Open Carry???
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LUCKYDOG
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I don't want to rag on you guys but some of you sound like anti's.
I carry open and I have for years.
Go to http://opencarry.org/
I carry open and I have for years.
Go to http://opencarry.org/
I am in corrections. Whenever I close the door of my house behind me I have a sidearm. I have a Beretta Mod21 .22lr that is smaller than the palm of my hand. Or an AMT Backup in .45ACP, Glock Mod 23 or Colt 1911 Gub'Mint. I always have something. Oh, and two pocketknives, Spyderco Military Models secreted about my person.
Bad guys aren't going to see you carrying and make a play for you. They are looking for sheep, and there are a lot of sheep. If you don't show your fangs, you are sheep. A predator knows a predator, and the hyenas know the lions. I am a lion, and the hyenas steer clear.
I work with these guys 12/7 week-on, week-off. They don't even have to speak to you to know if you are a lion or a sheep; they'll spot you across the street. It is all about how you carry yourself, how aware you are, the look in your eye. And you had BEST make eye contact. Anyone who refuses eye contact is meat.
Think about it.
Bad guys aren't going to see you carrying and make a play for you. They are looking for sheep, and there are a lot of sheep. If you don't show your fangs, you are sheep. A predator knows a predator, and the hyenas know the lions. I am a lion, and the hyenas steer clear.
I work with these guys 12/7 week-on, week-off. They don't even have to speak to you to know if you are a lion or a sheep; they'll spot you across the street. It is all about how you carry yourself, how aware you are, the look in your eye. And you had BEST make eye contact. Anyone who refuses eye contact is meat.
Think about it.
Chupathingy
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Originally Posted By: NitromanI am in corrections. Whenever I close the door of my house behind me I have a sidearm. I have a Beretta Mod21 .22lr that is smaller than the palm of my hand. Or an AMT Backup in .45ACP, Glock Mod 23 or Colt 1911 Gub'Mint. I always have something. Oh, and two pocketknives, Spyderco Military Models secreted about my person.
Bad guys aren't going to see you carrying and make a play for you. They are looking for sheep, and there are a lot of sheep. If you don't show your fangs, you are sheep. A predator knows a predator, and the hyenas know the lions. I am a lion, and the hyenas steer clear.
I work with these guys 12/7 week-on, week-off. They don't even have to speak to you to know if you are a lion or a sheep; they'll spot you across the street. It is all about how you carry yourself, how aware you are, the look in your eye. And you had BEST make eye contact. Anyone who refuses eye contact is meat.
Think about it.
What were you in for?
Chupa
Bad guys aren't going to see you carrying and make a play for you. They are looking for sheep, and there are a lot of sheep. If you don't show your fangs, you are sheep. A predator knows a predator, and the hyenas know the lions. I am a lion, and the hyenas steer clear.
I work with these guys 12/7 week-on, week-off. They don't even have to speak to you to know if you are a lion or a sheep; they'll spot you across the street. It is all about how you carry yourself, how aware you are, the look in your eye. And you had BEST make eye contact. Anyone who refuses eye contact is meat.
Think about it.
What were you in for?
Chupa
Originally Posted By: GC In the city world it probably isn't really all that practical. Especially so after all the municipalities pass their own laws to make it illegal – and you can bet that will happen very soon.
Fortunately Texas has a pre-emption law preventing cities and counties from passing firearms laws contrary to state law or I am sure many would do just that.
Regards,
hm
Fortunately Texas has a pre-emption law preventing cities and counties from passing firearms laws contrary to state law or I am sure many would do just that.
Regards,
hm
Steve_in_PA
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Originally Posted By: hm1996Originally Posted By: GC In the city world it probably isn't really all that practical. Especially so after all the municipalities pass their own laws to make it illegal – and you can bet that will happen very soon.
Fortunately Texas has a pre-emption law preventing cities and counties from passing firearms laws contrary to state law or I am sure many would do just that.
Regards,
hm
Pennsylvania does too, but Philty-delphia still tries to pass their own laws!
Fortunately Texas has a pre-emption law preventing cities and counties from passing firearms laws contrary to state law or I am sure many would do just that.
Regards,
hm
Pennsylvania does too, but Philty-delphia still tries to pass their own laws!
NdIndy
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I can see both sides, but prefer the concealed side. Given your average bad guy they will target the easiest target. Open carry may dissuade them. However your average bad guy is banking on an average victim and will be unprepared for someone who draws. They are in reaction mode, action pretty much always beats reaction
The dedicated bad guy, the one who is flat out intent on raping the woman next to you is a different story. A concealed, you're still in action mode as they expect a sheep. However if they see a conflict, you'll have a 9 in the back of your head well before you have an option.
IMO I would rather be carrying the wild card than openly showing my hand.
Law wise, Wyoming has been an open carry state for as long as I can remember. Cc by permit for most of it.
Last year law passed that made it legal for any wy resident to cc in the state as long as they are legally able to possess. I carried openly for a decade, 40+ hours a week. I always went concealed when I was off duty even though I didn't have to. Excluding when I was driving the squad.
I still keep a cc permit as I travel, and if nothing else makes buying a lot easier.
The dedicated bad guy, the one who is flat out intent on raping the woman next to you is a different story. A concealed, you're still in action mode as they expect a sheep. However if they see a conflict, you'll have a 9 in the back of your head well before you have an option.
IMO I would rather be carrying the wild card than openly showing my hand.
Law wise, Wyoming has been an open carry state for as long as I can remember. Cc by permit for most of it.
Last year law passed that made it legal for any wy resident to cc in the state as long as they are legally able to possess. I carried openly for a decade, 40+ hours a week. I always went concealed when I was off duty even though I didn't have to. Excluding when I was driving the squad.
I still keep a cc permit as I travel, and if nothing else makes buying a lot easier.
VarmintsBeware
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NdIndy,
Also didnt WY,AK,VT go to no CCW need to carry concealed. I thought those three states voted legislation in last year or so.
UT tried to go to no CCW permit needed, but it stalled in congress last year or so.
Open carry in UT is you have to have no round in chamber.
Wayne
Also didnt WY,AK,VT go to no CCW need to carry concealed. I thought those three states voted legislation in last year or so.
UT tried to go to no CCW permit needed, but it stalled in congress last year or so.
Open carry in UT is you have to have no round in chamber.
Wayne
NdIndy
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Fwiw, the only time I ever really wanted my pistol off duty was in Denver, not the best part of Denver. Friend and I were walking into a gas station, van hits the parking lot at about 50 and locks up the brakes right in front of us as the side door is sliding open, maybe 10 feet away from where we stand. I count 6 through the windows, all less than 25 years.
I'm wearing a leather jacket, right palm catches the zipper as I sweep it out of the way, stepping into the threat as I move. I feel my front sight breaking leather (kydex really) as the door locks back and his leg is clearing the van. Out of the corner of my eye I see my buddy in full on deer in the headlights mode.
Guy in the van leans out "you guys want to buy a stereo?"
Pistol slides back in, clicks home and he never knew what was coming out(stepped into full weaver) They get told no an leave at crazy speed even though they had so e decent gear for only $50. My friend finally thaws and tells me he was pretty sure we were dead. I tell him that one way or another things were about to get really noisy and we continue our trip. His words, even though it ended up being a non issue, " I am so [beeep] glad you are what you are"
Beyond that, carried all over and besides knowing the weight was there, never felt the need. Only really drew on duty 2 or 3 times in a decade.
I'm wearing a leather jacket, right palm catches the zipper as I sweep it out of the way, stepping into the threat as I move. I feel my front sight breaking leather (kydex really) as the door locks back and his leg is clearing the van. Out of the corner of my eye I see my buddy in full on deer in the headlights mode.
Guy in the van leans out "you guys want to buy a stereo?"
Pistol slides back in, clicks home and he never knew what was coming out(stepped into full weaver) They get told no an leave at crazy speed even though they had so e decent gear for only $50. My friend finally thaws and tells me he was pretty sure we were dead. I tell him that one way or another things were about to get really noisy and we continue our trip. His words, even though it ended up being a non issue, " I am so [beeep] glad you are what you are"
Beyond that, carried all over and besides knowing the weight was there, never felt the need. Only really drew on duty 2 or 3 times in a decade.
NdIndy
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Originally Posted By: VarmintsBewareNdIndy,
Also didnt WY,AK,VT go to no CCW need to carry concealed. I thought those three states voted legislation in last year or so.
UT tried to go to no CCW permit needed, but it stalled in congress last year or so.
Open carry in UT is you have to have no round in chamber.
Wayne
Re-read my post
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Wy resident, in wy, legal to own (no felons etc) no permit needed to carry in state. Cross the state line though and you're dealing with their rules, not ours. Wy recognizes a lot of other states cw permits, but you have to be legal for your home state to be recognized.
The law itself only applies to wy residents.
Also didnt WY,AK,VT go to no CCW need to carry concealed. I thought those three states voted legislation in last year or so.
UT tried to go to no CCW permit needed, but it stalled in congress last year or so.
Open carry in UT is you have to have no round in chamber.
Wayne
Re-read my post
Wy resident, in wy, legal to own (no felons etc) no permit needed to carry in state. Cross the state line though and you're dealing with their rules, not ours. Wy recognizes a lot of other states cw permits, but you have to be legal for your home state to be recognized.
The law itself only applies to wy residents.
Dogwood Creek
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As mentioned,PA is an open carry state. The law itself really isn't a problem as such. It's the people I see carrying open that are. Since I've been taking note of these types (situational awareness), I've noticed a trend. None of the folks I see carrying openly are anyone I would want to associate with. They usually carry in a cordura single retention (if you want to call a .59 cent snap retention)holster. Swagger and strut around like Matt Dillon or the like. By and large they need a bath as well. Talk about poor representation of gun ownership! No wonder the OC laws come under such scrutiny. I like to think of myself as a well trained and infromed gun owner. Being a peace officer I train alot. Been instructed by graduates of the finest scools in the world. I too am a certified instructor. To me,just carrying openly doesn't make you a good guy. If you want me singling you out in a crowd,just skip your shower for 3 or 4 days and drop the good old High Point in the cordura and head out on the town. Oh you will see me open carry. If I'm stopping for a snack or a coffee in deer season,I'll be wearing (single action .44). I look like a deer hunter too. Not someone looking for recognition because I have a handgun. If these modern day cowboys could see just once how easily I can disarm them,they might start covering that thing up. Weapon retention is YOUR responsibility. Check the numbers of people killed with their own weapon. It's real and can happen to anyone. Gangbangers buy holsters and practice defeating the retension devices. I've had my duty weapon stripped from level 2&3 Safariland,Blackhawk,and Bianchi holsters. One on one. Now enter in 3 or 4 assailants and what are you going to do?
I don't expect everyone to practice weapon retension like I do. But,a class or two won't hurt or break anyone. Better yet,cover it up if you can.
I don't expect everyone to practice weapon retension like I do. But,a class or two won't hurt or break anyone. Better yet,cover it up if you can.
Originally Posted By: ChupathingyOriginally Posted By: NitromanI am in corrections. Whenever I close the door of my house behind me I have a sidearm. I have a Beretta Mod21 .22lr that is smaller than the palm of my hand. Or an AMT Backup in .45ACP, Glock Mod 23 or Colt 1911 Gub'Mint. I always have something. Oh, and two pocketknives, Spyderco Military Models secreted about my person.
Bad guys aren't going to see you carrying and make a play for you. They are looking for sheep, and there are a lot of sheep. If you don't show your fangs, you are sheep. A predator knows a predator, and the hyenas know the lions. I am a lion, and the hyenas steer clear.
I work with these guys 12/7 week-on, week-off. They don't even have to speak to you to know if you are a lion or a sheep; they'll spot you across the street. It is all about how you carry yourself, how aware you are, the look in your eye. And you had BEST make eye contact. Anyone who refuses eye contact is meat.
Think about it.
What were you in for?
Chupa
That was either a foolish attempt at deliberately being ugly, or your reading skills are sub par. Maybe you should take an interpretive reading class and try again. Here, I'll spell it out for you: I work in corrections as a correctional officer.
Alaska recently went from a shall issue state to a no-permit-required state. Our crime rate has continuously fallen since shall issue was enacted back in 1994.
Bad guys aren't going to see you carrying and make a play for you. They are looking for sheep, and there are a lot of sheep. If you don't show your fangs, you are sheep. A predator knows a predator, and the hyenas know the lions. I am a lion, and the hyenas steer clear.
I work with these guys 12/7 week-on, week-off. They don't even have to speak to you to know if you are a lion or a sheep; they'll spot you across the street. It is all about how you carry yourself, how aware you are, the look in your eye. And you had BEST make eye contact. Anyone who refuses eye contact is meat.
Think about it.
What were you in for?
Chupa
That was either a foolish attempt at deliberately being ugly, or your reading skills are sub par. Maybe you should take an interpretive reading class and try again. Here, I'll spell it out for you: I work in corrections as a correctional officer.
Alaska recently went from a shall issue state to a no-permit-required state. Our crime rate has continuously fallen since shall issue was enacted back in 1994.
Chris_Brice
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OC isn't bad and it's not good. Generally when I head out for a day in the field I belt a gun on before leaving (or at least used to, now it's just a pain in the butt) and there it would stay throughout the day. Now it could be that due to my dress and demeaner it's obvious to everyone who see's me that I'm hunting but the public doesn't seem to notice or care. Now would I OC if I was going out for dinner with the wife? No. But it's not because of some misguided thoughts that a bad guy is gonna jump me because I'm OC'ing or even that I'd give a hoot what the public thinks. But I find no reason to invite problems, questions or confrontations.
On a personal note if I was out for dinner with the wife and saw someone OC'ing I wouldn't give it much thought except to think the guy is likely to be a slightly off his rocker. He's more than likely doing it make a statment and would be more than happy to have problems, questions and/or confrontations just to prove a point.
CB
On a personal note if I was out for dinner with the wife and saw someone OC'ing I wouldn't give it much thought except to think the guy is likely to be a slightly off his rocker. He's more than likely doing it make a statment and would be more than happy to have problems, questions and/or confrontations just to prove a point.
CB
Dogwood Creek
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Originally Posted By: Chris_BriceOC isn't bad and it's not good. Generally when I head out for a day in the field I belt a gun on before leaving (or at least used to, now it's just a pain in the butt) and there it would stay throughout the day. Now it could be that due to my dress and demeaner it's obvious to everyone who see's me that I'm hunting but the public doesn't seem to notice or care. Now would I OC if I was going out for dinner with the wife? No. But it's not because of some misguided thoughts that a bad guy is gonna jump me because I'm OC'ing or even that I'd give a hoot what the public thinks. But I find no reason to invite problems, questions or confrontations.
On a personal note if I was out for dinner with the wife and saw someone OC'ing I wouldn't give it much thought except to think the guy is likely to be a slightly off his rocker. He's more than likely doing it make a statment and would be more than happy to have problems, questions and/or confrontations just to prove a point.
CB
Well put. +1
On a personal note if I was out for dinner with the wife and saw someone OC'ing I wouldn't give it much thought except to think the guy is likely to be a slightly off his rocker. He's more than likely doing it make a statment and would be more than happy to have problems, questions and/or confrontations just to prove a point.
CB
Well put. +1
Chris_Brice
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Originally Posted By: GaryLCThe new open carry law still requires a person to have a valid permit before carrying a gun openly or concealed. The only problem I have with it is the requirement to get "permission" from the government to carry a weapon in the first place.
Permission is a bit over stated in most jurisdictions these days. "May issue" might be asking permission, "shall issue" is not much more than signing on the dotted line. If that keeps even a couple nut jobs or felons from carrying I don't have an issue. Of coarse that's coming from someone who had to deal with "may issue" for most of my life until recently. "Shall issue" almost feels like a blessing (although one I rarely take need of).
CB
Permission is a bit over stated in most jurisdictions these days. "May issue" might be asking permission, "shall issue" is not much more than signing on the dotted line. If that keeps even a couple nut jobs or felons from carrying I don't have an issue. Of coarse that's coming from someone who had to deal with "may issue" for most of my life until recently. "Shall issue" almost feels like a blessing (although one I rarely take need of).
CB
Every person legally able to own a firearm in these United States should have the option to open carry - check the Second Amendment. NM is an open carry state, and I do so at times, mostly because I'm out in the sticks. If I stop for a tank of gas or a cup of coffee, I like the freedom to leave the gun on and take care of my business. When around a lot of other people, particularly those of unlike minds (read urban settings, ugh), I tend to conceal - outta sight, outta mind.
Originally Posted By: LUCKYDOGI don't want to rag on you guys but some of you sound like anti's.
I carry open and I have for years.
Go to http://opencarry.org/
+10000 We are our own enemy! If you don't like OC fine but don't pound on the ones that do! But some of you seem to be higher then most of us normal people.
CO is open carry except in Denver. I wish CO would go to AZ gun laws! I open carry sometimes and you would be amazed at how many people don't even notice the nice shine of the SS slide sitting on my hip!
Funny how some people still think the bad guys follow the laws!
I carry open and I have for years.
Go to http://opencarry.org/
+10000 We are our own enemy! If you don't like OC fine but don't pound on the ones that do! But some of you seem to be higher then most of us normal people.
CO is open carry except in Denver. I wish CO would go to AZ gun laws! I open carry sometimes and you would be amazed at how many people don't even notice the nice shine of the SS slide sitting on my hip!
Funny how some people still think the bad guys follow the laws!