Remington agrees to `retrofit’ several million rifles

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JMO, but it sure seems it would have been a lot cheaper had they followed Walker's suggestion for the fix on his trigger years ago at a cost of less than $.06 ea. at the time.

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Remington agrees to `retrofit’ several million rifles

Mike Dennison



BOZEMAN – The Remington Arms Co., seeking to settle claims that its iconic Model 700 bolt-action rifle and other rifles have defective trigger mechanisms that led to injuries and deaths, agreed Friday to replace the trigger mechanism in millions of weapons.

The massive recall, proposed in a settlement filed late Friday in federal court in Kansas City, Mo., also culminates a 14-year crusade by Montana resident Richard Barber, whose son, Gus, died after being shot when a Model 700 fired accidentally in 2000.

Barber, of Manhattan, said Friday he hopes the recall will end up saving many Remington rifle-owners from harm or death – and that was his goal all along.

“I did this to serve and protect others,” he said in an interview in Bozeman. “I made a promise to Gus, three days after he died, that I would never be bought off and that I would never quit, until I effected change. …

“When I was doing this, I heard it a thousand times that one person can’t make a difference, so why even try? I never believed it.”

Barber spent years researching the trigger mechanism in the Model 700 and pushing for a recall, saying a defect in the mechanism caused rifles sometimes to fire without the trigger being pulled.

The proposed settlement still must be approved by U.S. District Judge Ortrie Smith of Kansas City, after which the recall process would occur.

Court documents filed Friday said the models affected by the settlement include 7.85 million rifles sold in the United States – but not all of those can or need to be retrofitted with new trigger mechanisms.

Remington, while admitting no wrongdoing, agreed to an extensive recall and retrofit of its rifles or, in some cases, a small payment for older rifles that can’t be retrofitted.

The proposed settlement includes:
•For Models 700, Seven, Sportsman 78 and 673 rifles, the company will remove the original Walker trigger mechanism and replace it with a new X-Mark Pro mechanism.
•• For Models 710, 715 and 770, the company will remove the original trigger mechanism and replace it with a Model 770 connector-less mechanism.
•For Models 600, 660, XP-100, 721, 722 and 725, the company will provide vouchers of $12.50 or $10, depending on the model, redeemable for Remington products. These rifles are between 32 and 62 years old, and cannot be retrofitted with a connector-less trigger mechanism.
•Models 700 and Seven rifles made between May 2006 and April 9, 2014, with an X-Mark Pro trigger mechanism, will be retrofitted with a new assembly. Earlier this year, Remington had recalled these weapons, after discovering a flaw in the new trigger mechanism.

Remington said it will pay the costs of the repairs and the shipping of any weapon that’s repaired. The company also said once the settlement is approved, it will advertise via press release, direct notices, a website and social media how rifle-owners can file claim forms to get their weapons repaired.

The company also agreed to pay the eight named plaintiffs in the class-action lawsuit $2,500 each for their “time and effort” associated with the case – and $12.5 million to the plaintiffs’ attorneys, subject to approval by the court.

Barber, who settled his own lawsuit against Remington years ago, said his lengthy crusade almost bankrupted his family, and that he’s been doing most of his work on the case without pay.

He also complimented Remington Arms officials for agreeing to the recall and working toward a settlement that would protect rifle owners.

“I’m sympathetic to the company that now owns Remington,” he said. “They’re doing what needs to be done for all of us to move forward with our lives. … I’m really humbled.”

Barber’s crusade began in October 2000, after his 9-year-old son was fatally shot on a family hunting trip.

A Model 700 rifle fired when Barber’s wife, Barbara, released the safety as she prepared to unload the gun, the family says. The bullet went through a horse trailer and hit Gus, who, unbeknownst to her, had run behind the trailer.

When news of Gus’s death was reported in newspapers, Barber began hearing from people who’d experienced similar incidents of unintentional firing by the Remington 700.

An expert shooter and small-arms instructor, Barber started looking into the incidents, and discovered what he believed to be a defective trigger mechanism introduced by the company in the 1940s and installed in millions of rifles.

During his quest, Barber retrieved thousands of documents, met with attorney representing victims of shooting accidents, and met with top Remington executives about possible fixes to the rifle’s trigger mechanism.

The company designed a new fire-control mechanism – the X-Mark Pro – and began installing it in new models in 2006. But he says it reneged on what he thought was a deal to halt production of the old, defective mechanism.

Barber continued to speak out publicly about his concerns, and, as recently as last year, called for the company to be prosecuted for fraud, saying it had deceived courts and the public about what it knew were defects in the rifle’s trigger mechanism.

But in the fall of 2013, Remington and lawyers for gun owners who said their rifles had accidentally fired began mediating the case, and came to an agreement in September to settle, including the recall.

Barber said Friday he hopes now to “disappear” and get on with his life – but that the years of effort were worth it.

“When Gus was killed, nobody knew anything about (the defective trigger mechanism),” he said. “It was all concealed in our courtrooms. I sought to put an end to that. … My message is that secrecy kills.”

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hm
 
So the Plantiffs get $2,500.00 each and the attorneys get 12.5 million to split. That means if the attorneys got the same as the Plantiffs $2,500.00 for a 50/50 split their would have to be 5000 attorneys!
 
Originally Posted By: SwiftThis will never disappear.

It could have if the fix had been done long before there were over 7 million potential problems.

Quote:While Walker contended the issue had to do with the manufacturing process and not his design, critics including firearms experts and plaintiffs' attorneys have argued that the same aspects of the design that allow the gun to fire so smoothly also make it possible for internal parts of the trigger to become misaligned, rendering the gun unsafe.

Regardless, in 1948 Walker proposed a fix designed to lock the parts in place, but the change was never implemented.

Walker died in 2013 at age 101. But he told CNBC in 2010 that he believed Remington's rejection of his proposal "had something to do with cost." A 1948 internal analysis obtained by CNBC estimated the cost of the change to be 5 ½ cents per gun.


I know! There are millions of otherwise fine Remington rifles out there that have not malfunctioned, but there are a number that have; often with disastrous results.
I also know. The rifle has to be pointed in an unsafe direction for harm to be done. Can anyone here honestly say they have never pointed a firearm in an unsafe direction?

It is a shame that the decision was made many years ago to kick the can down the road rather than addressing the issue at such an insignificant cost, thus casting a shadow on an otherwise stellar rifle, that, as Swift says, "will never go away".

Just sayin'.

Regards,
hm

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hm
 
So hm are you going to send in all your Remingtons". How are they going to react to our rebarreled custom guns that still have the original triggers?

I, myself, am not sending in a $3,000 custom for them to dick with. I have a couple XP's and a 600 so I'll get $30.00 or so for the apology and that will be the sum toatal for me. I own, IIRC, six unaltered 700's along with a couple with commercial trigger upgrades. They will remain snuggly in my safe and i will endeavor to be a safe hunter and shooter.

Greg
 
Originally Posted By: pyscodogI'm not sending them anything.I'll fix or replace them myself.

I'm setting here thinking of the lterally hundreds of precison 700's that I worked with in the FBOP in my M/O calsses I taught. I bed our armnorers are beside themselves about whatto do. The triggers were crappy to start with because they weren't allowed to adjust them per policy. I'm sure they won't get better in the trade out.

Greg

PS: Thank goodness for Trigger Fairies. Many a rifle came to class with me and went home with nail polish on their screws. I'll never understand how those groups shrunk and why the long range targets got easier for some of those boys..LOL
 
My 660 had a trigger recall years ago. That one is taken care but I'm happy with the trigger in my 6mm 700.Then again the 700 I have was made back when remington made quality rifles. Remington will never see that one.
 
Originally Posted By: GLShooterSo hm are you going to send in all your Remingtons". How are they going to react to our rebarreled custom guns that still have the original triggers?


I grew up in the "golden years" when there were tons of surplus 98 Mausers and 03's out there, which could be ordered by mail
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for cheap, and had a wonderful gunsmith friend/mentor that took me under his wing when I was in high school. He patiently walked me through a couple of custom mausers as I never could scrape up enough money for a "store bought" rifle and could piece together the mausers as I could afford the parts. He even kept a running tab on the books for me.
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So, I never owned a Remington until the late 80's, when I was shooting NRA XTC competition. I had two pre-64 mod 70 target rifles that were my favorites, but ran across a smoking deal on a brand new Remington 40XC, straight from the custom shop, sitting on a local dealer's shelf.

Since my weakest position was standing, and since the XC stock was a deep bellied (if ugly) configuration that was perfect for offhand, I couldn't resist. It had a wonderful trigger and lacked absolutely nothing in the accuracy department. The only fault this rifle had, was the fact that the very first round out of the box was a "FORS" (Remington's acronym for "Fire on Release of Safety".

Now, since I was strapped into the rifle in the prone position, there is absolutely no way my hand was anywhere near the trigger when I switched the safety off and the rifle fired! Yes, it was pointed in a safe direction, downrange toward target line, and the bullet struck the backstop, but it was quite unnerving to say the least. So these "accidental discharges", do occur. Considering the number of 721's and 700's out there, I agree the chance is quite low that your rifle will do so, but , mine did and I for one, having handled firearms most of my 78 year life, cannot claim to have "never pointed a firearm in an unsafe direction."

So, I will not be sending a rifle in to Remington for the retrofit, as I have since opted for Win. and other rifles w/the three position safety.

I'll be the first to praise Remington rifles in the accuracy department and even go so far as to say they had one of the nicest factory triggers on the market in the day, but that safety issue queers the deal for me.

Just my opinion, for what it's worth, and I respect others opinions that disagree. Just sayin', watch yer muzzle , no matter what rifle you choose to carry.
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Regards,
hm
 
Originally Posted By: vahunterMy 660 had a trigger recall years ago. That one is taken care but I'm happy with the trigger in my 6mm 700.Then again the 700 I have was made back when remington made quality rifles. Remington will never see that one.

The trigger issue pre-dates the 700; even 721's used that same trigger.

I'm not versed on the 660, but Remington's recall of the 700's only provided Remington an opportunity to clean and inspect each trigger (and replace it if potential for FORS existed at that time). They then "dehorned" the safety to allow bolt to be opened with safety on, which is definitely a good thing.

Regards,
hm
 
I am just trying to find some info, does the rifle discharge with the safety on, when the safety is removed or anytime after the safety is removed?
 
Mine fired as the safety was pushed forward & that seems to be the majority of the complaints that I am familiar with.

Regards,
hm
 
I have a 700 bdl that I have owned since 1986. 2 years ago I got out of the truck with my daughter we crossed the gate and I went to chamber a round. My left hand was on the fore end and my right was on the bolt handle with nothing near the trigger, safety was off. When I went to close the bolt it had a lot of resistance as in very stiff when I closed it down the rifle discharged. I looked again and nothing was in or near the trigger. That was the original walker trigger I called Remington and they took my trigger and charged me at a reduced price for their new trigger. Got the rifle back and a few months later got a recall on the new trigger. I have not sent it back in yet.
 
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I had a Rem 700 .30-06 Mountain rifle purchased new on sale. There was some scuttle about misfires, so I contacted Rem. They said I was welcome to take it to a Rem approved service center.
I paid and picked it up. The Smith told me it was fixed up and lighter all the rumors were just crap and thanks for the business.
While rechecking sightin preseason, setup on bags pointed at the target, on the third shot when the safety was released the gun went off.
What was just as much surprise was all the Rem guys Who said I was full of it. The Rem guys who accused me of dinking with the trigger and handling the gun improperly. Or pulling the trigger.
Sorry Rem guys, I sold it and the gun has been free to re offend.
This problem could and should have been taken care of long before I was born.
I have never had another make of firearm discharge by closing the bolt or releasing a safety. Actually have had a few that failed to discharge when I pulled the trigger.
Since that time I have met a few people that have experienced the Remington surprise.
 
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