Powder and bullets found. How were these prices?

Originally Posted By: vt coy callerIf your buying off the shelf in new England those prices are on par.
It would cost more to get them through a mail order with shipping and hazmat.
Yip, haz mat cost me dearly on my last order
 
Originally Posted By: MGYSGTThose prices aren't that bad. Serrias are always overpriced as far as I am concerned. I was paying $28 locally a pound before the madness, so $30 isn't so bad. Yes I know PV is way cheaper, but when you only need one pound for some testing why pay the hazmat.
I agree
 
Anyone that reloads should have plenty of stock on hand anyway. Why wait until you are out to buy more?


I was not out by any means, just wanted a little more and thought I may not get supplys any cheeper
 
I was at my favorite local store yesterday, mostly just looking. It's a 'trap range', so they have mostly shotgun stuff. His powder selection is up markedly since my last visit.

On the shelf he has Varget, both 4895's, types of 4350, bunches of hangun/shotgun powder, and primers.

I ended up buying some 4007 SSC, and some CFE223 to try out. It was $22, and $20.50 a pound. Primers are up to $39,00 per 1k. Location S WI.
 
Originally Posted By: Smokin BarrelOriginally Posted By: reb8600After what happened the first time Obama was elected, everyone should have expected a shortage again this time. Dont need a crystal ball for that one. Maybe not to this extreme but still should have expected it. All the talk of bans and everything else since the elections should also have made people think and expect. The shooting did magnify it but the talk of bills was already there. I would not expect the madnes to end and be back to normal for atleast another 4 months. When everyone that wasnt ready finally gets their stock built up I think things will slow down. It would also help if people dont pay the high price regardless of how bad they want something. That will put a stop to the gougers buying and selling.

Anyone that reloads should have plenty of stock on hand anyway. Why wait until you are out to buy more?

I wont waste my time standing in line at Sportsmans, I am finding stuff at other locations. Sportsmans needs to put their stuff out at random times throughout the week instead of letting all the gougers knowing when it is coming. I stood in line once just to find out that the first 10 people are there every week 2 hours before they open to buy items to resell.

All the people believing the stories that the government is buying up everything doesnt help, or any of the other conspiracy stories floating around.

I will agree to disagree with you to a point. I believe manufactures were prepared for Obamas re-election...they weren't prepared for this. To deny the fact that Newtown didn't exponentially magnify this problem is ludacris. That event brought this issue to front stage. There are people that would never even blinked any eye tuning into legislative proceedings if there was not cause. I have bought two guns since December that I will reload for. Going down to the local shop and picking out 4 different powders to start working up loads is not feasible. Come October I will be hunting with one of those rifles. If that means I have to pay $30/lb powder now rather than wait and pay the $21/lb in September/October, I will do it. My time is far more valuable to me than to say I "saved" $36 over four months just so I was not participating in the gouging. I will buy what I need to buy as far as I believe the price is "fair".....after all, this is one time that the term will be very subjective.

PRECISELY! Do you think I am going to spend a beautiful spring day standing in line somewhere hoping they still have some when they get to me? All so I can boast about stubborn principles of refusing to pay the gouger prices? NOT HAPPENING- I ain't joining the union. And I ain't gonna spend my days whining about why the guy in front of my bought what he bought. It's a free country, or at least supposed to be- he can buy it for any legal reason he wants to. I don't care if he shoots it, resells it, or throws in the bottom of a well. Until the pretense of "there's no real shortage" goes away, this is the present reality. When supply cannot keep up with demand, there is a shortage and it doesn't matter what the reason is. In a capitalistic system, price moves up as demand moves up and supply moves downward. If supply could keep up with demand, the gouger would not have a market. But supply can't keep up, that again is called a shortage. Perhaps you don't realise it but the presence of gougers is a classic, clinical sign of a supply shortage in the market. Maybe the government should get involved and institute price controls, maybe mark the ammo so that they know who is actually shooting it versus scalping it. In a free market the price is set by the demand for an item and the army ain't buying mules anymore. Now those good socialists and commies, they'll tell you what you can buy, how to use it and not allow you to profit from it. I'll take the free market. A little leg work at gas prices today? What are you really saving? Does your time have any value? Or multiple orders to different places to pay multiple shipping charges that all affect the bottom line price? Set at the computer all day and hope you hit the email link in the 42-second window of availability? Do you realise that where you are on the email list and your email server makes a big difference on what time you receive your "product available" notice? I have 2 email accounts and they both receive the same notices, only one of them (the older one from the early days of Midway email notices) receives it up to a couple hours before the other one does.

If you think Obama's re-election did this, you're not very realistic or very naive or both. I don't know how old you are but if you're old enough to remember BushOne there was a smaller rush when he was pres for some items. All through November (election month) and up until mid-December (i.e. Newtown shootings) you could buy whatever you wanted to, it was in stock everywhere. I know because I bought a ton of "Christmas presents to self" from Midsouth on Dec 10 just by chance, not due to any crystal balls. Powder, primers, ammo-you name it, they had it in stock.

Listen, the market has changed. Maybe not long term, but at least for the short term. Accept it, deny it, curse it or profit from it, stand in line or walk away but that is the present reality. Me personally? Look at the price sticker on the sp primers above- how long do you think I have been stockpiling the stuff I use? I am good for a loooooooong time.

Some guys spend hours and hours down at the local gunshop moaning and groaning the state of the industry. Me? I'll be at the range, at the church, in the field, on the lake, or anywhere besides bickering over life. Boys, this life is a short ride. Don't waste a moment on the things that don't matter.
 
Not naive and am very realistic. I am old enough to remember a lot of things, been reloading for about 40 years. If you dont want to believe that me or a lot of other people saw it coming as a result of the election then I must have a crystal ball because I prepared along with others and am set for a long time. If you dont think his re-election had anything to do with the shortage of items, you are the one that is naive. Items started being bought up shortly after the election. I never said the election was the cause of it all.

I wont have to pay the high prices to go out and shoot. As for spending a lot of money on fuel or shipping costs, I dont. If I am out somewhere or needing to order something else then I look for the other items at the same time. I just ordered an 8 lb jug of Red Dot for $144 shipped, about the same as in the store if you can find it. Not because I need it now but because I am down to 3 lbs of pistol powder. Also traded 2 lbs of powder I wont use for some Bullseye. I hear complaints that 17 HMR, 17 Hornet, 223/556, 7.62x39 or pistol ammo is not available yet I see it at just about all the stores I go to and you wouldnt have to stand in line to get it. This tells me that some of those complaining are not even looking. A lot of people only look on the internet. I have found primers and powder also. Saw about 30,000 primers on the shelf yesterday.

You say you arent going to spend your days whining yet made this post. I might be wrong but it looks like you are complaining about people buying more than they need.
Originally Posted By: 1happyshooter
The cost of 1000 primers from midway would be $76.46. If you bought 2k as the original poster did then the cost comes down to highway robbery of $53.20/k. You could try to buy more to spread the cost, but then you're contributing to the problem, right?- buying more than you actually need at the moment?

If someone wants to pay the gougers to buy something, I wont stop them but I can assure you that it will not stop as long as people are willing to do it.
 
Scalloper, For what you got and prices VS availability in your area you did OK, not the best deals as stated above, but you got what you what when needed.
 
Prices are worth it if you need them.
Those gun shops that used to get 20-30 lbs of powder at a time plus 30-40 boxes of 1000 count primers with the order paying a fee of around $30 Hazmat was the norm.

Now a days a gun shop is lucky to get 6-7 lbs of powder and 3 or 4 boxes of primers a week, so the $27-$30 hazmat fee is applied to the small order, making the items higher per box/pound.

I'm not saying shops are not gouging some, but CCI and others are charging more per primers than before the Obama antigun crap started this last Dec.For Example, You will pay $6-7 per box of 100 for CCI-BR4 primers, they cost more since Dec 2012, and if the shop is lucky enough to get a box of 1000 for $50, the shipping and $27 hazmat fee applies to it.
The shop might pay a fee of $6.50 per box of 100 primers, so they sell them for $7.50 etc etc. same with powder.


This shortage is not going to end soon. people are stocking up, the government is stocking ammo by the billions for some odd reason, and with Obama in office, the gun rights scare is not going to end soon.
You can buy now high, or wait to see if this all ends soon, or most likely, wait and see the supply and demand even get greater, prices higher and items harder to find.

good luck.
 
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Originally Posted By: LongnkrnchMidway USA has now changed the "expected delivery" for Rem 7 1/2 primers to "UNKNOWN"

Had them in stock yesterday.

Originally Posted By: LongnkrnchI've been looking for small rifle primers for 6 months. Whatever the price, if you can't get em, it makes no difference.
I know where there are CCI small rifle sitting on the shelf right now for $3.99/100. They will only sell 3 packs at a time and have about 5000 on the shelf.
 
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Originally Posted By: scott2506
I'm not saying shops are not gouging some, but CCI and others are charging more per primers than before the Obama antigun crap started this last Dec.For Example, You will pay $6-7 per box of 100 for CCI-BR4 primers, they cost more since Dec 2012, and if the shop is lucky enough to get a box of 1000 for $50, the shipping and $27 hazmat fee applies to it.
The shop might pay a fee of $6.50 per box of 100 primers, so they sell them for $7.50 etc etc. same with powder.


Those prices are gouging. It is not CCI charging more, it is the shop.
 
"Availablity" is not going to change for quite some time.

Just look around, every supplier/store big or small is out of everything and has every thing on order. Most of these places have suspended backorders also (not worth the effort to make a list anymore). The biggest of the big have nothing in stock. That will not change overnight,overweek, or overmonth.

Remember what gasoline cost before Obama was elected????? It's never been back to that price. Do you think it will????

Remember what the price/availability of ammo&components was before Obama was elected do you think it will ever be back???
 
Even before this shortage I never let the Haz-Mat Fee and the shipping charges keep me from saving money.

The powder I buy when I order it was always about $5.00 to $8.00 per pound cheaper than the shops that are 40 miles from my house.

Ordering primers saved me $15.00 to $20.00 per thousand and bullets would be up to $10.00 per box cheaper by ordering them.

Most of the time the local shops would only have about half of the stuff I wanted in stock.

Four pounds of powder and 2000 primers even with the Haz-Mat fee and shipping was cheaper than driving around looking for stuff that was not there.

Many times I would get a few of my Sporting Clays and Trap shooting friends that needed some powder and primers and we would put real close to 48 lbs of powder and primers in the Haz-Mat box when we made an order.

The Haz-Mat fee and the shipping cost was 9 cents per dollar.
We didn't have to pay sales tax so just that savings payed for the Haz-Mat Fee and shipping.

If you have to drive very far at all looking for powder and primers compare your cost on the gasoline and the higher prices at the local shops to the Haz-Mat Fee and shipping charges.

If you are going to buy 1 pound of powder at a time and just a few hundred primers just buy them if you can find them.
 
Originally Posted By: reb8600
You say you arent going to spend your days whining yet made this post. I might be wrong but it looks like you are complaining about people buying more than they need.
Originally Posted By: 1happyshooter
The cost of 1000 primers from midway would be $76.46. If you bought 2k as the original poster did then the cost comes down to highway robbery of $53.20/k. You could try to buy more to spread the cost, but then you're contributing to the problem, right?- buying more than you actually need at the moment?

If someone wants to pay the gougers to buy something, I wont stop them but I can assure you that it will not stop as long as people are willing to do it.

Reb, I think you missed my point. Maybe I didn't state it very well, but those questions were meant tongue-in-cheek. The demand is the problem; it cannot be satisfied at current supply. The supply has increased a couple fold, but it is not realized because the demand has increased 10x. It is too much for even the increased production.

Originally Posted By: reb8600Originally Posted By: LongnkrnchMidway USA has now changed the "expected delivery" for Rem 7 1/2 primers to "UNKNOWN"

Had them in stock yesterday.

Originally Posted By: LongnkrnchI've been looking for small rifle primers for 6 months. Whatever the price, if you can't get em, it makes no difference.
I know where there are CCI small rifle sitting on the shelf right now for $3.99/100. They will only sell 3 packs at a time and have about 5000 on the shelf.

I realize the poster is asking "how did I do?" but it is a question that could only be answered locally.
The price of primers in Utah is about as useful to the vast majority on here as the price of eggs in China. Let's see, if he could call the shop and IF they would ship 3 boxes it would be $11.97 primers, $27.50 hazmat, and $10 shipping. Wow, he just payed 49.47 for 300 primers, or $16.49 per 100. Holy cow, he just got gouged! Sounds like he got a better deal in his local shop.

Reb, you do a good job as moderator on this forum, and respect your efforts for it. However, I really believe you have missed this one. Have you not noticed the links you keep posting are out-of-stock? Doesn't that tell you anything? If you can't get it, it doesn't matter what the price is (or more accurately would be if they actually had any). It is the same as the 79cent price tag on the primers in the picture that I bought decades ago. You can't get them at that price and so the 79cent price of yesterday is irrelevant to their worth today. If a frog had wings....
 
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Your right if someone is only buying a few hundred then there is no savings. The way things are though I watch and buy buy the thousands or in the case of powder, 8 lbs at a time. Things are to hard to find to only buy small quantities.

A lot of the links may be out of stock now but if people watch they will be in stock. I have seen primers and powder in stock, on line in the last week but have not bought because I dont need to restock right now. It may be a pain for people to watch, but if they want to buy then they are going to have to put forth the effort to find it. Just saw 800 Federal small pistol match primers on the shelf at Sportsmans Warehouse.

Like you I am well stocked for a very long time. I have no intentions of running short so replace items I use as I find them. I did see the price on your primers. I also posted a picture recently of a 4 lb cardboard keg of Herco Bullseye for $24.95. Have had it for a while also.
 
Originally Posted By: reb8600
Like you I am well stocked for a very long time. I have no intentions of running short so replace items I use as I find them. I did see the price on your primers. I also posted a picture recently of a 4 lb cardboard keg of Herco Bullseye for $24.95. Have had it for a while also.

EXACTLY! (I added the underline). Do NOT wait until you need it or you may have to deal with what the market is at the moment. I have some unique and reloader 7 that have been here so long I would feel bad about seeing it go, so I use the newer stuff. I usually try to do it like a grocery store though and rotate my stock to use the older stuff as I replace with newer stuff but always retain desired inventory. Must have missed that pack of cci sp primers along the way, but easy to do with 36000. I even have a few of the old Herters primers from Japan around here somewhere.

Also, as you stated buy in quantity to get the best pricing. Skip a cheeseburger-you'll have more fun and better health.
 
I only buy out of necessity now. Otherwise I just shoot up what I've acquired over the years. I stocked up on a lot of powder/primers/bullets etc. when I worked at a sporting goods store and was allowed to purchase anything in the store or anything I ordered at cost +10% or less! (I left a lot of paychecks there
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I also have around 25k rounds of 22LR.
 
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Seem's like all those prices are 33-50% too high. For reference at the February and March shows I bought a TiteGroup, BlueDot and Unique for $15/lb, bought .32 XTP's for $15/100 and passed on .357 XTP's at $17/100. Last primers I bought were small rifle primers in January and paid $33/1000 IIRC.

Agree on the Sierra bullets. Even pre-madness they were always 25-33% higher than comparable Hornady bullets.
 
Just went to the store here to get some pants. They had lots of primers, 8-1 pound containers of Varget along with some others. Lots of 5.56/223 ammo including Hornady Superformance. Lots of 9mm, 40 and 45 ammo.
 
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