Probably wont beleive this

Beleive what you wish but it is true and he didnt think it would kill it he only wanted to scare it away. After it dropped he didnt know what to do so he called his assistants husband who he knew was a hunter and he butchered it so it wouldnt go to waste. Yea I probably would have a hard time to if someone else told me this story to. Oh and it wasnt a lever action and I didnt think to ask him how many pumps he used. I think my old daisy pump is around 760fps
 
Seems to me like back in the '60's and '70's that Daisy had several lever action models. I didn't have the red ryder, but a plainer model with a wooden stock, not plastic like some models then did.

There was also a Crossman pump gun that shot bbs, pellets or darts. The foregrip was the pump and guys would always over pump them as many times as they could. They couldn't do anything like some of today's airguns can, but they seemed pretty powerful at the time.

There were also Crossman CO2 guns then, but nobody I knew had one.

In the early '80's Daisy had pump guns, too. My Dad got me a .177 and the .22 that he bought new for cheap some place. I'd have a hard time see the deer hide penetration either, but oddball things happen every day so who knows!
 
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I have been shot too many times with a Daisy bb gun to believe that one.



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For some reason we thought it would be a good idea to have a BB gun war.


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Me too.
We must have grown up together.
We called it "Man Hunt". /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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The 760 Crossman has been around for years. It was a one shot, and I believe 10 pump gun. It would shoot BB's and 177 pellets. I believe the speed was 760fps. Dont quote me, but I had one and I think those were the Specs.. But I'm wayyy old and could have CRS.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif
 
I wonder if it is possible that the deer had been shot earlier and survived with a pellet in its heart.
Then injured itself running from the BB hit. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
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i remember about 10 years ago, my hunting buddy's neighbor (we called him shur-shot Merv) used to make his own wine.the old boy took pride in growing his own grapes in his back yard (residential neighborhood). one night something tripped the motion light, and he'd been having problems with a coon, so he grabbed his single shot .22 and went out to have a look. he saw a whitetail doe out there munching on his precious grapes! well.. he fired a "warning shot" .. the doe caught the .22 short in the end of the nose, killing her stone dead. so heres this 78 year old man out in his driveway at 1am loading a dead deer into the trunk of his wifes mercury so he could take it to his son's farm to get rid of the evidence. strange things happen!
 
One night while perusing the "Internets" I saw a video clip of a fella who killed a near 200 pound hog with a pellet rifle. But I believe it was a specialized rig that shot a 200gr pellet. I wasn't aware such a thing existed but there you go.

Chupa
 
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One night while perusing the "Internets" I saw a video clip of a fella who killed a near 200 pound hog with a pellet rifle. But I believe it was a specialized rig that shot a 200gr pellet. I wasn't aware such a thing existed but there you go.





Chupa, There's a thread here on PM somewhere about that. (about a month old) Gamo had it as a prom ad for one of their pellet rifles.
 
My old Sheridan shot .20 cal pellets maybe 650fps max, fast back then but kind of slow by today's standards. It was an absolute power monster compared to that Daisy bb gun....a little round ball at about 250fps. There's a whole world of difference between a pellet gun and a Daisy bb gun. It's the difference between believability and not.

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Oh and it wasnt a lever action and I didnt think to ask him how many pumps he used. I think my old daisy pump is around 760fps



If there was a matter of "how many pumps"..... it wasn't a Daisy bb gun that he used.
 
Thats were you are wrong ackman the daisy powerline is a pump gun and like I said mine is I think 760fps but I dont have the manual for it so I could be wrong on that part. Its shoots 177 pellets or BB,s and is a single shot 10 pump recommended max gun. See we learn something new everyday .
 
A bb gun and a pellet gun aren't the same. You can shoot bb's that are the same size through a pellet gun and no law says you can't call it a bb gun if you want to, but it's still a pellet gun and a whole lot more powerful. Yours is a pellet gun. Sounds like the deerslayer's was too. The guy didn't kill a deer with a bb gun. Screw this stuff. I shouldn't have even said anything. This is too stupid to be arguing about.
 
When I was a Kid I had a Daisy 880 pump BB Gun. The 880 I believe stood for 880fps. It certainly killed alot of critters. It seemed to be far more powerful than my brothers Crossman. 10 pumps was deadly. At close range I am pretty confident it would at least penetrate deer hide. Much beyond that i don't know.
 
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A bb gun and a pellet gun aren't the same. You can shoot bb's that are the same size through a pellet gun and no law says you can't call it a bb gun if you want to, but it's still a pellet gun and a whole lot more powerful. Yours is a pellet gun. Sounds like the deerslayer's was too. The guy didn't kill a deer with a bb gun. Screw this stuff. I shouldn't have even said anything. This is too stupid to be arguing about.



Hey Ack, PM sent

Chupa
 
Folks... right now i'm going to say it is VERY possible!! However, unlikely.

Being a "hands on" kind of guy, I set up a very crude test of my own. I have an old deer hide, tanned hair on, and draped it over an empty one gallon plastic milk jug. Using a Crossman 2100 Classic .177 caliber air rifle (pumped 5 times, MV unknown) at a range of +/- 50 feet, put 5 out of 5 bb's through the hide and into the milk jug. All the bb's were captured inside the jug with no pass throughs. At ten pumps, the rifle's advertised max, the next five shots were complete pass throughs, hide and jug, and into the dirt.

My personal conclusion... "Possible" if using a rifle with more power than a Red Ryder. "Unlikely" due to all the variables that would have to fall neatly into place. "Doubtful" that even if penetration to the heart is possible, that the deer would pile up so quickly.

I'll be happy to do more testing if anyone would like to offer more "control" variables I should try... Not to mention another milk jug...
 
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"... Killed many cats after that for eating my pigeons with the same gun, that was intentional.



Ah.... a man after my one heart.


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I refuse to believe a single [beeep] daisy would ever penetrate a deers skin. However, I do remember when I was back in grade school a couple of kids were messing around with bb guns and one shot the other in the back. Went through his back and entered his lung. Don't know what they were using. I can almost guarentee it wasn't some high powered magnum. I have killed many a rabbit with a cheap crossman pump. Its definately not out of the realm of probability.


.....and with my daisy eagle pumper I shot plenty of coon, rabbits, possum and cats. One shot kills most of them. But then again, I almost never used BB's because of the poor accuracy. Oh, they do more damage than people can realize.
 
Hmmm... Lets see. Thousands of hours of manpower, millions if not billions of dollars invested, thousands of miles crossed and recrossed in seconds flat. Creating the internet so people can argue whether a BB gun can kill a deer... priceless.
I love the internet, thank you Al Gore!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-006.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 


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