Roadside Game Checkpoints???

[DAA]

Anymore thoughts on the ORIGINAL TOPIC?

I've never seen a roadside game checkpoint in Mn but have in Nd.

See them every year in Utah. I've always stopped for them. Never been any big deal. They take a tooth. Later I get a letter, or nowadays an email, letting me know the age of my buck. No big whup.

Utah has boat check points too. I've never stopped for one of them. Figure if they are that worried about it they can chase me down and reel me in. I abide by the rules for not spreading the invasive aquatics. But I ain't getting to the lake 20 minutes after the sun is up just to stop for one of those check points.

- DAA

 

[DAA]

I guess I should add... Other states, no clue. Maybe others have had completely different experiences in Utah, I don't know.

But every time I have stopped, I've never seen any law enforcement presence. Just biologists, gathering data. They have always been super friendly and acted super quick, always thanked me for stopping. Never heard of anyone being chased down for not stopping here, but, that's just my experience.

- DAA

 

[hm1996]

I've hunted and fished in Texas 70 years as an adult and a few more as a minor and can count on one hand the number of times I've been stopped by a game warden. Only twice have I encountered checkpoints on the highway and both of those were just checking for tags on deer on opening weekend of deer season in a county known for outlaw hunting. One night I did have a game warden follow me to camp which was on a semi-private road which served several ranches in the area around midnight and visit with us as we stopped to open our gate. That particular road was used often by night (deer) hunters. Have never had a boat safety inspection.
Did have a couple of game wardens come through camp to check our game log book; all encounters have been conducted very professionally.
Only other contact has been when I gave the local game wardens a courtesy call when I was planning to do some night hunting in their jurisdiction.
Did have multiple contacts with border patrolmen on one ranch I hunted for 20 years that bordered the Rio Grande and ran 15 miles north. Heavy brush so it had quite a lot of illegal traffic. It was not uncommon to encounter officers looking for individuals which had been spotted by aircraft or the aerostat tethered on the river about 5 miles east.

 

[spotstalkshoot]

PA courts just ruled on a case of Game Wardens entering private property and placing cameras. The court ruled it as unconstitutional, violating PA constitution. I believe many states would side with it's citizens about law enforcement using electronic surveillance on private property without warrants. The open fields doctrine hasn't been challenged much, probably needs to be revisited by the SCOTUS.

 

[DoubleLungRage]

PA courts just ruled on a case of Game Wardens entering private property and placing cameras. The court ruled it as unconstitutional, violating PA constitution. I believe many states would side with it's citizens about law enforcement using electronic surveillance on private property without warrants. The open fields doctrine hasn't been challenged much, probably needs to be revisited by the SCOTUS.

I seen this a few days ago. Was going to copy and paste the link here, but that discussion got kinda boring. LoL

Over the past 4-5 years I've seen the Open Fields doctrine get challenged a pretty good bit, but it seems like the government always wins.

One of the things that happens here a lot is the Wardens will come on your property and remove your SD card and DL the pictures to help build their case against you.

 

[bohunr]

open fields has always been unconstitutional, its about time the courts got it right.

 

[Foxpro.223]

Exactly. It was a round hole 16’ in diameter. They lied about every single thing that happened that day. We bought it hook, line, and sinker because during times of intense stress, people are comforted by a comprehensive story and rally around an external enemy. They were blaming OBL before noon that day.

Most everything you think you know is a lie.

We knew the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor. We provoked them documented in the McCullom memo.

The Holocaust was exaggerated. They did it. But, 6M didn’t die.

The West funded Hitler.

We brought thousands of Nazis here after the war via operation Paperclip.

Lee Harvey Oswald was a patsy.

The Gulf of Tonkin was a hoax.

The US govt created LSD and tested it on US citizens.

We didn’t go to the moon.

A 30-06 round did not get stuck in Charlie Kirk’s neck.

"Our greatest ally" attacked the USS Liberty.

Now they're working to integrate the foreign government of Israel into our military.

US-Israel Defense Integration on Horizon as House Keeps Section 219 in NDAA

The House passed the NDAA with Section 219 intact, advancing expanded U.S.-Israel defense cooperation despite bipartisan opposition.

www.military.com

 

[dave3006]

"Our greatest ally" attacked the USS Liberty.

Now they're working to integrate the foreign government of Israel into our military.

US-Israel Defense Integration on Horizon as House Keeps Section 219 in NDAA

The House passed the NDAA with Section 219 intact, advancing expanded U.S.-Israel defense cooperation despite bipartisan opposition.

www.military.com

After 9/11, we realized we had a middle eastern threat. The problem was that it wasn't fanatical Muslims. It was Israeli.

The Israeli lobby controls almost every aspect of our government. We are literally captive to a foreign entity. In the spirit of complete honesty, US Christians are largely to blame because they don't know their Bible and fell for the lie of Zionism. They support and vote for the evil Godless State of Israel that hates us and hates Jesus Christ.

 

[steve garrett]

To be clear about myself. I could not be further from certain there is nothing beyond the physical world that we perceive. I'm only certain that I don't know. I lean towards wanting to believe there is. I don't reject the likelihood of a creator. I just reject all the religious dogma I have ever been exposed to. I tried, and tried to believe. Acted like I did. For most of my life. Always felt like a liar. Was not comfortable in my own skin until my mid forties, when my Dad died, and I finally admitted to myself and everyone else that I just don't believe. Huge weight lifted off my shoulders, not having to live a lie anymore.

- DAA

I think being open to new information doesn't make one an "atheist". I consider that a label that denies for certain there might be a creator. simply saying I don't know and don't have evidence but would be open to it. that doesn't sound like and atheist to me.

I like to look closely at the laws of nature. I believe there are things we can do and live that generally produce a better outcome and a happier life. examples would be giving and charity. I believe this helps the giver more than the recipient, I can't explain why, (successful people almost universally have some charity they do) I believe the laws of morality and violating them have consequences for us long term that we may not see at the time. (yes I have violated them and FAFO'd)I think service to other people helps us with happiness and life satisfaction. These laws of nature are strongly promoted in the organized religion I attend, its deemed as commandments and principles of the gospel. Simply put I think the tenants of organized religion align closely with a happier and less complex life. Another would be repentance, This teaches us to self evaluate and question our actions, its a chance to ponder and think did I handle this right. It also suggests an unselfishness that defers to something other than one's self. I believe this self reflection is powerful for all people and yet so lost on so many, we need more of it. I believe prayer is another form of meditation that has shown to be helpful for all peoples. This also impacts your family. For instance all women are crazy, I just say its a matter of how often and how bad to me I am not going to put my entire life's work and spend it with someone that is going to bounce and leave and blow half it with some other man along with my young children that I don't get to raise. Simply put I use organized religion as an insurance policy for that. I believe its unlikely my home, marriage and family all goes to shit if I keep them going to church and living it. BTW I was married before and lived the other side and know what the alternative looks like. I could go on about the benefits of religion that if done even as a non believer leads to better family outcomes.

this is the long way of saying that if tomorrow its all Santa Claus, I don't change much. maybe have a cigar and some whiskey.

 

[Foxpro.223]

After 9/11, we realized we had a middle eastern threat. The problem was that it wasn't fanatical Muslims. It was Israeli.

The Israeli lobby controls almost every aspect of our government. We are literally captive to a foreign entity. In the spirit of complete honesty, US Christians are largely to blame because they don't know their Bible and fell for the lie of Zionism. They support and vote for the evil Godless State of Israel that hates us and hates Jesus Christ.

That foreign entity has too much influence over US elections and the direction we go as a country, while the mainstream media keeps telling us that it is china we should be worried about. China is not a firend, but if china is the biggest threat we face why is trump working to bring 600,000 chinese here to place in American universities of which are already overrun with marxist thought and influence..they don't want to talk about how the foreign lobby of that little country the size of New Jersey has been infiltrating and interfering in US elctions running israeli operatives for our congressional seats and buying off our politicians along with the leviathan of unaccountable unconstituinal 4th branch bureaucracies. Then throw in all the other special interests, NGOs, and publc private partnerships while expanding on their already massive survaillance state...but as one of the more recent examples of election interference was with the recent congressional primary race in Kentucky's 's 4th Congressional District between some israeli stooge big government establishment crony no one ever heard of before who couldn't even muster to get 25 people to his rallies vs the already established America first limited government patriot Thomas Massie of which Israel funneled over fifteen million dollars into that israel first stooges campaign, one of the most expensive primary elctions in US history and as a side note to that, they've even gone as far as to craft legislation to make it a crime to criticize that little foreign country and it's lobby.

This is really nothing new, but our Congress is nothing but a small group of self serving opportunists on both sides of isle of whom don't represent the people, but are more beholden to foreign and speacial interests focussed on enriching themselves for their own personal benefit of whom continue to prolong the deep seated corruption that is draining our country of it's financial resources while expanding on their survaillance state apparatus demonizing people who seek limited Constituonal governance, the rule of law, fewer regulations, less bureaucracy and more freedom as "right wing extremism" while giving all our money away to people who don't give two sheets about the American people in my opinion.

These are some of the reasosns why our country keeps going to the left despite have a majority of Rs in control of the legislative and executive branches.

Also, Congressman Massie should replace the neocon old turtle McConnell in the US Senate. There isn't a more Constitutional and pro gun guy in Congress and he has the receipts to show for that.

 

[Foxpro.223]

The courts view hunting as a voluntary, highly regulated recreational activity. By choosing to hunt, you're also choosing to give up certain privacy protections for inspections. That's why a game warden can check your shotgun for a plug to make sure it's legal without probable cause, even though a police officer generally can't search your vehicle for contraband without it.

It's kind of messed up when you think about it. Hunting is part of who we are. Humans survived as hunters and gatherers for thousands of years. Over time, they slowly chipped away at that until what was once a fundamental means of putting food on the table became nothing more than a state-regulated recreational activity. That's a pretty extreme shift when you stop and think about it.

I remember the conditioning we received in our hunter safety class and how they drove home the point how hunting and fishing are privileges.

Perhaps hunting and fishing should be rights as well.

 

[retrieverman]

One of the things that happens here a lot is the Wardens will come on your property and remove your SD card and DL the pictures to help build their case against you.

I own property and hunt 500 miles from where I live and use cell cams to monitor it. A trespasser would have to be really fast to beat the picture being sent.

 

[Infidel 762]

I think being open to new information doesn't make one an "atheist". I consider that a label that denies for certain there might be a creator. simply saying I don't know and don't have evidence but would be open to it. that doesn't sound like and atheist to me.

That's kind of why I was leaning toward the agnostic label. To me, atheism sounds like a conclusion, while agnosticism sounds like an acknowledgment that there are still unanswered questions. If someone says, "I don't know, I don't have enough evidence, but I'm open to wherever the evidence leads," that seems more agnostic than atheist. Curiosity and certainty aren't the same thing, and I think there's a lot more room for curiosity than certainty when it comes to questions this big.

I like to look closely at the laws of nature. I believe there are things we can do and live that generally produce a better outcome and a happier life. examples would be giving and charity. I believe this helps the giver more than the recipient, I can't explain why, (successful people almost universally have some charity they do) I believe the laws of morality and violating them have consequences for us long term that we may not see at the time. (yes I have violated them and FAFO'd)I think service to other people helps us with happiness and life satisfaction. These laws of nature are strongly promoted in the organized religion I attend, its deemed as commandments and principles of the gospel. Simply put I think the tenants of organized religion align closely with a happier and less complex life. Another would be repentance, This teaches us to self evaluate and question our actions, its a chance to ponder and think did I handle this right. It also suggests an unselfishness that defers to something other than one's self. I believe this self reflection is powerful for all people and yet so lost on so many, we need more of it. I believe prayer is another form of meditation that has shown to be helpful for all peoples. This also impacts your family. For instance all women are crazy, I just say its a matter of how often and how bad to me I am not going to put my entire life's work and spend it with someone that is going to bounce and leave and blow half it with some other man along with my young children that I don't get to raise. Simply put I use organized religion as an insurance policy for that. I believe its unlikely my home, marriage and family all goes to shit if I keep them going to church and living it. BTW I was married before and lived the other side and know what the alternative looks like. I could go on about the benefits of religion that if done even as a non believer leads to better family outcomes.

I think we're saying a lot of the same thing from different directions. To me, that's the basic gist of karma—you generally get back what you put into the world.

I've tried to practice the principles of a spiritual 12-step program for over 24 years. One thing it taught me was not to write off any brand of organized religion, but to be quick to see when they're right. I also learned to take personal inventory continuously, and when I'm wrong, promptly admit it and make amends. It sounds simple, but it's one of the hardest things a person can do.

I've found that guilt, anger, and resentment have a way of blocking you off from the sunlight of whatever higher power or creative force you're trying to align your will with. They become static. The quieter your mind gets, the easier it is to recognize when your own ego is the one behind the wheel.

I pray a lot, and not once in all these years have I ever heard an audible answer. But I've gotten plenty of answers through intuition—that quiet nudge that says, "Don't say that," "Pick up the phone," or "Make things right." The hard part isn't hearing it. The hard part is listening. I've come to believe God rarely shouts. Most of the time, He whispers. Maybe that's why so many people miss Him. We're usually too busy arguing over who has the right religion instead of becoming the kind of person every religion is trying to point us toward.

 

[dave3006]

I will be less politically correct.

"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God"
Psalm 14:1

God reveals himself via his creation

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Romans 1:18-20

I don't buy the excuse that people need more information. Everyone knows there is a God. But, people deny it because of their sin. It is not an intellectual problem. It is a spiritual and moral problem. Before I became a Christian at age 25, the fact that a God existed was the most obvious thing in the world.

I just couldn't understand why he had to send his Son to die for me. Couldn't he just say "Its all cool." Now I know. God is Holy and cannot accept sin. His nature is to judge sin. Because God is also loving, he took our punishment for us. We have to accept this gift through faith in his Son or pay the penalty ourself, which is death.

How much easier could he make it? You don't even have to get off your chair to inherit eternal life.

 

[spotstalkshoot]

As hunters we visit dark places at dark times. Much different from having in your head dark thoughts, keep the light on in your head(good over evil) and choose a GOOD path to follow.