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Assault Rifles For Hunters?
As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods.

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Obviously Jim's affiliation with Big Green may have alot to do with his comments. But after the S*** hits the fan, I hope we get a public retraction.

I am an AR owner as well, but Jim's words carry a silver lining of truth. I think him calling for banning is obsurd, but be aware many veiw the AR in the same light as Jim. Hunting is being banned in counties in the Northeast, and the Eastern end of this state is rimfire or shotgun for coyotes even in daylight hours.

The fact of the matter is the Non-hunting comunnity views a nice Bushmaster Predator as an assault rifle not a coyote gun. Try to understand this..........if they think all hunters carry assualt rifles, you won't be hunting long. With any rifle.

When you hunt with your AR be discreet, as the majority of folks are seeing a lunatic hunting with an assault rifle. I have had comments from folks I've known for years asking why the hell I need a gun like that. Military looking guns are hard to explain to the general public. And I live in a Pro- hunting community !

Conversly when I'm carrying a bolt gun most folks just wave hello. So if you want to keep shooting those AR's, swallow your ego's and case 'em until you hit the field.

You fellas may not like it, but thats the way it is.
 
I'm certain this arguement was made by back in the day by people who thought that Lever actions were the weapons of choice for Outlaws and renagades.No respectable citizen would be caught hunting with one.
I make no consideration for what the limp wristed public might think about it.We have advance's in Firearm technology
And if something better comes along why not use it?If im going to spend my hard earned money for a Rifle would it not make sense to buy the most advanced thing on the market?
something that could be used for multiple Task?
AR-15 will do just that.Anything from yote's in the boondocks to Looters in new orleans.I make no apologys for owning one,I don't care one bit if it offends the general public,They can go back to things they really care about like the death of Anna Nichol Smith
 
I'm sorry, but screw that.
If someone asks you why you need it, tell them you don't have to need it. You by God want it. Either for the lower recoil and faster follow up shots, or because it scares liberals.
Running around with your tail between your legs is just going to encourage the people that want to take them away.

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When you hunt with your AR be discreet

 
Nice that you macho boys take such a hard line, but you better care how the gerenal public veiws you and hunting.

Best learn hunters are a tiny part of registered voters , and shrinking every year. Gun rights these days are all about politics and public perception, so give that some very careful thought before you Rambo.

Best to harvest your game quietly without fanfare. As a hunter help out in your community, act responsibly, and educate many who do not understand hunting.

If you feel the need to brandish your AR's then do so........its your right for now.
 
I don't Brandish anything, If some Fan of britney Spears happens to see me,I'm sorry Im not going to be all broken up about hurting their ever so sensitive feelings.
 
I agree with you sleddog to a certain point. I also coyote hunt with an AR as well as bolt guns. But Jim's article wasn't about managing perceptions. There was a tone of that, but he outright calls for banning them from the woods and demonizes those who use them. This to me is unexcusable for someone who is sponsored by firearms and hunting industries.
 
Why does it always have to come down to this "pencils mispell words" Kind of thing. The problem always ends up being an
emotional attachment to an innanimate object.
Zumbo says we should ban this gun because it brings up
a vision of terrorists in the streets of some 3rd world
nation shooting children. Some folks say when questioned
about thier desire to use such weapons that it is thier
right to do so they are darn(#$@&*)well going to.
I can certainly see both sides . I know because i am a hunter and shooter that an AR is no different a tool
than a ruger 10/22. or BAR browning rifle.
No one seems to object to a BAR the way they do an AR
or an AK.It's just an emotional; response to the "LOOK"
of the gun.
I think what Zumbo should object to is a "MACHO" kind of attitude to go along with the AR.
To protect our dwindling rights I would certainly
not respond with an answer like " well i can take out
100 Prairedogs a min. with this or 100 freekin ragheads
whichever comes first."
This just gives more ammunition to the idiots who want to
ban these fine guns to begin with.
I think this Is what zumbo really is trying to say.

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Nice that you macho boys take such a hard line, but you better care how the gerenal public veiws you and hunting.

Best learn hunters are a tiny part of registered voters , and shrinking every year. Gun rights these days are all about politics and public perception, so give that some very careful thought before you Rambo.

Best to harvest your game quietly without fanfare. As a hunter help out in your community, act responsibly, and educate many who do not understand hunting.

If you feel the need to brandish your AR's then do so........its your right for now.



sleddog,

You bring up some very good points here. I have to agree with you 100%. That being said, I too have to take a hard line. I will let my Christianity, ethics, character and actions in general manifest any perception that may be made to the public, then let them associate that with the weapon I am carrying. If they see a nice moral guy that holds doors for people and is an ethical hunter carrying an AR, then perhaps the evil of the black rifle will begin to disappear. We have to do it responsibly and as you said, educate those that don't understand. I will not be obscure as to owning or hunting with an AR. It sometimes prompts questions and I can answer them in a manner that gains acceptance.

We can't win if we don't let our light shine. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity.


There is no "hunting fraternity". Hunting is a privilage, not a right. This guy's a hunting elitist or as least thinks of himself as such. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles.


So, this guy's calling our military troops, our law enforcement and other branches of government, terrorists?

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To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods.


If this is true, then the "public" needs to be re-educated on what can and can't be used as hunters and/or Americans. As for the game departments banning them, that's not going to happen. The "all mighty dollar" rules and as long as the game is getting harvested as is proposed in each state's regulations and firearms are getting sold, things will continue as they are going.

I dispise anyone that attempts to use their "fame" or "fortune" to influence or alter other people's lives with their personal opinions. This is America and WE make the decisions.

Good hunting, Bowhunter57
 
The acronym "AR" should be changed as NASA said in another post. Call them "HDR", Homeland Defense Rifle /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif, that puts the same rifle in a more positive way before the numb-numbs. HDR's should required in every household. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
 
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Obviously Jim's affiliation with Big Green may have alot to do with his comments. But after the S*** hits the fan, I hope we get a public retraction.



Its already in....that didn't take long /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

Zumbo's Apology
 
That wasn't any public retraction - it was Dipsy Twits #2. He didn't apologize for calling for a ban on hunting with HDWs (Homeland Defense Weapons), nor did he apologize for calling those who own and carry them terrorists. All he did was make excuses as to why we shouldn't be upset with him. I hope Nuge burned his @$$ for trampling on the second as bad as those on his blog did.
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The acronym "AR" should be changed as NASA said in another post. Call them "HDR", Homeland Defense Rifle /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif, that puts the same rifle in a more positive way before the numb-numbs. HDR's should required in every household. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif



But AR is for Armalite.

Perhaps AR style Homeland Defense Rifle.

Just a thought.
 
Jim Dumbo is an [beeep].Remington or any other company that supports him will never again recieve my buisness.In his apology he never sayes that he was wrong about anything.He states that he erred but never once sayes that he was wrong.This tells me that he believes in what he said.He is just trying to smoothe things over with us.
 
The best way to counteract radical liberals is to have some radical conservatives, maybe like some people lobbying for fully automatic firearms. Those AR's and similar firearms push the limits and help us keep most of our firearms further within limits. Usually things are met in the middle and counteracting radicals cancel eachother out. Some radical conservatives are important, without them the middle is a situation like sleddog has. Example: Ted Nugent cancels Rosie O'Donnel's c#rp#t m#nch#ng fat #$$ out.
 
I've been sending e-mails to all his sponsers to tell them I won't be buying their products as long as they support him. Venting on here won't accomplish anything.
 
Well i put my two cents on his blog , what ever happen to the right to bare arms , i think he kind of for got that.



I hope you may find a new way you look at things , because if you call hunters that hunt with AR terrorists , then you should call our military snipers, people hunters not snipers . For you to say what you did is in very poor taste . I thought the shooting sports was just that , shooting sports , that means shoot what you have .

Jim i sorry but stick your head in the dirt and kiss it goodbye.
 
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