Savage vs. Remington
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SodakJim
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Well I have one Remington 700 and no Savages but that doesn't mean much does it? If I was going out to buy another rifle it likely would not be either one. I guess I'm no help either.
Your right, this thread is getting lame. I'm beginning to feel sorry for the guy that started it.
Your right, this thread is getting lame. I'm beginning to feel sorry for the guy that started it.
Outlawkyote
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Originally Posted By: littletoesSorry savage guys....you can but a "barrel" nut on a Remmy if you want/need too, but if you don't have too, why??
AND!!! HOW MANY HAVE YOU, WITHOUT A SMITH, YOU STILL NEED "GO=NOGO" GUAGES, AND YOU STILL HAVE TO HEAD SPACE IT.
Yep, thats right, 'ya ain't foolin' me.
Buy a Remmy, Buy ONCE.
You can put a barrel nut on a rem for sure but why? The rem doesnt have the floating bolt design which is very benificial to the accuracy of the rifle.
I have about 30 barrels setting here in various calibers and cartridges. I dont own one go-nogo gage. You telling me I cant use these other barrels?. wanna go shootin sometime?
AND!!! HOW MANY HAVE YOU, WITHOUT A SMITH, YOU STILL NEED "GO=NOGO" GUAGES, AND YOU STILL HAVE TO HEAD SPACE IT.
Yep, thats right, 'ya ain't foolin' me.
Buy a Remmy, Buy ONCE.
You can put a barrel nut on a rem for sure but why? The rem doesnt have the floating bolt design which is very benificial to the accuracy of the rifle.
I have about 30 barrels setting here in various calibers and cartridges. I dont own one go-nogo gage. You telling me I cant use these other barrels?. wanna go shootin sometime?
Outlawkyote
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They take up too much room in the gun cabinet plus the cost of 30 more $600 rifle scopes is not a desireable thought either.
chefpierre
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Originally Posted By: littletoesSorry savage guys....you can but a "barrel" nut on a Remmy if you want/need too, but if you don't have too, why??
AND!!! HOW MANY HAVE YOU, WITHOUT A SMITH, YOU STILL NEED "GO=NOGO" GUAGES, AND YOU STILL HAVE TO HEAD SPACE IT.
Yep, thats right, 'ya ain't foolin' me.
Buy a Remmy, Buy ONCE.
You dont need a go, no-go gauge. It is recomended. Take a new piece of brass full size it then use that as your gauge. Your actually headspacing the rifle to the brass and dies you will be using and guess what I dont have to pay a smith to do it for me. If your made out of money good for you. Guess what the chef works for a living. I have limited resources to put into my firearms. That is why I go with savage for now and down the road I will pick up a remmy. I already know what I am going to do to it. Hint 338 lapua on a manner t5a
AND!!! HOW MANY HAVE YOU, WITHOUT A SMITH, YOU STILL NEED "GO=NOGO" GUAGES, AND YOU STILL HAVE TO HEAD SPACE IT.
Yep, thats right, 'ya ain't foolin' me.
Buy a Remmy, Buy ONCE.
You dont need a go, no-go gauge. It is recomended. Take a new piece of brass full size it then use that as your gauge. Your actually headspacing the rifle to the brass and dies you will be using and guess what I dont have to pay a smith to do it for me. If your made out of money good for you. Guess what the chef works for a living. I have limited resources to put into my firearms. That is why I go with savage for now and down the road I will pick up a remmy. I already know what I am going to do to it. Hint 338 lapua on a manner t5a
chefpierre
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I dont see a barrel nut on the pink one do you?
dogmessiah
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Not really. If you headspace tight each time your POI does not change. I can have one rifle that I use during deer season, and another to shoot rabbits, and only switch the barrel and or bolt. I am not in a financial situation to own two badass stocks, triggers, and scopes, all of which can be pricey.This affords me the same nice aftermarket stock, the same nice aftermarket trigger, and the same nice scope for both tasks. However once I have all of that picking up a different size bolt and an AB barrel for about $200 combined I can afford.
littletoes
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[beeep] YES, I'll Go Shootin'!
Ain't affear'd neither. I'll bring any of my Remmy's too.
In fact, theres to be a Sniper Match here in May, to 1200 yards plus. Spaces are filling up fast if you want to sign up. If you'd like to see past pics, you'll be amazed at how many Remington's you'll be seeing. Might even be one Savage. We have one guy that always shoots a Savage.
Hey Chef! I think its funny as [beeep] that you own a Savage, but will buy a Remmy to build the custom!
Ain't affear'd neither. I'll bring any of my Remmy's too.
In fact, theres to be a Sniper Match here in May, to 1200 yards plus. Spaces are filling up fast if you want to sign up. If you'd like to see past pics, you'll be amazed at how many Remington's you'll be seeing. Might even be one Savage. We have one guy that always shoots a Savage.
Hey Chef! I think its funny as [beeep] that you own a Savage, but will buy a Remmy to build the custom!
Outlawkyote
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sometimes it is a hassle but look at the savings in cost went having to purchase a scope for every gun you own as opposed to just a few guns and a bunch of different barrels. For me its mostly the cost savings of my summer PD shoots. In one summer I can wear out 2 barrels just shooting PDs. Iimagine how cost effective it is to just swap out a barrel and start tuning up a rifle for the next years PD hunt as opposed to purchasing a new rifle or paying a gunsmith to rebuild the old one.
Im also a wildcat conosour. I have many barrels chambered in wildcat cartridges that arent friendly for PD hunts but awsom for coyote and deer hunting. I play with the wildcats till Im bored with them and spend a few days at a PD town with it till its melted down, throw a new barrel on and Im ready to go again. This gives me the oportunity to try all the new ideas I have at a minimal cost.
I have my dedicated rifles and actions but I also have my play actions that I swap barrels on all the time too. Im not stuck with having to swap barrels for the task when Im on the spur of the moment, I just grab ol faithful out of the gun cabinet and go. When swapping barrels, I dont have to worry about poor accuracy either. If it dont shoot, I throw the barrel away and put a more accurate one on. I dont have any factory barrels anymore either. They just dont shoot as well as custom barrels do and as we all know, only accurate rifles are interesting.
All my stocks are +400 stocks too. Cant imagine purchasing new triggers stocks and scopes every time I want to try a new caretidge. Were talking a grand just for the parafanalia that goes with a gun. Swapping barrels means I can have the high dollar scopes, triggers, trued actions,and custom fit stocks of my choice with every cartridge I own.
Plus!!!!
It gives me more time pulling the trigger as opposed to building new guns. I can machine a new high quality barrel in my choice of chamber in less than 8 hours for the cost of a barrel blank and a reamer (if i dont already have the reamer of the cartridge I want to build). Ever thought about having a 6mm06AI? Ive got the reamer and for + or - $300 I can have the cartridge ready to go shoot in 8 hours depending on weather or not I have a barrel in stock. Better yet, you can take a 6mm barrel blank, chamber it in 6mm-250 and shoot it for a while, rechamber it to 243 and shoot it for a while, rechamber it to 6mmrem, shoot it for a while and rechamber it to 6mm06AI and Then set the barrel back a half inch and rechamber it to 6mm284 and play with it for a while. Set it back again and chamber it to 6mmWSSM ? The sky is the limit. How much would a gunsmith charge you for all that work?
After all that, you can come onto forums like this and be able to give your opinion about a cartridge because you actually got experience with it instead of just repeating what someone else has said about the cartridge. Too much repeating other peoples experiences on these forums and not enough real life experiences.
Everyone seems to have an opinion about the 22-243 but I find that most of those people have never played with one before. Everyone says its a barrel burner but how many people know what is fact? I know the truth. A lot of people dont know what a burned up barrel even looks or feels like. I do.
Most people here dont even know what twist rates will stabalize what bullet without looking at the twist rate calculators. I know because Ive tried it and the calculators arent always right.
If your the kind of person that hunts 3 times a year, a couple of guns are just fine for you. If your interested is shooting, swaping barrels will reduce your cost of maintenance and open up a whole new world of intrigue.
Im also a wildcat conosour. I have many barrels chambered in wildcat cartridges that arent friendly for PD hunts but awsom for coyote and deer hunting. I play with the wildcats till Im bored with them and spend a few days at a PD town with it till its melted down, throw a new barrel on and Im ready to go again. This gives me the oportunity to try all the new ideas I have at a minimal cost.
I have my dedicated rifles and actions but I also have my play actions that I swap barrels on all the time too. Im not stuck with having to swap barrels for the task when Im on the spur of the moment, I just grab ol faithful out of the gun cabinet and go. When swapping barrels, I dont have to worry about poor accuracy either. If it dont shoot, I throw the barrel away and put a more accurate one on. I dont have any factory barrels anymore either. They just dont shoot as well as custom barrels do and as we all know, only accurate rifles are interesting.
All my stocks are +400 stocks too. Cant imagine purchasing new triggers stocks and scopes every time I want to try a new caretidge. Were talking a grand just for the parafanalia that goes with a gun. Swapping barrels means I can have the high dollar scopes, triggers, trued actions,and custom fit stocks of my choice with every cartridge I own.
Plus!!!!
It gives me more time pulling the trigger as opposed to building new guns. I can machine a new high quality barrel in my choice of chamber in less than 8 hours for the cost of a barrel blank and a reamer (if i dont already have the reamer of the cartridge I want to build). Ever thought about having a 6mm06AI? Ive got the reamer and for + or - $300 I can have the cartridge ready to go shoot in 8 hours depending on weather or not I have a barrel in stock. Better yet, you can take a 6mm barrel blank, chamber it in 6mm-250 and shoot it for a while, rechamber it to 243 and shoot it for a while, rechamber it to 6mmrem, shoot it for a while and rechamber it to 6mm06AI and Then set the barrel back a half inch and rechamber it to 6mm284 and play with it for a while. Set it back again and chamber it to 6mmWSSM ? The sky is the limit. How much would a gunsmith charge you for all that work?
After all that, you can come onto forums like this and be able to give your opinion about a cartridge because you actually got experience with it instead of just repeating what someone else has said about the cartridge. Too much repeating other peoples experiences on these forums and not enough real life experiences.
Everyone seems to have an opinion about the 22-243 but I find that most of those people have never played with one before. Everyone says its a barrel burner but how many people know what is fact? I know the truth. A lot of people dont know what a burned up barrel even looks or feels like. I do.
Most people here dont even know what twist rates will stabalize what bullet without looking at the twist rate calculators. I know because Ive tried it and the calculators arent always right.
If your the kind of person that hunts 3 times a year, a couple of guns are just fine for you. If your interested is shooting, swaping barrels will reduce your cost of maintenance and open up a whole new world of intrigue.
Outlawkyote
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Hey Chef! I think its funny as [beeep] that you own a Savage, but will buy a Remmy to build the custom!
Thats a savage too...LMAI.. Ive got a few savages that Ive machined the barrel without the use of the nut.
Thats a savage too...LMAI.. Ive got a few savages that Ive machined the barrel without the use of the nut.
littletoes
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Not arguing here, what some seem to not think of, you CAN do the same with a Remmy. And since we are talking ALL custom barrels, you CAN INDEED have a "Nut" put on a Remmy action. Sure Savage thought of it first, but you can also do the exact same thing with a Remmy.
All what you say only takes a bit of research. Anyone can check what twist is needed for what caliber.
Barrel burners are what they are, if you are "OK" with 1200 rounds of premium accuracy, or if you are just not going to be shooting the rifle much, or if you just plain have the money to do it, or just "Want" too, Go for it!
Just realize what you are getting yourself into.
That little statement rules for any rifle purchase.
But I like your statement, and have no argument!
Good Shootin'!
All what you say only takes a bit of research. Anyone can check what twist is needed for what caliber.
Barrel burners are what they are, if you are "OK" with 1200 rounds of premium accuracy, or if you are just not going to be shooting the rifle much, or if you just plain have the money to do it, or just "Want" too, Go for it!
Just realize what you are getting yourself into.
That little statement rules for any rifle purchase.
But I like your statement, and have no argument!
Good Shootin'!
Tim Neitzke
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Outlawkyote,
While you have some good points, not everyone has the equipment or time or experinece to do wht you are saying.
If I had a mill and lathe things would be diff.
While you have some good points, not everyone has the equipment or time or experinece to do wht you are saying.
If I had a mill and lathe things would be diff.
Jayhawker27
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Actually, Remington has come to realize the value of the barrel nut...they used it on the MSR...but at 10 large a copy, I'll stick with the Savage...
Outlawkyote
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Remington stil has not come to the realization of how effective the floating bolt face is too.
Outlawkyote
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Your local smith does. In fact you can mail the barrel to a smith and he can do it WITHOUT having the action in his possesion. Try having a remington (without the nut) headspaced without the action.