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Just wanted to put a word out that running dogs with GPS system to chase bobcats or coyotes or any game animal in PA is illegal. No electronic devices are allowed to be used to locate game animals. This includes GPS on your dogs while hunting. You are only allowed to use the GPS to locate your dog while hunting but not to use your dog to locate game for you with the system on. You are not allowed to call your buddies on the radio and say the animal is heading that way or that. You also are not allowed to road hunt from your vehicle. That includes tracking your dogs while in pursue of animals(coyotes) while in your vehicle also. I called harrisburg today and they said it was illegal to do so any of the above. So anyone who enters tournaments might want to look up the laws about GPS systems on your dogs or call harrisburg your self.
 
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This is going to open a can of worms.
 
Originally Posted By: predyotevarmint. You also are not allowed to road hunt from your vehicle.
Ok if I'm driving down the road and spot a fresh set of coyote tracks, get out of the vehicle and start calling, am I road hunting?
 
The priority is the safety of the hounds. Our group respects others properties. We try to obtain as much permission from the local landowners as possible. Most don't have a problem with it. This is where GPS units come into play. We can intercept the dogs if they are heading to a well traveled roadway (no critter is worth losing a hound over) or if they are heading toward an area that we don't have permission to hunt. I've been both calling and running hounds since I was a youngster. Chased everything from cottontail to hare to coyote and fox with dogs. The time and money involved is more than many of you gentlemen realize. Countless hours of hard work are put in to training hounds. I love hearing the chase more than I love the killing of the animal being pursued, as do most houndsmen.
It's amazing how these posts always appear year after year whenever the "money hunts" start.
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spoke to 2 WCOs, youre tracking your dogs. there is no collar on the coyote or bobcat or anything else.
 
My opinion, and I'm a caller, if you can't compete with the dogs, stay out of the game! I have owned many coon hounds and a couple beagles over the years and love to listen to them and hunt with them. I know i have to HUNT harder now when I here the coyote hounds coming or see their tracks where they gave chase the day before, there are 3 groups of dog hunters right in my area, a great bunch of guys but I'm not about to limit their enjoyment of the outdoors over some money in a contest. So I say to my fellow ( predator) hunters play nice or don't play at all !!!!
 
Huntin ain't about money or competion my opinion but I am just a hillbilly who loves to hunt for fun food and the heritage of it especially with hounds coon and bear with the blueticks!But this is my opinion.
 
Originally Posted By: beaglerOriginally Posted By: predyotevarmint. You also are not allowed to road hunt from your vehicle.
Ok if I'm driving down the road and spot a fresh set of coyote tracks, get out of the vehicle and start calling, am I road hunting?

Yes you are. Same as if you get out of your car and try to locate turkeys with a hand call. That is considered road hunting. You are intentially useing your vehicle to locate animals.



To effectively manage the wildlife resources of this Commonwealth, the Game Commission (Commission), at its April 18, 2006, meeting, adopted an amendment to § 141.18 (relating to permitted devices).

The final-form rulemaking will have no adverse impact on the wildlife resources of this Commonwealth.

The authority for the final-form rulemaking is 34 Pa.C.S. (relating to Game and Wildlife Code) (code).

Notice of proposed rulemaking was published at 36 Pa.B. 1400 (March 25, 2006).

1. Purpose and Authority

The Commission has recently received a number of requests from various persons who use dogs to hunt a variety of game species to amend existing regulations to specifically permit the use of electronic devices used for the purpose of locating dogs while hunting or training. The devices specifically requested for permitted use are e-collars, radio-telemetry tracking systems and beeper collars. The requests have resulted from fears that strict interpretation of the provisions prohibiting use of electronic devices to hunt or take wildlife could put persons who use electronic devices to locate their dogs while hunting or training at risk of being found in violation.

From a fundamental perspective, Commission accepts the use of electronic devices to locate dogs while hunting or training just as much as it currently accepts the use of electronic devices to locate fellow hunters (that is, two-way radios, cell phones, and the like). Use of electronic devices in this manner does not give a hunter an unfair advantage over game or violate principles of fair chase. However, the Commission is concerned that the specific permitted use of these types of electronic devices intended to locate dogs while hunting or training will encourage hunters to misuse these devices to also locate game. Despite this concern, after consideration of the relevant issues, the Commission believes that it is appropriate to accommodate the requests. Therefore, the Commission is amending § 141.18 to specifically permit the use of electronic devices used for locating dogs while hunting or training, including devices such as e-collars, radio-telemetry dog tracking systems and beeper collars.

Section 322(c)(5) of the code (relating to powers and duties of commission) specifically empowers the Commission to ''Fix the type and number of devices which may be used to take game or wildlife.'' Section 2102(b)(1) of the code (relating to regulations) authorizes the Commission to ''promulgate regulations relating to . . . the number and types of devices and equipment allowed, the identification of devices and the use and possession of devices.'' Section 2102(a) of the code provides that ''The commission shall promulgate such regulations as it deems necessary and appropriate concerning game or wildlife and hunting or furtaking in this Commonwealth, including regulations relating to the protection, preservation and management of game or wildlife and game or wildlife habitat, permitting or prohibiting hunting or furtaking, the ways, manner, methods and means of hunting or furtaking, and the health and safety of persons who hunt or take wildlife or may be in the vicinity of persons who hunt or take game or wildlife in this Commonwealth.'' The amendment to § 141.18 was adopted under this authority.

2. Regulatory Requirements

The final-form rulemaking amends § 141.18 to specifically permit the use of electronic devices used for locating dogs while hunting or training, including devices such as e-collars, radio-telemetry dog tracking systems and beeper collars.

3. Persons Affected

Persons wishing to use electronic devices to locate dogs while hunting or training will be affected by the final-form rulemaking.

4. Comment and Response Summary

There were no official comments received regarding this final-form rulemaking.

5. Cost and Paperwork Requirements

The final-form rulemaking should not result in additional cost or paperwork.

6. Effective Date

The final-form rulemaking will be effective upon publication in the Pennsylvania Bulletin and will remain in effect until changed by the Commission.

7. Contact Person

For further information regarding the final-form rulemaking, contact Michael A. Dubaich, Director, Bureau of Law Enforcement, 2001 Elmerton Avenue, Harrisburg, PA 17110-9797, (717) 783-6526.

 
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I dont enter those hunts,I just dont care for hound hunters.No respect for private property. They think its all right to let their dogs go onto or through posted property to chase game. Once those dogs are turned loose,they have no control of those dogs till they bay and catch up to them. Never have I heard or seen a hound called back especially when they are miles out in front of the men. Just dont care for that kinda nature.
 
Originally Posted By: pricespoke to 2 WCOs, youre tracking your dogs. there is no collar on the coyote or bobcat or anything else.

Call harrisburg, they have the last say so.
 
what a whiner lol...im not calling anyone. and in spring ill be driving around listening every evening to put birds to sleep
 
You wouldn't be the same guy that is doing all the crying in this thread are you?

http://www.huntingpa.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2954068#Post2954068


Get over it you are wrong and nothing is going to change. We have been hunting the same way for over 20 yrs and been checked by the GC more times than I can count. That includes recent checks with garmins and have never had an issue. Maybe you do have some inconsiderate houndsmen where you live, but don't lump them all into one.
 
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§ 141.18. Permitted devices.
The following devices may be used to hunt or take wildlife:

(1) Any manually operated firearm that uses an electronic impulse to detonate the primer or main powder charge of the ammunition unless those firearms are a specifically prohibited device.

(2) Electronic sound amplification devices that are incorporated into hearing protection devices and completely contained in or on the hunter’s ear.

(3) Electronic devices used for locating dogs while training or hunting, including devices such as e-collars, radio-telemetry dog tracking systems and beeper collars.

(4) Electronic illuminating devices that are affixed at the aft end of a bolt or arrow and used solely for the purpose of locating or tracking bolt or arrow flight after being launched from a crossbow or bow.

(5) Electronic crow decoys used solely for harvesting crows.



Authority

The provisions of this § 141.18 amended under sections 322(c)(5) and 2102(a), (b)(1) and (d) of the Game and Wildlife Code (34 Pa.C.S. § § 322(c)(5) and 2102(a), (b)(1) and (d)).



Source

The provisions of this § 141.18 amended March 9, 2001, effective March 10, 2001, 31 Pa.B. 1370; amended May 18, 2001, effective May 19, 2001, 31 Pa.B. 2577; amended January 14, 2005, effective January 15, 2005, 35 Pa.B. 353; amended June 30, 2006, effective July 1, 2006, 36 Pa.B. 3250; amended October 5, 2007, effective October 6, 2007, 37 Pa.B. 5377; amended November 16, 2012, effective November 17, 2012, 42 Pa.B. 7108. Immediately preceding text appears at serial page (363051).

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/058/chapter141/chap141toc.html
 
Oh and one more thing. Coming on a public forum and trying to turn one group of hunters against another group of hunters because you have a beef is not good for anyone. If you got a problem with hound hunters, post it in the hound forum.

I have called and trapped. They just aren't for me but absolutely love to see guys have success regardless of methods.
 
How does it read?

§ 141.18. Permitted devices.
The following devices may be used to hunt or take wildlife:

or

§ 141.18. Permitted devices.
The following devices may be used to hunt and take wildlife:

(3) Electronic devices used for locating dogs while training or hunting, including devices such as e-collars, radio-telemetry dog tracking systems and beeper collars.

The OR in both means two different things when read correctly.



Again, read what I have posted that shows the reason for the collars are intended for.

The collars are intended to be used for when the dogs was lost. Not to track the dogs on a trail. You cant go through the book and cherry pick what you want. You have to read it all to understand the meaning of each. hunting pa has alot of pgc members on that board along with wanna be and anti 2nd ammendment right nazis on that board. But,I believe I read on there from the link you gave me that two WCO that frequent that board has told the mas on that board that IT WAS ILLEGAL also, Or do they not know the laws? To each their own. If you wanna break the laws,more power to you all.
 
Cherry picking?? Seems like you do that very well on your own. By your very own interpretation of the law, just getting into your vehicle to go hunting is breaking the law. After all, it's aiding in the pursuit and harvest of game by transporting you to where you hunt. You can call Harrisburg and tell your story the way you want to get the answers you want. For someone who doesn't like hound hunters you seem to have a big mouth know it all attitude on something you don't do. As far as turning dogs loose on tracks, they are considered under control while on the track, even if they chase the quarry through your precious camp yard. If you don't hunt tournaments why was it part of your rant?

It's easy to tell who your are. You're a jealous pompous [beeep] who see's other groups of hunters who are more successful than you an unfair competitor, and BY GOD you'll put an end to that.

Having run hounds for the last 40 years here in Pa. I guarantee I know the laws on running hounds better than you. Completely understand the legal use of radios and GPS too.

Next you'll being crying about the hounds barking because they are telling the hunter where they are and where they are going. Seems [beeep] unfair. You see the hounds on the track giving tongue to the chase is how it's done!!!
 
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I heard some saying at Cresson 7 in there group got a citation for hunting from a motorized unit. I am going to call the main office and see If this is true. I do know that If you do drive to kill a animal from the actual start of the hunt, it is using a motoized vehicle to aid in the killing of game which is Illegal in Pa.. Has nothing to do with a GPS. If you are seen by a WCO getting out of a vehicle going 25 yards into field, and you shoot a coyote and your dogs are trailing it then your subject to using electronics to aid in the kill of a animal, and can get 2 more charges also.
 
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