Shipping Question?

blopez50

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Ok so I know there are HUNDREDS of these out there and I've looked through them and cant find a direct answer so lets make it 101!

Im going to be shipping a STRIPPED lower to a gunsmith for painting. He will return it directly to me.

My question: Can I ship USPS or should I just go UPS?

Thanks
 
I don't know NM Laws, but as far as USPS goes, if it is a Rifle receiver than yes.
Do NOT mark the outside of the box with anything identifing that is a a firearm.
Declare to USPS that it is a rifle receiver.
Leave one end open until you get to USPS, they may want to inspect it before shipping.
Make sure there is no ammo in the package.
And make sure you Insure it !
 
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I shipped two stripped lowers to Specialized Dynamics via UPS. My wife acually took them to be shipped. They asked what they were and she told them stripped lowers and they had no problems shipping gun parts to a gunsmith.
 
Originally Posted By: hylanderI don't know NM Laws, but as far as USPS goes, if it is a Rifle receiver than yes.
Do NOT mark the outside of the box with anything identifing that is a a firearm.
Declare to USPS that it is a rifle receiver.
Leave one end open until you get to USPS, they may want to inspect it before shipping.
Make sure there is no ammo in the package.
And make sure you Insure it !

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Only thing I can add is the gunsmith you are shipping it to must have a FFL.
 
I shipped a fully assemble pistol back to Springfield for a trigger job via Fed Ex. They ask me what it was and I told them a pistol. Told me no ammo. Easy as that.


Springfield shipped it back to me.
 
^ The USPS refused to ship it.... I ended up having to go $14 for UPS.. o well!

Sent it and the lower off to match my new SD upper in flat dark earth! Trust me you'll be sick of my pictures showing it off!!!
 
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Originally Posted By: blopez50^ The USPS refused to ship it.... I ended up having to go $14 for UPS.. o well!

Sent it and the lower off to match my new SD upper in flat dark earth! Trust me you'll be sick of my pictures showing it off!!!

That USPS office just wasn't up their own policies.
I had one here that tried to refuse to ship a rifle until I got the manager and
had him get out their shipping manual. After showing him their policy, They gladly shipped it
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IMO, your probably better off. Got a lot better chance of it getting there. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not to fond of the post office.
 
Originally Posted By: fw707Joe Bob, that form is dated April 1994.

May be the same form, but I believe the regulations changed at one point.

Gunbroker Shipping FAQ

Quote:US Mail: An unlicensed person can ship a rifle or shotgun by US Mail. Unlicensed persons cannot ship a handgun by US Mail. Postal regulations allow the Post Office to open your package for inspection. Ammunition cannot be shipped by US Mail. You can search the US Post Office Postal Explorer site for specific USPS regulations regarding firearms and ammunition.

I might have been recalling the handgun regulation, in regards to non-licensees are unable to ship handguns via USPS. We receive pistols from one distributor USPS Priority, but most use fedex/ups 2nd day air.
 
mine tried to give me crap about sending a barrel, not a barreled action give you, just a barrel. same thing had to have them look at the big sign behind them that said no ammunition.
 
I sent a barreled action to a fellow member to have it Duracoated a few years ago. I went with UPS insured. I've talked to several people and all told me the same thing. If your package is lost or damaged, imagine taking UPS to court, then imagine taking the federal government to court. Guess which one will settle first. I don't send anything USPS that I'm not willing to lose. As far as the FFL thing, I've been told that as long as they aren't taking ownership of the gun it wasn't necessary. I sent it to be Duracoated without an FFL transfer, I sent it off to be rebarreled without an FFL transfer, and I plan to send it off to be Cerakoted this fall without an FFL transfer. Just be sure to insure for more than replacement cost.
 
LOL, All the USPS bashers. You can send long guns via USPS in an unmarked box inside state lines without an FFL. Across state lines, if ownership is changing requires an FFL to receive it. Handguns must go FFL to FFL. Also, unless there is something written on the outside of the box to indicate its content (and if your box states that it contains a gun, your package will be rejected at the intake counter), you are not required to disclose contents. In fact, with USPS, your privacy is protected so they cannot ask you for what is inside the box. They might ask you if it contains a list of different items that cannot be shipped legally by air or at all, but they won't ask you an open ended question like what is in the box.

As far as shipping something in such a way that the USPS doesn't touch it because you don't like them,... whatever. What you need to understand is that USPS, UPS, and FedEx all pack those parcels on the same planes, in the same trucks and are handled by everyone else's employees and systems every day. Each morning, a FedEx truck unloads a truckload of their parcels at our Post Office for letter carriers to deliver. Each afternoon, UPS does the same thing. It's a cost-effective arrangement for each of the three to save money so they can offer you a lower price overall.
 
I have pretty limited experience shipping guns and gun "stuff" but what ive noticed is that it is a prime example of THEORY vs REALITY.

In theory, you can ship them USPS within all the limits mentioned above.

In reality, you are at the discretion of the employees in the post office you go to. If they throw a fit (like the ones at my place did) you arent winning that argument! It was easier to just drive down the road to UPS.
 
In that case, you request a Form 4314C, Customer Complaint Form which you complete and submit for the Postmaster to follow up on. Firearms can be sent through USPS, and no, the floor employees cannot open your package just because they are suspicious of its contents. To do that requires getting the Postal Inspection Service involved and as many parcels as we handle, none of us are going to take the time unless some thing is really out of place or suspicious looking. My Postmaster - my boss - recently advised me when I was shipping three rifles out of state that belonged to a close friend to package them well, no markings to indicate contents and insure the [beeep] out of them. Beyond that, I was good to go. None of the clerks at the counter gave them so much as a second look and I wasn't queried as to the boxes' contents. Took them four days to get from KS to AK, without a scratch.

I would like to say, for the record, that I am biased as I work for the US Postal Service. Some of the ways the "company" is managed leave a few things to be desired, but I can assure you that the rank and file employees are genuinely concerned that what you send arrives at its destination in a timely manner and exactly as you last saw it when it was packaged to ship. Those packages I do see damaged in transit are ALWAYS because the sender did not take the time to properly secure the contents. For example, guns should be in a well padded hardshell case, locked, with the owner's name printed on a card inside, should something happen to the package. Also, remove the firing pin assembly or bolt and send it in a separate package in case something should happen (this applies regardless of shipper). Record serial numbers of all guns being shipped and, on the off chance that the gun comes up missing, it is useless without a bolt or firing pin assembly and in order to get one, you have to order it. Bolt guns require the serial number to order a new bolt and often, when those orders are placed, the gun is run NCIC to make sure it isn't stolen. I was told this by an Alaskan guide and, from what I've heard in follow up, it's sage advice.

When you send a gun (or anything) USPS, always insure it for its value (over $200 to get the blue INSURED label), send it Priority Mail with USPS Tracking. I can assure you that with that many bar codes, that package will get handles with tender loving care and with the new USPS Tracking Number it can be tracked from the point of origin to its destination and all points in between. If possible, send it via "REGISTERED MAIL" since that is the most secure form of mail, and far more secure than anything the other carriers offer. I once carried a canvas bag of Registered Mail that contained $110,000 to a bank for delivery. We don't do that now, but when I first started carrying mail, I handled bags of money up to three days a week If Registered Mail is lost, management goes back to its last known place and tears the place apart. Whoever lost it will be fired. Period. The point is - our jobs are on the line when we see Registered Mail and we watch them like they're our only child. Having said that, there are restrictions to how a Registered package can be wrapped and packaged so check with your local Post Office for details.

As far as package security, I am also a taxidermist and UPS is well known by guys in my business for opening packages with oversized forms, cutting them down to fit into multiple smaller packages then shipping them on. Postal employees cannot open packages. It simply does not happen.
 
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Originally Posted By: Cdog911LOL, All the USPS bashers.

Not me.

I have a small country PO and a postmaster that's as sharp as they come.
I shipped an AR-15 lower last week.

I wish their insurance wasn't so expensive though.
 


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