My dad is a football coach/teacher. My mom was a teacher. My moms five sisters were or are teachers. My dads three sisters were or are teachers. I was a sub teacher and a school district drill sergent. And if you have never been in a classroom then you have no earthly idea what teachers now a day have to put up with. The majority of teachers don't suck, it the modern students attitude that sucks!!!!
Public school teachers suck
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Centex-Vermin
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By the way, some teachers in this area are making $70,000 a year for their so-called services. I am a prison guard in California and I make more than that but I wouldnt do my job for a penny less.
I love to hear that we pay people more to take care and pamper criminals than we do to teach our children. (NOT) And we wonder whats wrong with the system. Get Real!!
By the way, some teachers in this area are making $70,000 a year for their so-called services. I am a prison guard in California and I make more than that but I wouldnt do my job for a penny less.
I love to hear that we pay people more to take care and pamper criminals than we do to teach our children. (NOT) And we wonder whats wrong with the system. Get Real!!
Lemme put it like this:
Yesterday my daughter dropped out of high school. With our permission. She's going to take her GED & be done with it.
We are beyond disgusted with our public schools.
Yesterday my daughter dropped out of high school. With our permission. She's going to take her GED & be done with it.
We are beyond disgusted with our public schools.
Jay Johnson
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Stu I think lots of parents and students feel as you do. In the Seattle School district nearly 1 in three students drops out of High School. Isn't that something for the NEA to be proud of!
Ronald
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Centex-Vermin, I see your a principal. How much is your job worth to the tax payers?
What do you do to earn yours?
If it were not for the lefty NEA, ACLU and every other lefty voter the prisoners would not have it as easy as they do.
I dont wonder whats wrong with the system. I know whats wrong with the system.
The same kind of people that influence the department I work for, influence the department you work for.
I wont appologize for a single cent that I get paid. Until this country is willing to deal with criminals the way they should be dealt with, prisons will be a sad reality.
I dont pamper anyone. Maybe you should take a tour of a MAX prison sometime and you could get a look at a portion of what the scumbag parents and school systems of this country is producing! There you will see what reality is!
What do you do to earn yours?
If it were not for the lefty NEA, ACLU and every other lefty voter the prisoners would not have it as easy as they do.
I dont wonder whats wrong with the system. I know whats wrong with the system.
The same kind of people that influence the department I work for, influence the department you work for.
I wont appologize for a single cent that I get paid. Until this country is willing to deal with criminals the way they should be dealt with, prisons will be a sad reality.
I dont pamper anyone. Maybe you should take a tour of a MAX prison sometime and you could get a look at a portion of what the scumbag parents and school systems of this country is producing! There you will see what reality is!
Centex-Vermin
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Ronald,
Bottom line is we both deal with the same type of people and the same type of problems and there is not much we can do as individuals to change the problem as a whole.
To answer your questions I make $54,000 a year with a masters degree. I work hard to be fair in everything that I do and work to make sure that my school does not have dead beat teachers. I work hard to treat everyone with respect so hopefully they will return the favor to someone in the future. I hope the local tax payers feel that they are getting their money's worth from me, but if they don't I hope they respect me enough to come talk to me personally about the problem.
I respect the job that you guys do in the prison system because you have to put with as much or more red tape than we do. I just wish that you would not make blanket statements about all of us in education. There are some of us out here that truly care about the kids. We have had 1 drop out in my school in the last ten years and I went to his house at least a dozen times talking to this student and his parents, and at least talked him into getting a GED. I have students come back to me all of the time thanking me for the positive influence that I was to them. That to me is worth more than $54,000. I took a student trick-or treating last night with my kids that has never been before beacuse of his dead beat parents. The joy in his eyes was worth more than $54,000. I have let a 20 year old ex-student sleep in my kids bed on christmas eve so he could wake up on christmas day and have a gift form santa clause under the tree. To see a twenty year old cry because it was the first present that he has ever received and see a true family was priceless. There are many more stories, but I won't bore you anymore.
I love my job.
I love the kids.
I love the USA.
Happy Hunting!!
Bottom line is we both deal with the same type of people and the same type of problems and there is not much we can do as individuals to change the problem as a whole.
To answer your questions I make $54,000 a year with a masters degree. I work hard to be fair in everything that I do and work to make sure that my school does not have dead beat teachers. I work hard to treat everyone with respect so hopefully they will return the favor to someone in the future. I hope the local tax payers feel that they are getting their money's worth from me, but if they don't I hope they respect me enough to come talk to me personally about the problem.
I respect the job that you guys do in the prison system because you have to put with as much or more red tape than we do. I just wish that you would not make blanket statements about all of us in education. There are some of us out here that truly care about the kids. We have had 1 drop out in my school in the last ten years and I went to his house at least a dozen times talking to this student and his parents, and at least talked him into getting a GED. I have students come back to me all of the time thanking me for the positive influence that I was to them. That to me is worth more than $54,000. I took a student trick-or treating last night with my kids that has never been before beacuse of his dead beat parents. The joy in his eyes was worth more than $54,000. I have let a 20 year old ex-student sleep in my kids bed on christmas eve so he could wake up on christmas day and have a gift form santa clause under the tree. To see a twenty year old cry because it was the first present that he has ever received and see a true family was priceless. There are many more stories, but I won't bore you anymore.
I love my job.
I love the kids.
I love the USA.
Happy Hunting!!
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IMO the problem is too complex to simply blame one group. All teachers are not bad, bad parenting is not the reason our schools are lousy. Unions definitely have & are playing a major role in the decline, but they're not solely responsible.
However, where we are right now, the system is badly broken. It's not a simple problem & it won't be solved over night with a simple answer.
Some sort of voucher system would likely be a good start, as it would reintroduce competition which would help. But that would simply be one aspect of a solution & the consequences of it would take time to have effect.
The nuclear family is no longer the norm & that's a part of it as well. Plenty of pieces to this puzzle.
However, where we are right now, the system is badly broken. It's not a simple problem & it won't be solved over night with a simple answer.
Some sort of voucher system would likely be a good start, as it would reintroduce competition which would help. But that would simply be one aspect of a solution & the consequences of it would take time to have effect.
The nuclear family is no longer the norm & that's a part of it as well. Plenty of pieces to this puzzle.
All I can say is thank god for my NEA, thank god for my local teachers union, otherwise I would have no protection in my profession from uneducated parents who go off the deep end anytime little Sally got her feelings hurt.
Simply put, teachers have extreme expectations, high education cost, low paying jobs, students with all sorts of issues, etc.
Families are a mess, the courts are full of juvenile offenders.
Here is a quick list of issues from the 40 or so kids I currently work with.
5 currently on probation for various offenses from violence to drugs
2 currently in jail for violatinig parole plus other items
3 teen mothers trying to raise their child on their own(one is pregnant with her second child).
7 kids who were taken from families by the courts
6 identified with sever emotional problems
1 that recently survivied a suicide attempt
3 that are homeless and living in a variety places
1 that lives in a buick, and works part time at Taco bell
1 with definite Gang Affiliation
3 with parents Currently in jail for anything from murder to drugs
2 females living with guys that 10+ years older
All but 2 kids have parents that are divorced or are in the process of Divorcing. One of the 2 has parents that live on other 1/2 of state. The other has parents that are homebound, and makes the student responsible to raising little brother.
Several that have drug problems including Cocaine and Meth.
The list goes on. The sad part is that I am not in a big school district nor a large town. I am in Craig, CO. Population around 10,000. If you think that my $32,000 a year salary is enough so be it, but come try the shoes on for a bit. Work with kids who are afraid everyday to go home. Work with kids who do not have any food. Work with kids who are violent, lazy, addicted to drugs, teen parents, etc. Then try and take those kids to a mandatory test and have the results of the test say if your a good teacher or not.
I am paid for a contract year of 185 days. I am at work for an average of 9 hours a day. Thus my hourly salary is $19/hour. I could make $26 an hour driving a coal truck locally.
When it comes to pay, consider this. The average cost of daycare(babysitting) here is $15 perday per kid. If all I did was babysit for my 185 days for 40 kids my contract pay would be: $111,000.
Simply put, teachers have extreme expectations, high education cost, low paying jobs, students with all sorts of issues, etc.
Families are a mess, the courts are full of juvenile offenders.
Here is a quick list of issues from the 40 or so kids I currently work with.
5 currently on probation for various offenses from violence to drugs
2 currently in jail for violatinig parole plus other items
3 teen mothers trying to raise their child on their own(one is pregnant with her second child).
7 kids who were taken from families by the courts
6 identified with sever emotional problems
1 that recently survivied a suicide attempt
3 that are homeless and living in a variety places
1 that lives in a buick, and works part time at Taco bell
1 with definite Gang Affiliation
3 with parents Currently in jail for anything from murder to drugs
2 females living with guys that 10+ years older
All but 2 kids have parents that are divorced or are in the process of Divorcing. One of the 2 has parents that live on other 1/2 of state. The other has parents that are homebound, and makes the student responsible to raising little brother.
Several that have drug problems including Cocaine and Meth.
The list goes on. The sad part is that I am not in a big school district nor a large town. I am in Craig, CO. Population around 10,000. If you think that my $32,000 a year salary is enough so be it, but come try the shoes on for a bit. Work with kids who are afraid everyday to go home. Work with kids who do not have any food. Work with kids who are violent, lazy, addicted to drugs, teen parents, etc. Then try and take those kids to a mandatory test and have the results of the test say if your a good teacher or not.
I am paid for a contract year of 185 days. I am at work for an average of 9 hours a day. Thus my hourly salary is $19/hour. I could make $26 an hour driving a coal truck locally.
When it comes to pay, consider this. The average cost of daycare(babysitting) here is $15 perday per kid. If all I did was babysit for my 185 days for 40 kids my contract pay would be: $111,000.
redeyeddawg
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In law school they teach law.
In medical school they teach medicine.
In engineering school they teach engineering.
In government school they teach.... well, GOVERNMENT! and how to be it's slave. The bright side is the prison guard will have them after they graduate. And we wonder why our country is going down the toilet.
In medical school they teach medicine.
In engineering school they teach engineering.
In government school they teach.... well, GOVERNMENT! and how to be it's slave. The bright side is the prison guard will have them after they graduate. And we wonder why our country is going down the toilet.
ADCcoyote
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The NEA is a lousy deal, the big dogs sit and get a big pay check while doing very little at the "local level". They protect those with more years than those that really have the zeal to teach, not all cases but alot. They are a leftist group looking to keep an eye on there betterment than any group of teachers in any sized district.
Teachers as a whole are under paid, and the NEA really does nothing for these teachers. You can not expect 5% every year as a raise, with rising cost of other benefits. Smaller towns are on very fixed budgets, you don't need vouchers in areas of open enrollment. Many areas are taxed to the max and it cost students and dollars by them moving to other areas.
Small districts if feasable need to combine and those with sparsity factors need more of the pie.Education ranks at the top of federal spending today and also state spending. Teachers who don't have the drive need to find other jobs and let those that have the drive take over and do so.We need to spend out school dollars very wisely and put more emphasis on schooling than sports! I see so many schools with very large athletic funds, while the general school funding struggles.
NCLB act is a good one even thought the NEA and others tell you it is not. We can't expect accountability from students or parents without the same in the schools. Teachers have many things to cope with and many give time before and after just to keep on top of things. Technology can make a big differance and help keep cost down.
I could go on and on but education has 3 needs good teachers,good parents and for kids to be prideful of what they can accomplish instead of all this new age crap of grading and how all kids are basicly equal or given multiple chances at course work and the ability to make there grade better with these multiple chances, the real world doesn't work that way.
Teachers as a whole are under paid, and the NEA really does nothing for these teachers. You can not expect 5% every year as a raise, with rising cost of other benefits. Smaller towns are on very fixed budgets, you don't need vouchers in areas of open enrollment. Many areas are taxed to the max and it cost students and dollars by them moving to other areas.
Small districts if feasable need to combine and those with sparsity factors need more of the pie.Education ranks at the top of federal spending today and also state spending. Teachers who don't have the drive need to find other jobs and let those that have the drive take over and do so.We need to spend out school dollars very wisely and put more emphasis on schooling than sports! I see so many schools with very large athletic funds, while the general school funding struggles.
NCLB act is a good one even thought the NEA and others tell you it is not. We can't expect accountability from students or parents without the same in the schools. Teachers have many things to cope with and many give time before and after just to keep on top of things. Technology can make a big differance and help keep cost down.
I could go on and on but education has 3 needs good teachers,good parents and for kids to be prideful of what they can accomplish instead of all this new age crap of grading and how all kids are basicly equal or given multiple chances at course work and the ability to make there grade better with these multiple chances, the real world doesn't work that way.