Shoulder bump question (added some more info)

Originally Posted By: GLShooterOriginally Posted By: B23Originally Posted By: GLShooter
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This same place, Innovative Technologies, has a headspace gauge that may be easier for you to use and will eliminate the need for so many different inserts.

That's a neat unit. A bit slow but I like the universal approach.

Greg

I really like that unit. For $100 you're done with no other stuff to buy. Thanks for pointing that out guys! I may have to try it out.
 
Originally Posted By: GLShooter
That's a neat unit. A bit slow but I like the universal approach.
Greg

Well, kind of yes and no. I've got one as well as Sinclair inserts and for measuring headspace/shoulder bump, I like the Innovative Tech. dig. tool better but for measuring bullets, inserts and a caliper are much faster.
 
Originally Posted By: B23Originally Posted By: GLShooter
That's a neat unit. A bit slow but I like the universal approach.
Greg

Well, kind of yes and no. I've got one as well as Sinclair inserts and for measuring headspace/shoulder bump, I like the Innovative Tech. dig. tool better but for measuring bullets, inserts and a caliper are much faster.

That's why I said it was a bit slow. I have the Hornady rig and it has done great for me. I even had a custom insert done for the SOCOM.

Greg
 
I've had a couple that were the same way, they didn't make gauges for them so I would have had to go custom made inserts which helped steer me to the Innovative Tech. unit and, as you can see by looking at it, it has a pretty wide range that it'll cover.
 
Originally Posted By: B23I've had a couple that were the same way, they didn't make gauges for them so I would have had to go custom made inserts which helped steer me to the Innovative Tech. unit and, as you can see by looking at it, it has a pretty wide range that it'll cover.

Actually a cartridge case inverted will usually suffice in a pinch. Lucky for me I know a guy that likes little projects.

Greg
 
Not to start a war or denies that the more tools you have is better or disputing any of the remarks and comments given in this post but.......there have been over 600 people either looking or commenting or both. Of that 600+, how many actually have these tools and use them in their loading? I would bet the percentage is very low. I'm not saying we shouldn't all have them and use them, just wonder how many really do.
 
I have no idea what you guys are even talking about
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I dont know, but you can add 1 more. I am waiting on the hornady kits right now. I think it will help out. That 35 remington brass in that contender may last longer. If it does it will be worth the price. Brass is hard to find and loaded ammo is too around here. Besides, how many other gadgets do we have as gun nuts that we rarely use. Sure are nice to have when you need it though.
 
Sounds to me like someone who doesn't use them is in your ear ........

But anyway, I have the Hornady kit, and RCBS precision mics for 4 different calibers.
 
Originally Posted By: HidalgoSounds to me like someone who doesn't use them is in your ear ........

But anyway, I have the Hornady kit, and RCBS precision mics for 4 different calibers.

I really like the RCBS mics for a last check on my match ammo. I think I have seven or eight of them in various flavors. When I started this fun and games that's all that existed.

Greg
 
Originally Posted By: GLShooterOriginally Posted By: ninehorsesBelted magnums sometimes require a special die to deal with the belt or the area just in front of. When the OP said Encore, alarm bells went off. Break open actions can create special problems. I'm remembering a long ago post about this very subject. Does anyone remember the guy that made these special dies?

I have one that works that was mentioned earlier.
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On "cam over" I don't. I just adjust to size without the extra effort. If the shoulders don't set back enough when making good contact with the shell holder I grind about 0.010 off the top of the SH. Much easier than doing the die and if I ruin it I'm only out $8.00.



Geg

GREAT ADVISE!!!!

Take .003 off the top of your shell holder with a grinder of sorts

Also, for shoulder bumping, the standard Forester neck sizing die will bump shoulders. No fancy die needed for bumping shoulders until you get into bushings. Several die makers make a neck sizing die with the shoulder angle cut into the bushing used specifically for bumping the shoulder back a tad on each firing if that is your desire.

The last Remington 25//06 that I had, I bumped the shoulders with a Forester neck sizer and NEVER had to full length size! I got 12-15 firings on Winchester brass till they split! I was shooting some very hot loads with R#17, fed 215, 100g Speer BT at 3400 fps, unreal accuracy. Learning to bump shoulders and how much you are bumping is simple advanced reloading, nothing to it.

Now, if we had a company that made a set of carbide sizers for the web of the case in various dimensions to allow for spring back, we would really have the cat's meow!!! I used to use a 41 magnum carbide sizer to size the bases of 6 PPC brass without bumping the shoulders back, and the brass would last 100 sizings or more.

Quite a few full length sizers will push the shoulder back from .006-.012 before it fully sizes the web of the case...this KILLS brass life!!!
 
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Originally Posted By: ackleyman
Now, if we had a company that made a set of carbide sizers for the web of the case in various dimensions to allow for spring back, we would really have the cat's meow!!!

You ornery old fart ....... you're a typical reloader: Never satisfied!
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Originally Posted By: sandy hicksI just knowed id lern sumthin. Ya'll keep talking and I will sit and listen.

I learn something every time I log on here and hope to continue doing so. Tons of experience and intelligence floating around this place.
 
Very eye opening. I have always made functional ammo but now I am going to start making the good stuff. Or at least trying to. Thanks guys.
 
Those are some neat tools that I just never bothered looking into buying. I may have to.

But...to say that one cannot load safe ammo, with outstanding brass life, without them is not true. I've always done it the hard way, setting the resizing die for a rifle by trial and error, continually setting the die down 1/8 turn or so at a time until cases just chamber and extract easily and no more. In 10s of thousands of rounds I can't recall having a head separation before the brass failed some other way, primer pockets or neck splits. Probably have but must have been long ago.

Now let me add I realize there are sure to be accuracy benefits of such precision measuring, and comparing most of my groups to those of Greg's and the other outstanding loaders and shooters on here seem to bear that out. You've definately given everyone something to think about, thank you.
 
Originally Posted By: 204 ARThose are some neat tools that I just never bothered looking into buying. I may have to.

But...to say that one cannot load safe ammo, with outstanding brass life, without them is not true. I've always done it the hard way, setting the resizing die for a rifle by trial and error, continually setting the die down 1/8 turn or so at a time until cases just chamber and extract easily and no more. In 10s of thousands of rounds I can't recall having a head separation before the brass failed some other way, primer pockets or neck splits. Probably have but must have been long ago.

Now let me add I realize there are sure to be accuracy benefits of such precision measuring, and comparing most of my groups to those of Greg's and the other outstanding loaders and shooters on here seem to bear that out. You've definately given everyone something to think about, thank you.

I agree completely. You can do it all by fitting to your chambers as you suggest. I do it on wildcats all the time with no data. The gages just let me set up more quickly and consistently. I can make a gage with the proper sized case in about five seconds but I like gadgets.

Even the distance to lands can be done with a little effort snd patience. Adjusting depths is time consuming but with practice doable.

Greg
 
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