didn't exactly fall off the turnip wagon yesterday. And with a quick look, I understand the motivation. And respectfully bow out of the discussion.

Take care, Willie

Now you have stepped on my toes Willie.......I had a custom rifle built recently and to top it off I thought it deserved the best scope I could find.I bought a NightForce scope from one of Predator Masters sponsors and guess what? I paid retail just like everyone else. Want to see a copy of the invoice?
 
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