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I am thinking of putting a Leupold reflex sight on the side of my R-15 with a 3 sided rail. Has anybody done this?
Does it work?
Will it improve the capabilities or will it just aggravate me and be a wasted of money.
 
I had a red dot mounted at the 1:00 position off of my rear scope ring that worked good for it's purpose, just tilt the rifle a little bit and start throwing lead at close targets.

I don't know that I would like one mounted on the side, you will have to can't the rifle quite a bit for target aquisition, thats more for a laser or flashlight.
 
Quote:I don't know that I would like one mounted on the side

How about if you mounted it straight off the left side and sighted it in using your left eye?
I've been considering trying that myself.
Mount right to the scope tube with a low ring and it may work.
 
Originally Posted By: Evil_Lurker Quote:I don't know that I would like one mounted on the side

How about if you mounted it straight off the left side and sighted it in using your left eye?
I've been considering trying that myself.
Mount right to the scope tube with a low ring and it may work.

Thats not a bad idea, just look a little to the side for target aquisition with both eye's open. It may even work off to the right side as well???


Mine was mounted off the right at about the 1:00 position and all I had to do was drop my rifle down a hair into my shoulder pocket and barely can't it to the left, just a hair.
They make scope mount upper half's for this exact reason and they do work well for it's intended purpose.
If I remember correctly the ring I used was a Burris offset and I used thier FastFire before they came out with the FFII which is actualy waterproof (the reason I switched my set up was the water issue).

If you search around you will find many different options for doing this it just depends on personal taste preferrences and intended use of the rifle.
 
The one I saw that had it was mounted at a 45 just cant the rifle and it seemed to work pretty well, I think they make a three sided rail that you could also push it forward wich would give better eye relief for the scope.

Koh when you say 1:00 was that of the top of your scope or the rifle. It seems like if it was up high it would be prone to damage.
 
Quote:It may even work off to the right side as well???


It would, I just hate to cant my rifle.

Here's what I was thinking, see if it makes sense:

Get it mounted centerline on the scope, and as far off-center horizontally as your eyes are apart.
Now, both eyes open, you see the scope image and the dot, both.

I figured that putting the dot on the target would also center the target in the scope (even on high mag), instead of having to search around like you would normally have to do.

Similar to a low-power "spotter" scope on a high-mag telescope.

Fastfire II would be perfect. If it didn't work out on the predator rig, I could mount it on my Ruger Mk. II pistol.
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It's not the R-15 but i like this position on the R-25. don't have to cant it very much to get a great sight picture with it. Still waiting for the smaller 45 degree mount to get here for the R-15 as it will have to be on the pic rail on the reciever. I do like it out front though. alot easier to center up the triangle plex in the glass. closer it's harder to get exact center. This sight does get finicky about "off-center" of glass. I like it alot for close range stuff though. Enough to have 2 now!
the pictures are a little poor but you get the idea. pretty nice actually as far as positioning in it goes.
Good luck and have fun.

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predator caller, what brand is the sight, and what 45 adapter are you using? ALso, how does the gun shoulder with the scope that low?
 
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That's the Leupold Deltapoint. Ilike the fact that i can "zero" a fine point using the tip of the triangle. I can actually shoot a real good 100 yd group with it. The scope itself is sitting in a set of leupold HIGH rings and works just fine for me. A set of EXTRA HIGHS would be nice, but i have no issues at all getting into this setup. Everything is nice and close and "right there' when i need it....!
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Quote:I am thinking of putting a Leupold reflex sight on the side of my R-15 with a 3 sided rail. Has anybody done this?
Does it work?
Will it improve the capabilities or will it just aggravate me and be a wasted of money.
SWH,,
In answer to your questions.... Quite a few competition shooters in 3-gun and other action rifle matches that shoot in the "Open" (anything goes) classes use similar setups...

As to improving your capabilities, that is one that only you can determine due to practice and familiarity of use...But the 'professional' shooters that I know that use them have their normal optic set for 100-200 yard 'zero' and their red dots for use on the 15-30 yard targets...Some will be set to the left, some to the right and that's a personal preference...

If you just slap that type of setup on a rifle and expect to hit every time, you will be very aggravated, as each optic has to be zero'd for a general distance and how stable that 'zero' winds up may be questionable...Your red dot will suffer parallax just as a normal scope does and if you try to shoot past your point of 'zero' (convergence)...you will likely miss..

Bear in mind that your red dot is off to the side and above the bore (45*), so your point of intersection changes somewhat with each yard or so and it depends on how tight you expect your hits to be within that cone of convergence...A big difference when you are used to shooting with an optic that is directly over the bore of the rifle...

Example:: If you have your 'zero' set at 25 yards and your red dot is to the left of your scope (assuming you shoot right handed),,,,and your target is at 10 yards,,,most of your hits will be to the upper left of your point of aim.... If your target is at 40+ yards,,,your hits will be lower right,,of your point of aim....

While these differences may not be dramatic,,, You have to practice enough that the adjustments become second nature...Just like shooting an AR with the sight plane 2.5" above the bore and shooting at close (5-15 yard) targets, you have to know (and adjust) that your point of impact will be below your sight picture..It's for that reason that some shooters will place their red dot right above their scope, and have it 'zero'd' at a really close distance...

It doesn't look as "Cool" but it is more practical..
 
Thanks old turtle, when I started this I was pretty set that of at a 45 was the best option. seemed a little more compact and tight, less chance of ripping it of in some brush. But I think I am going to go with straght above the scope.
 
If you're going straight above, the Burris XTR ings with the Picatinny top rail will get you set up fairly cheap. That's the same cap they're using on their PEPR one-piece mount.

Burris XTR link

I've got a set of the XTR rings, they're heavy duty.
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I just put the burris pepr mount on my AR and I am considering putting the burris fast fire on it like it is pictured in the link above. Saves from having to buy a offset mount like the daniel defense ect.
 
I liked red dots,specifically the Burris FastFire and use them on a couple of handguns, ar and a shotgun. I can't see any practical use for them in combination with a scope. The reason for the red dot is fast target acquisition. With the combination of the two I could see myself losing time deciding on which sight to use.
 
Originally Posted By: OldTurtleQuote:I am thinking of putting a Leupold reflex sight on the side of my R-15 with a 3 sided rail. Has anybody done this?
Does it work?
Will it improve the capabilities or will it just aggravate me and be a wasted of money.
SWH,,
In answer to your questions.... Quite a few competition shooters in 3-gun and other action rifle matches that shoot in the "Open" (anything goes) classes use similar setups...

As to improving your capabilities, that is one that only you can determine due to practice and familiarity of use...But the 'professional' shooters that I know that use them have their normal optic set for 100-200 yard 'zero' and their red dots for use on the 15-30 yard targets...Some will be set to the left, some to the right and that's a personal preference...

If you just slap that type of setup on a rifle and expect to hit every time, you will be very aggravated, as each optic has to be zero'd for a general distance and how stable that 'zero' winds up may be questionable...Your red dot will suffer parallax just as a normal scope does and if you try to shoot past your point of 'zero' (convergence)...you will likely miss..

Bear in mind that your red dot is off to the side and above the bore (45*), so your point of intersection changes somewhat with each yard or so and it depends on how tight you expect your hits to be within that cone of convergence...A big difference when you are used to shooting with an optic that is directly over the bore of the rifle...

Example:: If you have your 'zero' set at 25 yards and your red dot is to the left of your scope (assuming you shoot right handed),,,,and your target is at 10 yards,,,most of your hits will be to the upper left of your point of aim.... If your target is at 40+ yards,,,your hits will be lower right,,of your point of aim....

While these differences may not be dramatic,,, You have to practice enough that the adjustments become second nature...Just like shooting an AR with the sight plane 2.5" above the bore and shooting at close (5-15 yard) targets, you have to know (and adjust) that your point of impact will be below your sight picture..It's for that reason that some shooters will place their red dot right above their scope, and have it 'zero'd' at a really close distance...

It doesn't look as "Cool" but it is more practical..

Not real sure how "most" people set this up; but i happen to use a little common sense when i shoot it like this. When i sight-in as well as shoot the Reflex sight it IS directly above the bore. Works just like any other optic as far as being just "so-far" above the bore. When it comes to the bullet path crossing the line of sight: i have no issues as i shoot it directly above the bore. granted: if it was truly shot as it sits in these pictures: then YES it would. A slight cant to the inside and it's directly above bore and acts just like any other optic. It just has a huge field of view and centers in the glass just right for me. I really like this system and seem to like the accuracy all the way OUT TO 100 yds plus.
It's just a matter of how that setup is held and shot during firing, weather it be sighting it in or hunting or target stuff. I bought it for real close range hog and coyote hunting and for close (no matter 10 yds or 80 yds) it works the same way. Real close: hold a tad high. Further out" hold right on and pull the trigger.
Maybe i'm not "normal" but i love the way i shoot this setup. Works like a charm.!
Thanks for letting me vent a bit, but i felt this needed some explaining.
For ME.. this works maybe it won't work for anybody else.
Enjoy..
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