Yep, mine does too. It is hard to tell and who do you believe when it comes to the questions "where" and "what"....a quick surf of the net and I have just read where several people claim that Night Force uses Schott glass, which is of course German made...the silica {sand} of which comes from somewhere in France????? Many people claim that the largest or most parts of something is what has to be marked as to where it is made. Does anybody really know??? Go figure!!!
OverPriced, piece of crap NIGHTForcE scopeS!
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Originally Posted By: Smokin250".......who cares about the rest. I didn't buy a NF because of what glass it has......"
Good to know...you obviously are not hunting animals that don't show up until it's almost completely dark, like black bear. I wouldn't care about "what glass it has" either if all I did was shoot at targets in broad daylight. When it is too dark to see what the animal even is, that is when glass counts and that is when you had better have Zeiss, Leica, Schmidt and Bender, etc. because the Jap stuff wont get it.
Good to know...you obviously are not hunting animals that don't show up until it's almost completely dark, like black bear. I wouldn't care about "what glass it has" either if all I did was shoot at targets in broad daylight. When it is too dark to see what the animal even is, that is when glass counts and that is when you had better have Zeiss, Leica, Schmidt and Bender, etc. because the Jap stuff wont get it.
Originally Posted By: msincOriginally Posted By: Smokin250".......who cares about the rest. I didn't buy a NF because of what glass it has......"
Good to know...you obviously are not hunting animals that don't show up until it's almost completely dark, like black bear. I wouldn't care about "what glass it has" either if all I did was shoot at targets in broad daylight. When it is too dark to see what the animal even is, that is when glass counts and that is when you had better have Zeiss, Leica, Schmidt and Bender, etc. because the Jap stuff wont get it.
I can see just fine until the end of legal shooting hours with NF scopes, even with the NXS Compact with the 32mm objective.
After that I pack up and head toward the truck.
Which NF scope are you having trouble with?
Good to know...you obviously are not hunting animals that don't show up until it's almost completely dark, like black bear. I wouldn't care about "what glass it has" either if all I did was shoot at targets in broad daylight. When it is too dark to see what the animal even is, that is when glass counts and that is when you had better have Zeiss, Leica, Schmidt and Bender, etc. because the Jap stuff wont get it.
I can see just fine until the end of legal shooting hours with NF scopes, even with the NXS Compact with the 32mm objective.
After that I pack up and head toward the truck.
Which NF scope are you having trouble with?
Tim Neitzke
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Originally Posted By: msincOriginally Posted By: Smokin250".......who cares about the rest. I didn't buy a NF because of what glass it has......"
Good to know...you obviously are not hunting animals that don't show up until it's almost completely dark, like black bear. I wouldn't care about "what glass it has" either if all I did was shoot at targets in broad daylight. When it is too dark to see what the animal even is, that is when glass counts and that is when you had better have Zeiss, Leica, Schmidt and Bender, etc. because the Jap stuff wont get it.
Funny! I've never owned a scope that would not take me to the end of legal shooting hours. In fact they would go past. These scopes include... Tasco, Simmons, Nikon, Leupold, NF, Bushnel.
Some are way better than others, however.
Black Bear in the shadows of a cedar swamp with Leupolds, more than a few times....
That said, I'd love to have Swaro's on my hunting rigs. They do have some amazing glass !
Good to know...you obviously are not hunting animals that don't show up until it's almost completely dark, like black bear. I wouldn't care about "what glass it has" either if all I did was shoot at targets in broad daylight. When it is too dark to see what the animal even is, that is when glass counts and that is when you had better have Zeiss, Leica, Schmidt and Bender, etc. because the Jap stuff wont get it.
Funny! I've never owned a scope that would not take me to the end of legal shooting hours. In fact they would go past. These scopes include... Tasco, Simmons, Nikon, Leupold, NF, Bushnel.
Some are way better than others, however.
Black Bear in the shadows of a cedar swamp with Leupolds, more than a few times....
That said, I'd love to have Swaro's on my hunting rigs. They do have some amazing glass !
Smokin250
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Originally Posted By: msincOriginally Posted By: Smokin250".......who cares about the rest. I didn't buy a NF because of what glass it has......"
Good to know...you obviously are not hunting animals that don't show up until it's almost completely dark, like black bear. I wouldn't care about "what glass it has" either if all I did was shoot at targets in broad daylight. When it is too dark to see what the animal even is, that is when glass counts and that is when you had better have Zeiss, Leica, Schmidt and Bender, etc. because the Jap stuff wont get it.
Nope....I don't do a lick of hunting.
I better sell of my junk NF scopes.
For the record....my 5.5-22 has been all the way to 62 MOA and came right back to 0 and tracked like a dream. But hey....that's not what we are here for.
Good to know...you obviously are not hunting animals that don't show up until it's almost completely dark, like black bear. I wouldn't care about "what glass it has" either if all I did was shoot at targets in broad daylight. When it is too dark to see what the animal even is, that is when glass counts and that is when you had better have Zeiss, Leica, Schmidt and Bender, etc. because the Jap stuff wont get it.
Nope....I don't do a lick of hunting.
I better sell of my junk NF scopes.
For the record....my 5.5-22 has been all the way to 62 MOA and came right back to 0 and tracked like a dream. But hey....that's not what we are here for.
Plant.One
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i dunno tim - as a guy who hunts back in the woods - decent glass is the one thing that keeps me in my stand until the end of legal hunting hours. I've found myself in the past sneaking out of my stand to head out to one of the fields to hunt the last 15 mins there because i just couldn't see anything past 20-25 yds even with my eyes. Now that i've got decent scopes (diamondbacks, vx1, vx3 type stuff) on my hunting guns, i'm good to go until the end of the hunt there - in fact i can see stuff in the scopes that i cant make out with my eyes alone.
you dont need amazing, but a tasco - especailly the newer crap they make - wont cut the mustard. neither will a centerpoint, new simmons, etc... and there's a lot of lower end stuff out there that night hunting, even vermin control under a yard light, can be all but impossible to navigate.
i find that the price point you have to get above is somewhere around the $150-$200 mark to get functional hunting glass with good optic coatings.
obivously i hope that the high end stuff at least meets these criteria.
you dont need amazing, but a tasco - especailly the newer crap they make - wont cut the mustard. neither will a centerpoint, new simmons, etc... and there's a lot of lower end stuff out there that night hunting, even vermin control under a yard light, can be all but impossible to navigate.
i find that the price point you have to get above is somewhere around the $150-$200 mark to get functional hunting glass with good optic coatings.
obivously i hope that the high end stuff at least meets these criteria.
Tim Neitzke
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That Tasco, I spoke of was an old Jap made scope. I hunted with it for 20+ years then sold it for what I paid for it. Must not have been to bad.
32 years of firearm big game hunting, I've seen what low light is...
It don't get much more hard to see than a black bear in the swamp with less than 5 mins of legal shooting hours left, all while it's raining. That dang Leupold worked... I know it's hard to believe.
32 years of firearm big game hunting, I've seen what low light is...
It don't get much more hard to see than a black bear in the swamp with less than 5 mins of legal shooting hours left, all while it's raining. That dang Leupold worked... I know it's hard to believe.
Tim Neitzke
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Plant,
I'm not talking dollar store scopes here....
I'm not talking dollar store scopes here....
Originally Posted By: RuddyI just sent a VX-3i back last Friday, 8 shots through it and poi started shifting 4"right to 4" left also up and down with no changes made to the scope. It looked like I was shooting a box test but I wasn't. I know they will fix or replace it but you shouldn't have to use CS that on a new scope. I'm not saying NF or Swarovski don't have a bad one come out too but Leupold seems to be having many more issues lately.
I work the gun counter at the Ft. Worth Tx Cabela's. I've had a customer buy a Nightforce that was defective and wouldn't track when I mounted and tried to bore sight it, and I've seen several defective Swarovski's. Using your criteria Nightforce and Swarovski aren't any better than Leupold.
I work the gun counter at the Ft. Worth Tx Cabela's. I've had a customer buy a Nightforce that was defective and wouldn't track when I mounted and tried to bore sight it, and I've seen several defective Swarovski's. Using your criteria Nightforce and Swarovski aren't any better than Leupold.
Everyone's eyes are different. I see better through Leupold and Zeiss than Swarovski and high end Swarovski's are better scopes than say a VX-3. I see better through a Burris Fullfield II than a Viper.
To my eyes where European origin scopes really best Pacific Rim scopes is in low light. There are exceptions of course.
I like Leupold and own several. I strictly hunt though and don't twist turrets. If I did I would rather have a Nightforce. Nightforce scopes are definitely tougher than Leupold.
To my eyes where European origin scopes really best Pacific Rim scopes is in low light. There are exceptions of course.
I like Leupold and own several. I strictly hunt though and don't twist turrets. If I did I would rather have a Nightforce. Nightforce scopes are definitely tougher than Leupold.
Originally Posted By: Smokin250Originally Posted By: msincOriginally Posted By: Smokin250".......who cares about the rest. I didn't buy a NF because of what glass it has......"
Good to know...you obviously are not hunting animals that don't show up until it's almost completely dark, like black bear. I wouldn't care about "what glass it has" either if all I did was shoot at targets in broad daylight. When it is too dark to see what the animal even is, that is when glass counts and that is when you had better have Zeiss, Leica, Schmidt and Bender, etc. because the Jap stuff wont get it.
Nope....I don't do a lick of hunting.
I better sell of my junk NF scopes.
For the record....my 5.5-22 has been all the way to 62 MOA and came right back to 0 and tracked like a dream. But hey....that's not what we are here for.
You are the one calling them junk...I happen to like my SHV, but your post both proves and shows another important point...the only way a NightForce will keep up with a Zeiss or Leica in the dark is to have a night vision device strapped to it!!!!
Good to know...you obviously are not hunting animals that don't show up until it's almost completely dark, like black bear. I wouldn't care about "what glass it has" either if all I did was shoot at targets in broad daylight. When it is too dark to see what the animal even is, that is when glass counts and that is when you had better have Zeiss, Leica, Schmidt and Bender, etc. because the Jap stuff wont get it.
Nope....I don't do a lick of hunting.
I better sell of my junk NF scopes.
For the record....my 5.5-22 has been all the way to 62 MOA and came right back to 0 and tracked like a dream. But hey....that's not what we are here for.
You are the one calling them junk...I happen to like my SHV, but your post both proves and shows another important point...the only way a NightForce will keep up with a Zeiss or Leica in the dark is to have a night vision device strapped to it!!!!
kyle crickenberger
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Let's just lay out the facts...http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/04/22/high-end-long-range-rifle-scopes/
Originally Posted By: kyle crickenbergerLet's just lay out the facts...http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/04/22/high-end-long-range-rifle-scopes/
HOG SLOP!!!!!! This idiot assigns only 35% of the scopes importance in the optics???? He's kidding us right???? 40% on mechanics???? The rest on "ergonomics" and "other features"....the toy factor gets the most importance???? Even if you do only shoot targets in broad daylight these numbers are still bad.
I buy a hunting scope for what I can see thru it. Not for the ease of playing with the knobs, bells and whistles.
Change his importance around to 85% optics, 15% "neato torpedo toy factor" and you get an entirely different line up.
Hillary Clinton should have had this dude on her campaign trail....he could have made even her look better!!!!!
HOG SLOP!!!!!! This idiot assigns only 35% of the scopes importance in the optics???? He's kidding us right???? 40% on mechanics???? The rest on "ergonomics" and "other features"....the toy factor gets the most importance???? Even if you do only shoot targets in broad daylight these numbers are still bad.
I buy a hunting scope for what I can see thru it. Not for the ease of playing with the knobs, bells and whistles.
Change his importance around to 85% optics, 15% "neato torpedo toy factor" and you get an entirely different line up.
Hillary Clinton should have had this dude on her campaign trail....he could have made even her look better!!!!!
Smokin250
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We still aren't apples to apples here...LR shooters and hunters typically want 2 different things, with same end result. Personally, I feel my NXS scopes have great glass for what I have paid. Side by side with my VXIII...its tough to call whats better glass IMO. It is an easy choice for me to pick between the 2 for my needs. My VXIII is a 6.5-20 fine duplex with tall turrets. The NXS has better turrets for ME, and has killer reticles. I love the NPR-1 and MIL-R reticle for what I use them for. Leuppy...not condusive for what I use them for. Hard to hold wind or elevation with a duplex reticle. Those 2 differences alone add up to some serious price differences.
I have used both for hunting, and have zero complaints for either. But most hunters don't want/need a big heavy scope with turrets to dial. While I do not own a swaro, I have messed with them some and they have great glass too. You want a leupy that has the a decent reticle and turrets, and you will find the price climbing awfully fast.
For ME, I do not worry about the glass as much as I do reticle, turrets, tracking, and functionality. I want everything to work the way its supposed to. If I dial 6.2 mils, it dang sure better be 6.2 mils. If I miss a target because the scope didn't track right, its not worth a nickel to me, no matter how clear the glass is. When you get into the higher end scopes for LR shooting, you can get spend some serious coin for "glass". I use a bushnell XRS on my match rifle. Turrets are dead balls every time, FFP, 10 MIL revs, great reticle, and I love where everything is setup for my type of shooting. NOW, if I stick it on 20X and set it next to a VXIII, or even my NXS at 20X I would say it has less clear glass than the other 2. BUT, for all of the options it has vs cost it is a no Brainer. You cannot find another scope that has all of those options and is under $3K.
One thing I feel that keeps getting pushed off to the side here, we aren't really comparing glass on scopes that you are walking into a sporting goods store and picking up. Most guys do not spend $1000+ on hunting scopes. That is a generalized comment BTW. Of the 3 mentioned in initial post ( NXS Leuppy and SWARO) they all have outstanding glass. Heck of a lot better than what I have on most of my other guns. You will be happy with any of them. Pick what fits your needs and run it. If you cant see spending the $1300-$1800 on an NXS for your needs, then get a swaro or Leuppy in your price range and be happy. Ill stick with my NXS for what I do. They work. And heck if it boils down to it, I can use my NXS if I don't have a hammer handy.
I have used both for hunting, and have zero complaints for either. But most hunters don't want/need a big heavy scope with turrets to dial. While I do not own a swaro, I have messed with them some and they have great glass too. You want a leupy that has the a decent reticle and turrets, and you will find the price climbing awfully fast.
For ME, I do not worry about the glass as much as I do reticle, turrets, tracking, and functionality. I want everything to work the way its supposed to. If I dial 6.2 mils, it dang sure better be 6.2 mils. If I miss a target because the scope didn't track right, its not worth a nickel to me, no matter how clear the glass is. When you get into the higher end scopes for LR shooting, you can get spend some serious coin for "glass". I use a bushnell XRS on my match rifle. Turrets are dead balls every time, FFP, 10 MIL revs, great reticle, and I love where everything is setup for my type of shooting. NOW, if I stick it on 20X and set it next to a VXIII, or even my NXS at 20X I would say it has less clear glass than the other 2. BUT, for all of the options it has vs cost it is a no Brainer. You cannot find another scope that has all of those options and is under $3K.
One thing I feel that keeps getting pushed off to the side here, we aren't really comparing glass on scopes that you are walking into a sporting goods store and picking up. Most guys do not spend $1000+ on hunting scopes. That is a generalized comment BTW. Of the 3 mentioned in initial post ( NXS Leuppy and SWARO) they all have outstanding glass. Heck of a lot better than what I have on most of my other guns. You will be happy with any of them. Pick what fits your needs and run it. If you cant see spending the $1300-$1800 on an NXS for your needs, then get a swaro or Leuppy in your price range and be happy. Ill stick with my NXS for what I do. They work. And heck if it boils down to it, I can use my NXS if I don't have a hammer handy.
kyle crickenberger
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I posted the link so that some could see the differences between nightforce and the Leupold mark 6 and Mark 8. Both of those models are a better apples to apples comparison than the vxiii in the op. Clearly you missed that.... as for you ignorant post about NF not as good as Leica or zeiss in lowlight/dark, give me a break! My atacr will split hairs with my buddies zeiss diavari 6-24 all day.
lyotehunter
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you can see through all of them but they all do not adj. and hold zero the same.