savage mdl 10 or remington model 7

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yotesmokerz

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Just wondering if anyone has them. I am going to buy one but cannot decide which one to get. I dont know if i like the heavy barrel on the savage and the remington is fluted but is about $150 more than the savage. Give me the good and bad on each. Will probably go with .223, maybe .243. Any advice will be appreciated
 
Hate to tell you this, but their both great guns. If your going to use this as a calling rifle I'd stay away from a heavy barrel rifle. Packing one to 10 to 20 coyote sets a day will turn you into Arnold Swartznegger.

I've got a model 7 in 308 and it's a wonderful accurate light rifle and my old shooting partner shoots a Savage model 10 and it's a great rifle also. The determing factor may just be the accutrigger, lots of folks really like that Savage trigger.

Best I can say is find a shop that has them both and shoulder them a few times. One of them will feel better to you than the other.

If price is your determining factor then the Savage is certainly the best buy.
 
Never met a Savage that would not shoot. Not saying there arent some bad ones but Savages are generally very accurate out of the box rifles. My next comment I hope nobody takes wrong although I am sure someone will. As a person who works part time on a gun counter (second job) I get to see the quality, workmanship and see the different guns that seem to have problems and the ones that dont. I am a Remington fan from way back and own several but I just have to say that Remington's lower and middle end stuff has taken a serious nose dive over the last couple of years. Their fit and finish and quality control are among the worst I have seen in the Industry and we get a ton of complaints and or rifles back from Remington owners. Again, I am not putting down all Remingtons but this has been my observation. Take it for what its worth.

You want an affordable, quality, top notch shooter for a reasonable price? Buy a Black Synthetic Tikka T3 with a blued barrel in whatever caliber you want. If you pay more than $480.00 plus tax for it you are getting ripped off (we sell them for $479.99). You wont be disappointed with the Tikka. The Savage would be my next choice. The Remington would be my last behind Weatherby, Howa, Browning, Ruger and Stevens (in no particular order).

To prove I am not a Remington hater, it should be noted that as soon as the R15 VTR becomes available in the .204 I will be buying one. I am hoping this gun will be a whole nother ball of wax than their bolt guns. Just to clarify further I am talking todays Remington, not yesterdays Remington. Some of the most accurate custom rifles I have ever seen were based off the Remington 700 action.
 
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The determing factor may just be the accutrigger, lots of folks really like that Savage trigger.



If that's the case, the new Remington Model Seven loses. A friend of mine and I both each just bought a new Model Seven in 17 Fireball. The new X-Mark Pro trigger they put in them is hit or miss, to say the least. They are advertised to be adjustable between 3 and 5lbs. Mine won't come under 5lbs and is very erractic up to about 7lbs. We got his down to 2.75lbs with the adjustment screw completely removed. We've flushed them with lighter fluid as Jewel directs theirs to be flushed. Took mine to a couple of gunsmiths. They both hate the trigger. Remington now has the perfect trigger to fight lawsuits. It is epoxied together as well as bradded and won't adjust under 3lbs, in order to open it, you have to destroy it. Gonna have to buy a new trigger for a new gun. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif

I was always taught that a fluted barrel was to aid in cooling. I doubt anyone will ever shoot a predator rifle enough that it needs any aid in cooling. Only if they use it on prairie dogs town for varmints, not predators. Wonder why it's fluted, for looks maybe. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif Enlighten me if there is another reason, I'd like to know.

Don't no much about the Savage, except for feeling them in the store. Its heavy due to the barrel.
 
The main advantage of the fluting is that you get a stiffer barrel for the same weight as a barrel in a smaller diameter. That will lower the weight of the gun and change the balance more toward the rear of the rifle. That's not much of a consideration on a rifle used to shoot from one position, such as at a groundhog or prairie dog colony. But, it is a consideration if you are carrying it any distance.
 
I own them both in Ruger .204 From my very limited experince, the Savage is far superior. The Rem 7 will not shoot 40 gr bullets of any make. 40 grs in the Rem will group around 2 1/2 to 3 inches. I have worked up a 32 gr. Blitzking load that is acceptable but that is about all I can say good about the gun.

The Savage shoots anything you put through with excellent accuracy. I do not know that all Savages will does this but the point of impact of all of my various loads is roughly the same out of the P 10. In other words, for ground squirrels out to 100 yds, I can move from 32 to 40 gr bullets with different powders and not be required to adjust the scope settings. Not that I would necessarily do this, but it is interesting.

The P 10 is heavier but what good is it to pack around any firearm on yote stands if it will not hit what you shoot at?

Maybe some one has had a better experience than I with Remington products. However, Remington had their chance with me and I am moving on. The manufactures that have not let me down are Ruger, Sako, Savage, CZ and Tikka.

I do appreciate the benefits of a light varminter and am waiting for the Tikka T3 to show up in a light stainless .204.
 
Look around for the older model 7, the trigger is easily adjustable to match grade and they aren't fluted. I bet an older style could still be found NIB if you look around. I have one in 7mm08 and wouldn't trade it for the world. I think it took about 15 minutes to adjust the older trigger. That heavy barrel would be the deal breaker for me in the Savage.
 
ARCorey, my problem is that I wanted the new 17 Fireball, it is not available in the older Model Seven.

I am beginning to come to the conclusion that 35WD did. When I bought a Remington 700VLS, I had to float the barrel in order to stop it from rubbing the stock raw on one side in the forearm area. It was jacked way over. When I bought one of those cheap, no good for nothing Browning A Bolts that 2muchgun hates, I didn't have to do that to make it shoots, it already came that way. When I bought a Remington Model Seven in 223, beautiful laminated stock. I had to true the bolt face and squared the locking lugs to get it to shoot. Don't have to do that with a Savage or CZ. On all the Remingtons I normally end up having a gunsmith fix the trigger, cause it takes a man and a boy to pull it. On a CZ it comes with a set trigger (just push it forward to set it) as well as a regular pull trigger. The Brownings come with the action glass bedded.

Why doesn't Remington do some of these things to improve accuracy instead of hindering it with barrel rub, and 6-lbs of trigger pulls, actions that need aligning? Why, they are one of America's greatest companies, live up to it. Where's the quality assurance? I remember when they were dang hard to beat right out of the box, not anymore.

Okay, I need to go take my medicine now. I'll be alright. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
 
I had a savage 30.06 and was a great gun. Wish i never sold it. I was looking at only the savage and had never seen the remington until i went to cabelas last night. Im leaning on the savage because of prior experience, but the heavy barrel is a setback because my wife will probably use it during deer season and shes not comfortable with all that wieght. Never really shot the remingtons that much and did not know about them. The only i can think of is my dads 30.06 and old 721 enfield model and its sweet but did not know about newwer ones. Thaks for the help guys
 
Savage or New Remington - SAVAGE 100%

Savage or Old Remington - Savage 60/40 (Accutrigger makes the difference for me).

Good luck - the best thing you can do has already been mentioned - go handle and love on them a bit. One or the other will tickle your fancy and give you that "teenager on his first date" feeling. Then you'll know.

That's how it was with my Savage 14 classic 7mm-08. held it, felt it, rubbed it, and I fell in love. As stated above - I can load it from 120 grains to 140 grains w/out sight adjustments. Will shoot better than I can hold all day long.

You have to be happy with your decision. Not us.

RB
 
Until Remington releases the 17 Fireball caliber to the rest of the manufacturers, you are stuck with them as the only choice. The day is coming where the name isn't going to do it for them anymore. Ask Savage, they went through a period where they were next to worthless in my opinion. Sales hit the floor and they have apparently fixed their quality control and product design. The whole problem with Remington's trigger has come from their legal department. They had a great thing and "fixed it" to where nobody can stand it in the name of public safety. I think craftsmanship in firearms in general has fallen to the wayside to meet demand and price. You can look at the rifles now and see there is no longer pride in the work, it is more like a profit loss margin. The nicer rifles out there tend to be priced way above the average mans reach. I think there are a few others that are starting to slide with Remington. Usually the stock and trigger are the first places to show lack of quality, CZ is starting to not impress me here lately as well in these departments, some of their stocks look like 8th grade woodshop projects. I'm looking to get a 243 in the near future and it is getting tougher to decide which rifle I will get to start my long term build /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif.
 
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I'm looking to get a 243 in the near future and it is getting tougher to decide which rifle I will get to start my long term build /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif.



If it is going to be a build get a Remington.
 
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i never have shot one with the accutrigger is it all they say it is



And more. You just have to get used to the two stage feel of it.
 
I have a MDL 10 I would not trade for a remmington or any thing else It even has the cluncky plastic stock on it still, but it shoots MOA any time I take it out of the safe.
 
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